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Thread: Do you approve of Barack Obama performance as president?

  1. #1 Do you approve of Barack Obama performance as president? 
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    Personally, no.


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    deffinately not our best president. but when you look at the options:

    obama, promised change but lacked experience.

    Hilary, promised to bring Bill in as the first man

    McCain, probably would have croaked from the pressure of rebuilding the bush-fucked economy. then we would have had palin(a creationist with no knowledge of foreign policy and who was involved in serious corruption problems) as president, i would have swam to europe.

    so, essentially we didn't have many good choices. obama has failed splendidly at fixing the economy, but it isn't any worse off than it was when he got it... yet. and he is ending the combat mission in Iraq (finally). although his other foreign policy actions aren't quite as civilized.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saul
    and he is ending the combat mission in Iraq (finally).
    The president didn't end Iraq. The withdrawals were based on a treaty signed by Bush and al-Maliki. No matter who was president, whether it was Palin, McCain, Clinton, etc. , it still would've happen
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    how f*ucking stupid do you have to be to think that a multi-billion dollar healthcare bill is going to fix the economy?

    If you owe a sh*t load of money to the Chinese you don't sign a bill which means that we are buy even more medical supplies from them.
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    It's hard to argue with logic like the above. No... seriously... It really is. You've obviously chosen to use emotion and ignorance as your debating tool instead of understanding and numbers.


    Here. Start here. Go learn something.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...rm_bend_t.html
    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...he-curve-bent/
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/15/bu...al/15yuan.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by mobc
    how f*ucking stupid do you have to be to think that a multi-billion dollar healthcare bill is going to fix the economy?
    The healthcare bill was to fix healthcare, not the economy.
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    After I voted, I saw 45% people agreed with me, then I notice that's just 5 people's votes....wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by JX
    Quote Originally Posted by mobc
    how f*ucking stupid do you have to be to think that a multi-billion dollar healthcare bill is going to fix the economy?
    The healthcare bill was to fix healthcare, not the economy.
    Obama claimed that getting health care costs under control would help the economy. Also, the CBO calculated that the health care bill would be budget neutral, or reduce the deficit. What they didn't tell you was that your premiums are going up to pay for the mandates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    What they didn't tell you was that your premiums are going up to pay for the mandates.
    And what YOU'RE not telling people is that your premiums were going up anyway, nor are you telling people how the rate at which these premiums are rising is lower under the new legislation than it would have been without it, or that almost 35 MILLION more people will have coverage now at almost no cost to the rest of us.


    JX was right, anyway. Nobody claimed healthcare would "fix the economy," so that was just a stupid thing to say.



    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...ial13_ST_N.htm
    For anyone concerned about rising health costs and their effect on the economy, consider this grim new projection: By 2019, the nation’s health care bill will have surged to $4.6 trillion, or nearly 20 cents of every dollar spent in America. That comes to $13,652 per person, up from $8,389 last year.

    Outraged that you’ll be paying nearly two-thirds more than you do now? Ready to demand repeal of the reform law passed early this year?

    Think again. The estimate, from the actuarial department at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, actually amounts to a kind of tacit endorsement of the measure. That’s because the new law would have virtually no effect on the upward trajectory of health care spending, while bringing insurance coverage to an additional 32.5 million people and ending the worst insurance company abuses.

    Put another way, the controversial reform measure has enough cost controls to deliver protections to more Americans for roughly the same money as would have been spent otherwise…

    Many Republicans have decided to blame any and all insurance premium increases on what they call ObamaCare, even though premiums have been rising for years. And they see a repeal-the-bill approach as a winner on the campaign trail…But repeal is a non-starter as long as Obama is president and, as the study shows, it would do nothing to change the cost trajectory…

    The answer to soaring costs is not to go backward and undo the benefits of health care reform, but to move on to its unfinished business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    the rate at which these premiums are rising is lower under the new legislation than it would have been without it, or that almost 35 MILLION more people will have coverage now at almost no cost to the rest of us.
    In the world of economics, you can prove whatever you want. You just have to make the right assumptions. This doesn't pass the common sense test, as far as I'm concerned.
    JX was right, anyway. Nobody claimed healthcare would "fix the economy," so that was just a stupid thing to say.
    During the health care debate, somebody asked Obama why he was concentrating on health care instead of the economy. He said the health care bill was part of fixing the economy because we needed to get the cost of health care under control because it was dragging down the economy. I don't have an exact quote, but I distinctly remember watching him say that on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    the rate at which these premiums are rising is lower under the new legislation than it would have been without it, or that almost 35 MILLION more people will have coverage now at almost no cost to the rest of us.
    In the world of economics, you can prove whatever you want.
    So, basically instead of showing where my point is flawed, or showing numbers of your own, you're content to poison the well against the entire field of economics. Uhmm... Okay.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    You just have to make the right assumptions. This doesn't pass the common sense test, as far as I'm concerned.
    And then you immediately follow using an appeal to incredulity. Again... Uhmm... Okay.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    JX was right, anyway. Nobody claimed healthcare would "fix the economy," so that was just a stupid thing to say.
    During the health care debate, somebody asked Obama why he was concentrating on health care instead of the economy. He said the health care bill was part of fixing the economy because we needed to get the cost of health care under control because it was dragging down the economy. I don't have an exact quote, but I distinctly remember watching him say that on TV.
    And I don't negate that fact. Yes, fixing healthcare would play a role in helping to cover more people while addressing costs, and consequently the economy.

    JX's point remains valid, however, and the healthcare bill was intended to (start to) fix healthcare, not the economy. While there is a great deal of overlap in impact, lambasting the healthcare bill for not fixing the economy is silly since our economic issues extend far beyond healthcare alone.


    I'll share the quote which prompted this again below for reference:

    Quote Originally Posted by mobc
    how f*ucking stupid do you have to be to think that a multi-billion dollar healthcare bill is going to fix the economy?
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    Uncovered people are an economic nightmare. They will still show up in exactly the same numbers with exactly the same number of health problems with or without mandates. The difference is that without mandates, they will show up in the emergency room after its already too late for any preventative proceedures to be done, and they suddenly need expensive emergency proceedures instead. (Because the emergency room is the only place where they can't be turned away for lack of coverage.)

    The cost of health care is a straight up physical problem, not a financial one. Resources and expertise cost the economy exactly the same amount no matter how you bill it, or who you bill it to. If you want to cut down its cost, you have to physically expend fewer physical resources. You do that by getting everyone preventative care.



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    Quote Originally Posted by saul
    and he is ending the combat mission in Iraq (finally).
    The president didn't end Iraq. The withdrawals were based on a treaty signed by Bush and al-Maliki. No matter who was president, whether it was Palin, McCain, Clinton, etc. , it still would've happen
    Well at least he chose to honor that treaty. I'm not so sure all the others necessarily would have.
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    The web is a wonderful resource for finding what Mr. Obama has accomplished since becoming the US president. Regardless of what you think of any individual item, there are enough on this list that surely anybody would find a few to cheer about. Ex: #71.

    1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
    2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
    3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
    4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
    5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
    6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
    7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier’s family
    8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
    9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
    10. Limits on lobbyist’s access to the White House
    11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
    12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
    13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
    14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
    16. New federal funding for science and research labs
    17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
    18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    20. New funds for school construction
    21. The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
    22. US Auto industry rescue plan
    23. Housing rescue plan
    24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
    26. US financial and banking rescue plan
    27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
    28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
    29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
    30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
    31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
    32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
    33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
    34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
    35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
    36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
    37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
    38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
    39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
    40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
    42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba , allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
    43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
    44. Expanding vaccination programs
    45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
    46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
    47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
    49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices
    50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
    51. Lower drug costs for seniors
    52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
    53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
    54. Improved housing for military personnel
    55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
    56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
    57. Increasing student loans
    58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
    59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
    60. Established a new cyber security office
    61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
    62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
    63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
    64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
    65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
    66. Improving benefits for veterans
    67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
    68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
    69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
    70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
    71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
    72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
    73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
    74. Making more loans available to small businesses
    75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
    76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
    77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
    78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
    79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
    81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
    82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
    83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
    84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
    85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
    86. Held first Seder in White House
    87. Attempting to reform the nation’s healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
    88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
    89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
    90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
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    Regarding No. 71, here's the press release issued a few days ago to announce the formalization of this policy, and the order, issued by the Dept. of the Interior. Section 5 of the Order states the principles.

    http://www.doi.gov/news/pressrelease...ion-Making.cfm

    http://www.doi.gov/news/pressrelease...e&PageID=45590
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