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    Creationism, torture and other issues make the Republican party a little disturbing (for now).

    But the Democratic party position of stem cell research and abortion disturbs me slightly. Both remind me of slavery as it uses one (potential) human life, unwillingly to improve or save the life of the other. I think stem cell research may be admissible if it saves more lives than it takes. However abortions, that do not save the life of the mother, seem inexcusable. Plus I wonder if people would feel differently if their parents had considered abortion.

    I am not a bioethicist and I have limited knowledge of stem cell research, so feel free to respond in the negative

    I found this clip of the Colbert Report interesting:
    http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip16324

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    Note: I think Obama wanted to limit abortions, but not through restrictions but through increasing social services. (Reminds me of the left-wing crime reduction through poverty reduction, pretty effective as far as I can see) Thoughts on this?


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    I do not live in the US and I am not exactly great at looking for the positions of a party on a specific issue, so please bear with me if I do not know the positions of the Democratic Party on these issues youve mentioned.

    You do not need to be a bioethicist to discuss issues like this. It is perfectly acceptable to be interested in them.

    I myself believe that abortions are sensible; after all, a foetus has no experience of human life. It has no memories it will miss, nothing that makes it fundamentally indistinguishable from oher foetuses. Killing a foetus is practically no different from breaking open the eggs of chickens. Besides, in such a world, I sometimes believe it is a favour to pevent them living in a world like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Creationism, torture and other issues make the Republican party a little disturbing (for now).

    But the Democratic party position of stem cell research and abortion disturbs me slightly. Both remind me of slavery as it uses one (potential) human life, unwillingly to improve or save the life of the other. I think stem cell research may be admissible if it saves more lives than it takes. However abortions, that do not save the life of the mother, seem inexcusable. Plus I wonder if people would feel differently if their parents had considered abortion.

    I am not a bioethicist and I have limited knowledge of stem cell research, so feel free to respond in the negative

    I found this clip of the Colbert Report interesting:
    http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/#clip16324

    Thoughts?
    Abortion happens wholesale in Nature so there is no need to be disturbed by this .

    When humanity slaugthers 9 billion animals every year, why should abortion bother you?
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    Still see it differently. I don't think it has much to do with "experience of human life", if you were deciding a patient for a heart transplant this wouldn't be a consideration, you would base it on whether there was potential for more human life.

    Plus I think equating, even if it is only potential, human life to that of animals is a slippery slope (often, and no insult intended, used in genocidal propaganda). For whatever reason we place human life above animal life, maybe people will change how they treat animals in the future, maybe not, but I'd hate to go in the opposite direction.

    I think potential human life is as important (if not more) as an ordinary human life, for this reason: Imagine if you were murdered and assume there is an afterlife, that lasts five minutes, then nothing. In those five minutes you can reflect on the murder. Now would you be upset, in those five minutes, because the murderer took a human life with life experience or because he took away the potential for human (your) life?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golkarian
    Still see it differently. I don't think it has much to do with "experience of human life", if you were deciding a patient for a heart transplant this wouldn't be a consideration, you would base it on whether there was potential for more human life.

    Plus I think equating, even if it is only potential, human life to that of animals is a slippery slope (often, and no insult intended, used in genocidal propaganda). For whatever reason we place human life above animal life, maybe people will change how they treat animals in the future, maybe not, but I'd hate to go in the opposite direction.

    I think potential human life is as important (if not more) as an ordinary human life, for this reason: Imagine if you were murdered and assume there is an afterlife, that lasts five minutes, then nothing. In those five minutes you can reflect on the murder. Now would you be upset, in those five minutes, because the murderer took a human life with life experience or because he took away the potential for human (your) life?
    I would rather not answer that. A short afterlife?
    Not enough time to think.

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