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    I have studied ethics for a minor, and i'm wondering something about the future of the privacylaws.

    About ten years ago, people who had all information of the internet available were sort of rare. Nowadays everybody is posting everything about themselves, without care for who can see into them. Or even if they lend rights, they do not exactly know who is actually receiving their rights. How will law and justice ever coop with this. As everybody has a right to all "public" information. But everybody is also inclined to have a private life. What will be legal in the coming years? How would you guys solve this situation?

    I'll put this into some easier to answer questions.

    - What actions should the public take to keep their private life actually private?

    - What are the responsibilities of keeping this information by the holders of the servers of facebook, twitter, etc.

    - How far would we have to restrict laws to keep things fair?

    - What would be concidered public knowledge, and what would be concidered to be border cases, and what are private data?

    - Maybe any personal imput .


    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    if you want absolute privacy
    you will never find it (even a hermit living in a cave will have the occasional passerby poking his(her) nose in)
    ..............
    anecdote:

    long ago and far away(site R) the NSA moved into the facility intent on tapping every phone on the east coast
    in their quest to ferret out spies, traitors, and other enemies du jour
    installing hundreds of "smart" recording machines that would flag and save conversations with certain key words
    in 1 day they gathered more information than they could process in a year
    and more of them came
    and still, the backlog of information kept growing exponentially
    valiantly they struggled, trying to find that rare conversation that could further their goals
    and they went into 12/12 shifts
    and still, the backlog of information kept increasing exponentially
    untill
    finally
    they just gave up went home
    and abandoned their equiptment ...
    later,
    pulling routine maintenance, i chanced to wander into their abandoned space, lit by the occasional wall light
    a huge semi-dark cavern of long row upon rows of silent machines vanishing in the distant gloom
    ....................
    the state is a living organism that has a survival imperative
    it will always want to overcome privacy for it's own survival
    many of it's servants often have an ethical imperative that hinges on supreme loyalty to the state
    and not
    to the citizens of that state
    ..........................
    is a soldier who would kill anyone anytime following the orders of his superiors an ethical man?

    ((shakespear's Henry V act 4 scene 1...bates..."Ay, or more than we should seek after; for we know
    enough, if we know we are the kings subjects: if
    his cause be wrong, our obedience to the king wipes
    the crime of it out of us. "))
    .............
    but i don't worry too much about things over which i have no control


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    Laws of Privacy protect the idea of Law itself, right? (pause)

    Is this what you seek? Laws unbreakable, Laws that are as clear as to be as so clear as to be completely transparent?
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    I mean more something like, what do we have to do, to make our own privacy safe, and make it illegal to use data unjustfull. As most data will simply be handled, and nobody even looks down on it right now.
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    I mean more something like, what do we have to do, to make our own privacy safe, and make it illegal to use data unjustfull. As most data will simply be handled, and nobody even looks down on it right now.

    It seems many of your questions are involving the internet, and computer online areas.

    But the internet is a new technology, and law enforcement on the internet, is just starting to develop.

    I personally believe, that when online law enforcement is fully developed, it will mirror, and be the same, as the laws of the streets.


    But I believe this is a very important subject.
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    If you want privacy, keep off forums, facebook and twitter. In the UK, the Police waste massive amounts of man hours, investigating petty spats between the users of facebook and of course twitter. On line law enforcement is a joke, right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    If you want privacy, keep off forums, facebook and twitter. In the UK, the Police waste massive amounts of man hours, investigating petty spats between the users of facebook and of course twitter. On line law enforcement is a joke, right ?


    I meant online law enforcement to stop outright criminals. Like those who steal peoples credit card #'s online, or those that post/give-away copyrighted material. Online theft of money and copyrighted material, is a very big deal money wise.

    The FBI and other agencies are just starting to go after these criminals. The FBI recently started, the Internet Crime Complaint Center, or IC3, a partnership of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center.

    And I just realized this, we also need online law enforcement to stop terrorists and others, who try to damage the internet with computer viruses. Today the internet carries the information for much of modern life, like business communication and banking communication.

    I believe one day online law enforcement will protect the internet, just as law enforcement today, protect citizens, businesses, and banking.
    Or let me reword that, I (know) online law enforcement will one day fully protect, business and banking.
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    i wish people wouldn't quote shakespeare as though to say;
    "well this is what God had to say about it in 2 12 39 henry versus the parables of yore
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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Wilson View Post
    If you want privacy, keep off forums, facebook and twitter. In the UK, the Police waste massive amounts of man hours, investigating petty spats between the users of facebook and of course twitter. On line law enforcement is a joke, right ?


    I meant online law enforcement to stop outright criminals. Like those who steal peoples credit card #'s online, or those that post/give-away copyrighted material. Online theft of money and copyrighted material, is a very big deal money wise.

    The FBI and other agencies are just starting to go after these criminals. The FBI recently started, the Internet Crime Complaint Center, or IC3, a partnership of the FBI and the National White Collar Crime Center.

    And I just realized this, we also need online law enforcement to stop terrorists and others, who try to damage the internet with computer viruses. Today the internet carries the information for much of modern life, like business communication and banking communication.

    I believe one day online law enforcement will protect the internet, just as law enforcement today, protect citizens, businesses, and banking.
    Or let me reword that, I (know) online law enforcement will one day fully protect, business and banking.
    OK Dude, point taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    I mean more something like, what do we have to do, to make our own privacy safe, and make it illegal to use data unjustfull. As most data will simply be handled, and nobody even looks down on it right now.
    Make a law so that any data shared between an individual and company is to be kept between the individual and company unless consent to share has been given. you could call it ' the comercial data privacy act 2012'
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