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    America's ideals or belief structure seem to be centered around the notion that people are capable of freewill and/or the ability to freely make a choice. This is an inefficient model for America's beliefs. Freewill is a fallacy; the belief in such complicates the system... it is producing critical resistance to, what I would assume, are fundamental functions of this system.

    If we imagine society as a system, and this system has core components which effect the progression of that system... then we could logically deduce, much like any other system, there are core elements which effect the other and which may increase or decrease the outcome of the system.


    While certain aspects may be fundamental i.e. religions, the belief in freewill, and liberty... they may be over stated.


    This is a numbers game people... wonder if we survive?

    Another thing I would assume that given enough evolutionary development of intelligent systems (us and et's), that we will reach a state where the probability of that systems' survival is greatly increased. Stability and predictability of this system.


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    Free will may well be a fantasy; in fact it probably is, but as philosophers have often said, it seems as if we have free will and thereís nothing we can do about it.

    But on a mundane rather than a philosophical level, thereís a difference between free will and freedom of choice. A child born to wealthy parents may have just as much (or as little) free will as one born to a crack-addicted single mother in a slum. The choices they have are not the same.

    Iím not sure I follow the rest of your post so will leave it at that for now.


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    If there is no free will, why are we not living as we did 5000 years ago?
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    It all depends on what you define as freewill I guess... if you begin to define it as the ability to have an unhindered will........ we'll we as a society are far from that.
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    Thats also a matter of choice. If people preferred anarchy, they would vote for it. Or rebel against governance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schizo
    America's ideals or belief structure seem to be centered around the notion that people are capable of freewill and/or the ability to freely make a choice. This is an inefficient model for America's beliefs. Freewill is a fallacy; the belief in such complicates the system... it is producing critical resistance to, what I would assume, are fundamental functions of this system.
    There are varying interpretations of "free will" that are dependent on whether the perspective is from either a scientific, religious or ethical view.
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    Americas ideals have been replaced with the 'dollar' that has replaced the US Constitution.

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    If we imagine society as a system, and this system has core components which effect the progression of that system... then we could logically deduce, much like any other system, there are core elements which effect the other and which may increase or decrease the outcome of the system.
    Not so. Human society is fraught with uncertainties and complexities, where a minor change can lead to an improportionately large transformation, or a big event have little impact. Besides, outcome of what?

    Americas ideals have been replaced with the 'dollar' that has replaced the US Constitution.
    How so?
    In control lies inordinate freedom; in freedom lies inordinate control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liongold
    Americas ideals have been replaced with the 'dollar' that has replaced the US Constitution.
    How so?
    Our C'N promotes a representative government of its citizens, not the corrupting corporations that have high jacked our goverment and transformed it into a dollar republic.
    You saw the result! Wholesale bankruptcies.

    What we need to do is keep those 'influence' dollars out of the Congress and tne Whitehouse.

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