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    Hard not to notice the remarkable chess game playing out this week.

    VP does opening move about gay marraige last week

    The President comes out in strong support a few days later just as a story about Romney being a bullying gay-basher in High School hits the tabloods.

    Rather amazing brinkmenship. We'll see how it plays out in the next few months.

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    Personally I strongly support gay-marraige and think that expansion of civil rights is inevitable. My own views changed about ten years ago, even when as a commander I had to continue to support bigoted policies that forced extrodianary young men and women serving in uniform to live a lie or forfeit their selfless carreers to protect our nation.


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    Yes, that is quite a coinky-dinky.


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    Do people in the US really want to hear all this, here in the UK it's only really the economy and jobs that anyone cares about. I can't really understand why anyone in america would vote for anyone but Obama, but then I guess here in the rest of the most people still see him as their saviour. I hope Obama stays president, I think he's good for the US image in the world and Romney would just be another Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrisgorlitz View Post
    Do people in the US really want to hear all this, here in the UK it's only really the economy and jobs that anyone cares about.
    No, but there is no economic news that would help Obama. Therefore we will hear about gay marriage.
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    Social issues voters aren't the majority but still a sizeable chunk of the electorate in the US.
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    and here,
    i thought
    we in the USA were living in a corporate-ocracy, money-ocracy, media-ocracy
    only fools think it's a democracy, and it is becoming a pale shadow of a republic
    but then again
    i could be wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    Social issues voters aren't the majority but still a sizeable chunk of the electorate in the US.
    I think they are important e.g gay rights, but I think the difference is most of the UK's major political parties have the same veiws and policies on many social issues especially gay rights. Even our slightly right wing government seems to have much more liberal veiws than the republicans in america.

    Is this because of the religious issues that the republicans always seem so right wing?, e.g. abortion, gay marriage ect.. , because in the UK most us have just accepted things like this as part of our social evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    we in the USA were living in a corporate-ocracy, money-ocracy, media-ocracy
    only fools think it's a democracy, and it is becoming a pale shadow of a republic
    but then again
    i could be wrong
    You might not be wrong, but might have a distorted view of our past. Despite some of the ridiculous revisionism and rose colored view of America, it was founded by the wealthy for the wealthy combined with interest in common rights for the common man. It has never been a democracy..nor envisioned to be one. It it a republic that's to some degree has lost touch with, and seriuosly blurred, the intended roles of states and federal government. Both parties have badly wrong...the democrats who continue to insist the federal programs are always the best solution and need to interface directly with individuals--completely ignoring the tremendous inefficiencies inherent in such an approach; the republicans ignoring that since 1865 the federal government has been strongly responsible for protecting individual rights--regardless of the tyranny of bigots and religious nut cases at lower levels of government. That's my take...and I might be wrong.
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    Both parties have badly wrong...the democrats who continue to insist the federal programs are always the best solution and need to interface directly with individuals--
    There are no such Democrats.
    the republicans ignoring that since 1865 the federal government has been strongly responsible for protecting individual rights--
    Far from ignoring that, they have made it a central issue and major complaint - that issue turns out to have been a key and significant vote getter for the wealthy who want their tax rates lowered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox View Post
    ... since 1865 the federal government has been strongly responsible for protecting individual rights--regardless of the tyranny of bigots and religious nut cases at lower levels of government. That's my take...and I might be wrong.
    I have lived rural, in small towns and in a major city-------and in my experience, the levels of cronyism and corruption are much higher in small towns----

    long ago, the peasants looked to the king to protect them from the local gentry---or fled to cities (in an attempt to live civilized lives free of tyranny)

    c'est le vie?
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    From within it probably doesnt look like the circus side show it looks like to me, but from my point of view the gay marriage sounds like an artificial wedge red herring (while other issues are conveniently left off the radar). There's no 3rd party on the circus side show "stage".
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    There are no effective 3rd parties in the US. The few which exist, have no political power and usually just end up being spoiler during presidential elections when they take votes from viable candidates. As for the LGBT vote, there is no real 3rd party so it comes down to a political calculus of who more galvanized the younger Dems who might have come out to vote in support of LGBT rights, or the religious right who'll come out and defeat it. So far, in State elections, the Religious right has been way more effective at defeating gay-marriage bills.
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