Thread: How do you think about the things happened 7.5 in Xinjiang

How do you think about the things happened 7.5 in Xinjiang, China?
First of all, be nice.
Wish we can find truth but not conflict.
To avoid misunderstanding, I tell you that I am Chinese, and Han.

By the way, this website has some topic about this.http://www.anti-cnn.com/ You may need to have the ability of Chinese reading to browse this site.
I my eyes, not everything on this site is true. But just another source of voice. Try listen to it.

Honestly, my (Canadian) government is so rabidly anti-China I was waiting for their statements, and then I'd apply opposite spin to see the true picture. However Canadian officials are at a loss to comment on this one. It doesn't fit their spin machine. I guess China government can't be made the "bad guy" here, so no comment? What's happening?

I doubt if many of us know enough to really comment on the rights and wrongs in this situation. Ethnic violence within a communist country; alleged al-Qaeda connections; a government with a history of violent repression; a Chinese government that certainly is skilled at controlling information – it all adds up to a very confused picture.

What is your take on it?

What's happening?

Really? Surprised!

Here are some links,
CNN http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as...est/index.html

BCC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8135203.stm

Xinhua(China) http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_11663760.htm

Have a look & judge by yourself.

I doubt if many of us know enough to really comment on the rights and wrongs in this situation. Ethnic violence within a communist country; alleged al-Qaeda connections; a government with a history of violent repression; a Chinese government that certainly is skilled at controlling information – it all adds up to a very confused picture.

What is your take on it?

I support the gov.
Why? Some Uyghurs murdered innocent people, both Uyghur and Han.
Any reasonable cause now? None!
I support gov not because I'm Han. If some Hans kill Uyghur, I will also support the law to judge them.
They said they want to build their own Turkic country, a Turkestan.
Look back to history, why they call themselves Uyghur?
What is the relationship between Uyghur and Turkic?
I wish you find out the answers yourself. Then you'll know some of the truth.

And about some words of Bunbury's comment.
"violent repression"
If you mean "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution" --True.
If you mean "6.4.1986" --Maybe True.
If you mean "7.5.2009" --Maybe you're wrong.
I wanna to ask you which country never use "violent repression"? Why they choose that method?

"alleged al-Qaeda connections"
No information from the gov nor non-gov channel mentioned about this for now.

And about some words of Bunbury's comment.
"violent repression"
If you mean "Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution" --True.
If you mean "6.4.1986" --Maybe True.
If you mean "7.5.2009" --Maybe you're wrong.

Maybe I am wrong. It's hard to know the truth when the media are controlled by the government. How are things in Tibet, by the way:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...voloution.html

"alleged al-Qaeda connections"
No information from the gov nor non-gov channel mentioned about this for now.

It's been mentioned a lot for some time now. For example:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...827940309.html

It's been mentioned a lot for some time now. For example:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/as...827940309.html

Two days ago. The al-Qaeda connections was first mentioned in China.
One of al-Qaeda military organization claimed they will launch a jihad in Xinjiang.

But I'm sure the link you gave here is something fake.
There are two pictures. Both were told to be Uighurs.
But the first one is the picture of another nationality in China, so called Hui.
Their different is the cap they wear. Of cause their looks are different, too.
I can not believe one news without verifying.

Originally Posted by wangwy13

But I'm sure the link you gave here is something fake.

Quite possibly, but the point is that an al Qaeda link has been mentioned frequently for some years in many media outlets. Perhaps they were planted by the Chinese government to justify repression. How are we supposed to know?

"repression" is really a complicate word.
China is a country of "people's democratic dictatorship".
Sincerely, I quite agree to "repression" terrorists and not to "repression" most people.
And I think both rioters in Tibet and Xinjiang are terrorists.
In 1997, when Xinjiang suffered a similarly event, some Uighurs got into Xinjiang from foreign country. They claimed that "kill the Hans, vanish the Huis, make the Kazak to be slaves".
"kill the Hans"--something reasonable, Han and Uighur once had many conflicts in the modern history. "vanish the Huis, make the Kazak to be slaves"--extremely strange, all Hui, Uighur and Kazak are Moslem. They should live like brothers. I can only consider this as terrorism.
Uighurs get a lot of privileges in China. In my college, there are about hundreds of Uighurs. While they can eat beef everyday, I need to eat vegetables and about two times a week to eat beef because they get more study aid than me. Let alone they can get into college by a less score. I can not image that all the things that I consider as terrorism, you consider as repression, were caused by policy toward ethnic minorities.
By the way, I can easily tell Uighur from Hui because my hometown was once a important harbor entrance. I saw different people of different nationality when I was young.

It's hard to imagine such primitive cultures living inside one's borders. Even harder to imagine having to be the government of a country that has to deal with those primitive cultures.

It's hard to imagine such primitive cultures living inside one's borders. Even harder to imagine having to be the government of a country that has to deal with those primitive cultures.

Originally Posted by wangwy13

In 1997, when Xinjiang suffered a similarly event, some Uighurs got into Xinjiang from foreign country. They claimed that "kill the Hans, vanish the Huis, make the Kazak to be slaves".
"kill the Hans"--something reasonable, Han and Uighur once had many conflicts in the modern history. "vanish the Huis, make the Kazak to be slaves"--extremely strange, all Hui, Uighur and Kazak are Moslem. They should live like brothers. I can only consider this as terrorism.

One great privilege of living in the USA is not having to deal very much with cultural traditions that date back more than a few centuries.

Originally Posted by kojax

It's hard to imagine such primitive cultures living inside one's borders. Even harder to imagine having to be the government of a country that has to deal with those primitive cultures.

You've had a taste, with the Jehovah's Witness refusal of blood transfusion. What happens when JW family fights the state about their child or coma grandpa gettign a blood transfusion? Remember Falun Gong? That was full-tilt faith healing and "modern medicine is spiritual torture". So the state, bound by its own laws to care for citizen welfare, was in a bad place times millions. Imagine if the JW's in America were advertising, demonstrating, spreading like a fad yet cult-brained, insisting any medical treatments only harm their God-suffused bodies. The government would have to "repress" such a threat to national welfare.

Originally Posted by Pong

Originally Posted by kojax

It's hard to imagine such primitive cultures living inside one's borders. Even harder to imagine having to be the government of a country that has to deal with those primitive cultures.

You've had a taste, with the Jehovah's Witness refusal of blood transfusion. What happens when JW family fights the state about their child or coma grandpa gettign a blood transfusion? Remember Falun Gong? That was full-tilt faith healing and "modern medicine is spiritual torture". So the state, bound by its own laws to care for citizen welfare, was in a bad place times millions. Imagine if the JW's in America were advertising, demonstrating, spreading like a fad yet cult-brained, insisting any medical treatments only harm their God-suffused bodies. The government would have to "repress" such a threat to national welfare.

Now, imagine if that behavior were seriously widespread.