Cleaning out a rogue network?

Lets say that a network of rogue/traitor/compomised by corporation-foreign gov-dr.evil/moles are suspected of commiting serious crimes against the american people but that this network controls key positions at the top of the hiearchy of the FBI/CIA/blackops/military...? How can this network be rooted out if they control the very agencies that should root them out, and how could security be assured for a proscecutor that might be the target of assasination by highly trained and dangerous assassins/military/etc which might be even part of the security detail?

I guess Ill have to watch mutiny on the bounty or the caine mutiny or something

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Originally Posted by icewendigo

Lets say that a network of rogue/traitor/compomised by corporation-foreign gov-dr.evil/moles are suspected of commiting serious crimes against the american people but that this network controls key positions at the top of the hiearchy of the FBI/CIA/blackops/military...? How can this network be rooted out if they control the very agencies that should root them out, and how could security be assured for a proscecutor that might be the target of assasination by highly trained and dangerous assassins/military/etc which might be even part of the security detail?

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You know, a good place to discuss this would be if we were talking about another country like Ukraine (or maybe Russia) where the government basically is run by the mafia. Almost any major government official has to be owned by them in order to climb to a position of power, or at least concede something.

You're not going to get anywhere through official channels, because they're all a sham anyway. The laws only apply to non-mafia. I think the only way you're going to beat them is by playing their own game better than they do. What you need is a second shadow network.

Right now, the mafia can assassinate, but they themselves are virtually immune to assassination by outsiders. (They may assassinate one another from time to time, but not in a way that endangers the enterprise as a whole.) Their whole system works on the basis of being immune to retaliation. So I'm wondering:what if you were to revoke that immunity? Take their own fight back to them? Give them their own medicine? I don't think they'd be so brave anymore.

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I guess Ill have to watch mutiny on the bounty or the caine mutiny or something

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The Caine Mutiny was carried out by the officers, not the enlisted folk, so it might or might not square with what you're talking about. Hard to say.

I don't think you intended to imply but some do feel this now going on and with in the Amercan Government. It should be a little more obvious today, with a second level of the Executive (Zcars) in control of many departments, an obvious Attorney General, making decsions in lock step with the President, action/decision by the SCOTUS and the overwhelming desire to place the US into debt that could never be paid, but this ingrimental process has been going on, for 45 years.

It's called apathy or the acceptance of a known end result (agenda), even if you disagree with that probable end result, be it to maintain a paycheck or any selfish reason. Each department of Government has far too many people, not to be occasionally challenged, where today that only challenge are leaked materials, in most cases falling of deaf ears of the media, then the public (people) who pay for that government ignoring their own feelings in hopes they may cash in or are cashing in on what is usually a misreading of the actual agenda.

If your objective was directed strickly at the Military, Covert Actions or non domestic, then there is an explaination. Leaders of the near 200 Nations are not all good folks, with any desire to further a World community, rather themself or if somewhat honest leaders, their own people. Like it not, there are more that would rather see the US fail in total, despite what it would mean to themselves or their people. The majority of what goes on, behind the scenes to keep these elements in some form of restaint has or will never be known . All those involved are well aware, if it becomes known, THEY will pay the price, many have....while the rest go on doing what I and some others, feel should be done.

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Originally Posted by jackson33

I don't think you intended to imply but some do feel this now going on and with in the Amercan Government. It should be a little more obvious today, with a second level of the Executive (Zcars) in control of many departments, an obvious Attorney General, making decsions in lock step with the President, action/decision by the SCOTUS and the overwhelming desire to place the US into debt that could never be paid, but this ingrimental process has been going on, for 45 years

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I like what you say about the attorney general walking in lock step. There's one person who is probably not afraid anyone below them is going to arrest or prosecute them.

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It's called apathy or the acceptance of a known end result (agenda), even if you disagree with that probable end result, be it to maintain a paycheck or any selfish reason. Each department of Government has far too many people, not to be occasionally challenged, where today that only challenge are leaked materials, in most cases falling of deaf ears of the media, then the public (people) who pay for that government ignoring their own feelings in hopes they may cash in or are cashing in on what is usually a misreading of the actual agenda.

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Yeah, I think in bad economic conditions, the people within a department are more afraid of getting fired than their boss is of looking bad if his department decides to give him a vote of no confidence. So, if you want to end corruption, then you've got to win over the people with guns first. They can do more than just stand around and act upset. If his boss actually commits a crime, then a low level police officer can arrest a high level police officer.

I think historically, for all the bad attention it gets in movies, the tradition of lynching by the populace has done more to keep our government in check than any other force. There's always got to be that threat that the citizens will take matters into their own hands. Then there's absolutely no safe place for a criminal to position themselves.

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The majority of what goes on, behind the scenes to keep these elements in some form of restaint has or will never be known

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This makes me think of the B52 incident where airforce personel/officers apparently with links to Israel tried to steal nukes(I hope they didnt want to make a nuclear false-flag on a US/NATO city and try to blame iran or something), the attempt failled apparently(not sure if 100% of nukes were really recovered) and many individuals from the base involved quickly perished in various accidents or mysterious circumstances in the following days.

Who perished and which faction killed them? Is it rogue/israeli-mole/foreign agents that killed military personel that twarted the attempt, rogue/israeli/foreign agents that killed anyone envolved or that knew or could identify them, or was it an unofficial purge by the default/official military to eliminate moles instead of a court marshal process?

I'm not convinced that all secret societies are bad. There is good reason to believe that the American revolutionary war might have failed without the participation of the Stone Masons.

I'm not sure what your source is on people dying after the B-52 incident. I've been reading up on it since you mentioned it.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/0...r_B52_070904w/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/militar...-05-b-52_N.htm

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/1...al-b-52-flight

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...T2007092300048


Very interesting reads. I don't know why you suspect Mossad specifically. Most of the pro-conspiracy articles seem to suggest that it was meant as sabre rattling, making it look like we had intended to send them to the middle east to use on Iran, perhaps for an attack concurrent with the one Israel was doing on a plant in Syria.

Of course, another plausible explanation is that soldiers really hate being stationed in North Dakota, and avoid going outside anytime they can, cause it's friggin' cold there. I've heard stories of soldiers getting their asses frozen to toilet seats at that base. If they were getting too many warheads to handle, and given short time frames to handle them in, I could see cutting some corners here and there.