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    Human rights in Islam (1)

    The Right to Life

    By Magdy Abd Al-Shafy

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    " What is Islam "

    Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion. Muslims are prohibited from opening hostilities without properly declaring war against the enemy, unless the adversary has already started aggression against them.

    It was long before the Magna Carta and Geneva resolutions came into being that Islam had set human rights in its teachings . Unmindful that Allah's word will reach every corner in the world ,media and false thinkers tried to blur these ever-shining facts of the Islam with the aim of alienating people. Long ago the world suffered from violating human rights , a recently coined expression , and still does . The United Nations , dubbed as the divided nations by the persecuted every were , decreed a group of articles that have never been fully into action . Nothing to help the wounded , nothing to help widows , nothing to help the fatherless children , nothing to bring a piece of bread to the hungry but strangled by a veto resolution . When these rights were revealed in the Holy Quran and detailed in the prophets sayings , they were put into action . This is the difference between Allah's laws and man-made laws that can be violated or changed or modified . The first and the foremost basic right in Islam is the right to live and the respect of human life.

    The holy Quran and the traditional sayings and acts of the prophet strictly impose the following injunctions during the time of peace and the time of war .

    •No one should be burned alive or tortured with fire.

    •Wounded soldiers who are neither unfit to fight, nor actually fighting, should not be attacked.

    •Prisoners of war should not be killed.

    •It is prohibited to kill anyone who is tied up or in captivity.

    •Residential areas should not be pillaged, plundered or destroyed, nor should the Muslims touch the property of anyone except those who are fighting against them.

    •Muslims must not take anything from the general public of the conquered country without paying for it.

    •The corpses of the enemy must not be disgraced or mutilated..

    •Corpses of the enemy should be returned.

    • Treaties must not be broken.

    In Islam , taking one's life is equal to taking the life of the whole of the world , how a heinous picture ! God says in the holy Quran what means " Whosoever kills a human being without (any reason like) man slaughter, or corruption on earth, it is as though he had killed all mankind ... (5:32) . This Holy verse refers to the killing of Moslem or non-Moslem .

    As far as the question of taking life in retaliation for murder or the question of punishment for spreading corruption on this earth is concerned, it can be decided only by a proper and competent court of law. If there is any war with any nation or country, it can be decided only by a properly established government. In any case, no human being has any right by himself to take human life in retaliation or for causing mischief on this earth. Therefore it is incumbent on every human being that under no circumstances should he be guilty of taking a human life. If anyone has murdered a human being, it is as if he has slain the entire human race. These instructions have been repeated in the Holy Quran in another place saying:"Do not kill a soul which Allah has made sacred except through the due process of law ... (6:151) " .No racialism in Islam , all people are equal before the Divine law . Some religions , being distorted , give every privileges to their adherents only . This is not the case in Islam , the word " soul " is significant , it refers to all people , irrespective of their religions or creeds . In Islam the human soul is sacred.

    Nothing is as bad as polytheism in Islam ,the Prophet, may God's blessings be on him, has declared homicide as the greatest sin only next to polytheism. The Tradition of the Prophet reads: "The greatest sins are to associate something with God and to kill a soul (human beings.)" In all verses of the Quran and the Traditions of the Prophet the word 'soul' (nafs) has been used in general terms without any distinction or particularization which might have lent itself to the elucidation that the persons belonging to one's nation, the citizens of one's country, the people of a particular race or religion should not be killed. The injunction applies to all human beings and the destruction of human life in itself has been prohibited.

    Allah has made the quality of respecting one's life among the most important qualities of the true slave whom all Moslems take him as an example to follow , Allah says in the holy Quran what means " And those who invoke not any other ilaha (god) along with Allah, nor kill such person as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse - and whoever does this shall receive the punishment." (TMQ, 25:6 8 ).

    when someone is offended in any way , Allah limits his retaliation and even recommends forgiveness . Allah says in the holy Quran what means " And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you put: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient "

    Also Islam allows dismissal or ransom for the prisoners , Allah says in the holy Quran what means when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates." (Muhammad: 4)

    The Qur’anic verse thus provides alternatives: either the Muslim commander should free those captives who can not offer ransom either in the form of money or an equivalent number of Muslim captives, or he should ransom his captives for money or for a similar number of Muslim captives. This is what is now known as an exchange of prisoners. That kind of ransoming should be adopted, as it leads to the release of two big groups of people – Muslims and non-Muslims. The Qur’anic verse does not mention a third choice, namely the enslavement of captives; the Qur’anic text explicitly forbids it by limiting the choice to only two alternatives – free dismissal or ransoming – without referring to enslavement. Thus enslavement is not involved in the choice

    Islam doesn't only impose the respect to human life of the prisoner but also impose feeding them ; the sound emitting from the words of the following verse, when reading it in Arabic , is soul-stirring and extremely touching. Allah has made feeding the captive as virtuous as feeding the orphan . Allah says in the holy Quran what means " And they feed, for the love of God, the indigent, the orphan, and the captive" . To visualize this , remember the following Hadith by the prophet "" I and the person who looks after an orphan and provides for him , will be in paradise like this , " putting his index and middle fingers together .

    Ibn Umayr, one of the captives of Muslims in the Battle of Badr recalled: "Whenever I sat with my captors for lunch or dinner, they would offer me bread and themselves [eat] the dates, in view of the Prophet's recommendation in our favor." Please note that in that desert situation, bread was a more luxurious item of food than dates. Another example ,When the Jewish tribe of Bani Qurayzah were captured, loads of dates were regularly carried to them, with the Prophet's instructions to shelter them from the summer sun and to provide them with water to drink.

    Thumama ibn-Athal, was taken prisoner and brought to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, who said: “Be good to him in his captivity.” When the Prophet went home he instructed to collect whatever food there, and ordered it sent to the prisoner.



    Moving to the Prophetic Hadiths ( traditioan sayings ) , we shall again find that the Prophet never enslaved a free man throughout his reign . His acts were moving injunctions that should be strictly followed.

    Umarna Ibn-Athal was set free upon his promise not to help the enemy . This gentle treatment touched the man’s heart and was then converted to Islam saying to the Prophet: "There was a time when your face was the most hated face to me, and there comes a day when it is the most loved.”

    The prophet's companions used to remind each other of the injunction concerning the respect of the prisoners . Contrary to what is practiced against the prisoners in the prisons , Islam gives good treatment to the prisoners . The messenger of Allah (SAWS) has forbidden harming or doing any injustice to prisoners of war . On the authority of Shihab he said," Accompanied by a prisoners of wars , Abo-Baker once passed by Sohib while he was sitting in the mosque , on seeing him , Sohib said " who is this with you ? " "He is a prisoner of war ; I am going to ask the prophet's consent to set him free " . Replied Abo-Baker . " There seems to be what could be the effect of a sword in his neck !!" Said Sohib ; Abo-Bakr got angry because of being accused of causing the prisoner some harm and as a result headed to the prophet . On seeing him as so angry , prophet Mohummed said " why are you angry ?" " I passed with my prisoner by Sohib ,who said when he saw the sign of a sword in my prisoner's neck " what is that in his neck ?" " prophet Mohummed said " Mind you didn't cause him any harm !!" Abo Bakr said " I swear by God , I didn't ." If you had harmed him , you would have disobeyed and displeased God and His messenger ." prophet Mohummed said .

    Among those whom the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, granted freedom was a poet called Abu-Azza , who said to the Prophet: “I have five daughters who have no one to support them, so give me away to them as a charity and I promise never to fight you or help your enemies.

    Abul-As Ibn Al Rabiae was freed for a ransom, which the Prophet later returned back to him. Later, the man embraced Islam.

    Many Hadiths were said by the prophet in this regard , one of the most important Hadith is that which likens the belief in Allah as a circle in which a Moslem should confine himself ; if he kills ,he will throw himself out of this circle , prophet Mohummed says " A Moslem can remain within the sphere of belief in Allah as long as he doesn't take one's life"

    Nothing is great as the following situation , it is not this time that the prophet will lead himself the army in defence of the Islamic country , so he was worried lest the limits and injunctions of Allah ( concerning the human rights during wars ) should be transgressed or violated . So he stood reminding the leaders of the army of the ever-applied war ethics of Islam.

    In all his battles, the Prophet (SAWS) advised the army leaders and said, "Go ahead in the name of Allah, and by the blessing of his Messenger. Don't kill an old man, or a child, or a young person or a woman. Don't betray. Act in the Right way, and do good, truly Allah loves the good-doers".

    And He (SAWS) forbade also mutilating dead bodies as he said: " I warn you of mutilating the killed, even if it was a slaughter dog".

    He (SAWS) said also: " Don't kill women, or children, or those who are in the monasteries."

    " Fear God regarding prisoners of war" " Take care of prisoners of war"

    When the Prophet (SAWS) saw a woman killed in the battlefield, he denounced that saying "She did not fight".

    "Don't fight them until you invite them to Islam. if they refuse, don't begin fighting until they kill one from you.Then, show them this killed Muslim and say, if you say La ilaha Ila Allah ( There's No God but Allah), we'll let you go…. Because, if Allah guides one man at your hands, this will be better than having all what is under the sun ."

    It was Islam that made it incumbent to discriminate between combatant and non combatant in holy wars ; the west brags about this , though this article was never put into effect

    The Prophet (SAWS) has forbidden burning people with fire. He said, "Lord of fire is the only One Who can punish by fire.", narrated by Abu-Dawud and al-Dârimî.

    Gandhi , when contemplating on the ethics of Mohummed especially those which mirror the true picture of the prophet , was moved to say " "I become more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days. ) (Young India, 1922).

    And also Alphonse de LaMartaine says " "If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astonishing results are the three criteria of a human genius, who could dare compare any great man in history with Muhammad?... "'Historie de la Turquie,' Paris, 1854.

    Neitherdid Abo-Baker nor did his successors ,who were imbued with the luminous teachings of the prophet forget to inculcate the same injunctions (after the death of the prophet) in the hearts of the war leaders.

    Abo-Baker , being filled with the light of the prophet's teachings , used to remind his leaders saying " “Do not betray or be treacherous or vindictive. Do not mutilate. Do not kill the children, the aged or the women. Do not cut or bum palm trees or fruitful trees. Don’t slay a sheep, a cow or camel except for your food. And you will come across people who confined themselves to worship in hermitages, leave them alone to what they devoted themselves for.”

    And in another situation , he ordered another army leader saying " “I give you ten commandments: don’t kill a woman or a child or an old person, and don’t cut trees or ruin dwellings or slay a sheep but for food. Dont burn palm trees or drown them. And don’t be spiteful or unjust.”

    In addition, The Caliph Omar Ibnul-Khattab has advised his leader of the army saying: …… Fight and transgress not the limits, truly Allah likes not the transgressors. …….Never mutilate when you've the ability to do so. Don't exceed the limits in the matter of taking life when you're the winners. Don't kill an old man, or a woman, or a child and avoid killing them in all

    In quoting this particular example, one dare say that such an attitude was quite different from the behavior characterizing the invading crusaders. When the crusaders entered Jerusalem on July 15th 1099, they slaughtered seventy thousand Muslims including women, children and old men. They broke children's skulls by knocking against the wall, threw babies from roof tops, roasted men over fire and cut up women's bellies to see if they had swallowed gold.

    It was long before it was decreed by Geneva convention that Islam give shelter and medicine to the prisoners of wars .

    A well-known example is that of Salahuddin Ayyubi (Saladin), who gave medical help to his opponent Richard the Lion-Hearted of England, who was seriously ill during the Crusades. He sent his own doctor and personally supervised Richard's treatment until he became well. This is in contrast with the behavior of the invading crusaders. When they entered Jerusalem on July 15, 1099, they slaughtered seventy thousand Muslims, including women, children, and the elderly: "They broke children's skulls by knocking them against the wall, threw babies from roof tops, roasted men over fires and cut open women's bellies to see if they had swallowed any gold."

    This description was given by Edward Gibbon, the famous historian; and in modern warfare, this example is paralleled by the atrocious behavior of the Serb army in Bosnia, to quote just one instance.

    It is interesting to mention that when Muslims fought the Romans in Egypt, the Egyptian Copts sided with and helped Muslims against the Romans who were Christians like them. This was because Christian Egypt was suffering religious oppression by the Christian Romans to compel them to adopt their religious beliefs. One of the earliest actions of the Muslims in Egypt was the assurance of religious freedom and the reinstatement of Benjamin as Bishop of Alexandria after years of hiding from the Romans in the western desert.

    In five successive international law conferences , law scientists spoke vociferously about how the Islamic law meets the human needs . Having studied the Islamic law , those scientists issued the following recommendations :

    The Islamic jurisprudence is to be another reference when comparing different jurisprudences.

    The Islamic law is independent and irrelative to the Roman law or any other law .The Islamic law is valid for every age and place.

    The Islamic law is to be represented in the international law and in International Court of Justice.

    In the Comparative Law Conference of The Hague in(1932), the French jurist (Lambert) , referred to the great appreciation that began to prevail amongst European and American jurists concerning the Islamic law at the present time,

    He said " I needn't quote some of the Islamic Laws to justify what I am saying about them , The Islamic law implies rules that , if formulated creatively , would be of so useful.Many western jurists admitted the favour of the Islamic law over the international law , among those are Vito Rea and Baron "Michel de Taub

    George Bernard Shaw , comic dramatist, literary critic, and socialist propagandist, winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1925., says " "I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving the problems in a way that would bring the much needed peace and happiness. Europe is beginning to be enamored of the creed of Muhammad. In the next century it may go further in recognizing the utility of that creed in solving its problems."

    (A Collection of writing of some of the eminent scholars, 1935).

    http://www.55a.net/firas/english/?pa...elect_page=110


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    A sweet post. Thank you.

    I agree an enemy can and should be respected as a fellow human being. I think it is a moral coward who can't appreciate honor in an enemy, who must vilify and dehumanize to contemplate violence on another person.

    Now, my fellow Canadians are fighting Taliban in Kandahar, Afghanistan. Not because the nation likes to, or the government wishes it, but by legal obligation to NATO (when did NATO's mandate extend to the Pakistan border?) and in keeping with our necessary alliance to America.

    One aspect of this mission has been bothering me: female soldiers. Canadians consider ourselves very progressive regarding women's rights, so if a woman wants to do anything a man does, we try to accommodate. Therefore, the Taliban face fully combatant woman soldiers. This has got to be an ethical nightmare for those religious men. Canadian military understands this too... but as I hinted above, Canadians give our enemies zero respect, for we just don't understand as a nation how to fight a moral enemy. To our thinking, all our enemies are unworthy, like a kind of object. I can think of ways the Taliban could purposely disturb Canadian soldiers, they do not.

    I welcome other opinions on this issue, especially the Islamic and feminist perspectives.


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    I can tell you what rights are allowed in Islam

    You have the right to worship Allah and no one else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmd

    Islam never fought nations but fought only despotic authorities. Islamic war was one of liberation and not of compulsion. Muslims are prohibited from opening hostilities without properly declaring war against the enemy, unless the adversary has already started aggression against them.
    Any religion that sanctifies and condones war is a religion to be abolished. Clearly, the sanctions of war within Islam have been and will always be abused. We have already witnessed the violence Muslims propagate over a cartoon and a film. They can make up anything they want to satisfy their bloodlust in protecting their cult prophets and gods.

    Islam was spread by the sword, wars were fought against non-believers who simply wanted nothing to do with Islam, hence were murdered or forced to convert.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...e_Muslim_world

    How can a religion recognize human rights when an entire Muslims life is to obey god? Humans are clearly irrelevant to each other and are only here to satisfy a malevolent and vain god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmd
    •No one should be burned alive or tortured with fire.

    •Wounded soldiers who are neither unfit to fight, nor actually fighting, should not be attacked.

    •Prisoners of war should not be killed.

    •It is prohibited to kill anyone who is tied up or in captivity.

    •Residential areas should not be pillaged, plundered or destroyed, nor should the Muslims touch the property of anyone except those who are fighting against them.

    •Muslims must not take anything from the general public of the conquered country without paying for it.

    •The corpses of the enemy must not be disgraced or mutilated..

    •Corpses of the enemy should be returned.
    I'm not a pro-Israel or Palestinian and least of all Hezbollah.
    Sometimes ago Hesbollah captured and Israeli soldier

    LEBANON/ISRAEL BORDER, July 16 (Reuters) - Hezbollah handed the bodies of two Israeli soldiers to the Red Cross on Wednesday to be exchanged for Lebanese prisoners held by Israel in a deal viewed as a triumph by the Lebanes
    http://www.reuters.com/article/homep...6924._CH_.2400

    The funny thing in all of that is that Hezbollah returned bodies and Israel returned prisoners.
    •Prisoners of war should not be killed.
    But Hezbollah ain't real Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timel
    The funny thing in all of that is that Hezbollah returned bodies and Israel returned prisoners.
    No, "prisoners" on both sides were dead, presumably dead in combat. From your link:
    Quote Originally Posted by timel
    * Hezbollah hands over corpses of two Israeli soldiers

    * Israel returns bodies of 8 Hezbollah, 4 Palestinians
    This prisoner exchange was initiated by Hezbollah, and the agreement pledges further exchanges - both still hold many "prisoners".

    The "funny thing" to me is that, while Lebanese are celebrating this in street banners as "Liberation of the captives: a new dawn for Lebanon and Palestine", Israel officially
    denounced the planned festivities.


    Q and Cosmo predictably have no interest in honestly addressing Islamic ethics in war, so refuse to engage the OP in good faith. I reckon I'd be better off in war against Muslims, than them. Some of the OP statements strike a personal chord, as my wife's grandparents were indeed burned alive by fire, while her countrymen in my city were herded into livestock pens, property stolen, and taken to concentration camps. The nations that did this are basically contemptuous of Islam if not Muslims.

    I believe we must remember the humanity of our enemies during war. War should not suspend basic rights - it only authorizes limited and purposeful exceptions. I appreciate any message reminding us of that.
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    In a deal mediated by a U.N.-appointed German intelligence officer, Israel was to free Qantar and four other prisoners.

    Qantar had been serving a life prison term for the deaths of four Israelis, including a four-year-old girl and her father, in a 1979 Palestinian guerrilla attack on an Israeli town.
    I was speaking of those, sorry!
    And yes, you catched the point I was trying to make. How ridiculous was Lebanese Hezbollah reaction on the come back of prisoners which was to treat them as heros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong

    Q and Cosmo predictably have no interest in honestly addressing Islamic ethics in war, so refuse to engage the OP in good faith.
    That's strange, I did exactly that. I even quoted the passage. Helloooo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by timel
    you catched the point I was trying to make. How ridiculous was Lebanese Hezbollah reaction on the come back of prisoners which was to treat them as heros.
    Is that ridiculous? What makes cause for celebration is subjective. For example we may celebrate McCain returning from Vietnam... why? Because he bombed civilians with burning chemicals (terrorized a nation)? Or because he endured torture (like the poor bastards at Gitmo)? Well, heroism is a funny thing, isn't it? Every side must have its heroes.

    I just thought it funny the Israelis make a point of denouncing other people's celebration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Q and Cosmo predictably have no interest in honestly addressing Islamic ethics in war, so refuse to engage the OP in good faith.
    That's strange, I did exactly that. I even quoted the passage. Helloooo?
    You didn't acknowledge the message of - or motive behind - that post. You could have responded constructively. For goodness's sake Q the post is adorned with flowers and all you can do is attack.

    What do you think the post means?
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    I am not against Islam. Nor am I pro other religion. I believe that religion is just a matter of ones view of his/her spirituality.

    But Muslims really need to be guided when it comes on how they obey their rules. Because right now a lot of them are abusing Islam. Maybe they should be excommunicated from Islam.

    Ever heard of the MILF and Abu Sayaf in the southernmost island of the Philippines? Well, they pillage, raid, and behead their captives.
    They kidnap civilians for ransom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    You didn't acknowledge the message of - or motive behind - that post. You could have responded constructively. For goodness's sake Q the post is adorned with flowers and all you can do is attack.

    What do you think the post means?
    Are you joking? The OP is Islamic propaganda, like the rest of ahmd's threads. Human rights in Islam, are you braindead?
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    You didn't acknowledge the message of - or motive behind - that post. You could have responded constructively. For goodness's sake Q the post is adorned with flowers and all you can do is attack.

    What do you think the post means?
    Are you joking? The OP is Islamic propaganda, like the rest of ahmd's threads. Human rights in Islam, are you braindead?
    When a Muslim goes out of his way to promote human rights, the foolish response is to argue and jeer.

    When an Ayatollah spells out exactly why nuclear weapons are forbidden by Islam, only the deluded pretend he meant otherwise.

    What is your position here? It seems you'd have your hometown firebombed because you just can't tolerate grounds for ethics not your own. Do you balk at Christmas too 'cause you must oppose Christian imagery and religious justifications for gift-giving?


    What do you think the post means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    When a Muslim goes out of his way to promote human rights, the foolish response is to argue and jeer.
    This clown is not promoting human rights, he is promoting Islam.

    What is your position here? It seems you'd have your hometown firebombed because you just can't tolerate grounds for ethics not your own.
    Do you honestly think Islam, or any other of the Abrahamic religions promotes ethics?

    Do you balk at Christmas too 'cause you must oppose Christian imagery and religious justifications for gift-giving?
    Of course. The pagan holiday associated with gift-giving, tree-trimming and the rest has nothing to do with Christ or Christians.


    What do you think the post means?
    It's all Islamic propaganda, can't you see that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    It's all Islamic propaganda, can't you see that?
    You're asking me to "see" one thing where I see many things good and bad. Your vision is simple: It's all bad.

    I understand your position now. Any good that comes of religion, you resent. I guess you hate the bird pictured in the OP, because it's an Islamic propaganda bird.

    You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch. But in time I hope you'll understand that people use religion - and anti-religion, and all sorts of vehicles - to express their hearts. How can you respond to that? It's all expression of the heart, you see. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    I understand your position now. Any good that comes of religion, you resent.
    What good has come from religion?

    I guess you hate the bird pictured in the OP, because it's an Islamic propaganda bird.
    Don't be a twit.

    You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch. But in time I hope you'll understand that people use religion - and anti-religion, and all sorts of vehicles - to express their hearts. How can you respond to that? It's all expression of the heart, you see.
    Funny, I thought the heart pumped blood?

    Yes, people USE religion. The OP is an example of a religion being used in the context of exploitation and deception. One is not 'anti-religion' for not accepting it. So, stop trying to feed me some crap about "expressions of the heart" and look at the agenda of these religious nutjobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by (Q)
    look at the agenda
    Yes, let's. Human Rights in Islam - tabled by Ahmd for debate.

    The thing about ransoming/exchanging POWs seems easier said than done. Wouldn't strict adherence to Islam in this matter often cause more problems? Politicians just love an ongoing POW issue.

    The thing about fire in warfare. Maybe the Islamic world should develop parallel technology, because the (US/Russia) standard now does pretty casually employ fire in one form or another. Directly to human tissue I mean. Islamic armies are at a disadvantage when they reject these cheap and ...effective... weapons. Recent conflicts show Islamic armies sorely behind the times.
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    Q, I wish Ahmd would come out defend his position, he might be the best in doing so.


    I agree Pong, celebrating people coming back from a conflict as hero is ambigious. Everyone believe they've been doing the right thing. Still, toward the rest of the world when Hezbollah did this welcoming party it sounded quite indelicate toward the rest of the world and a laugh in the face of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timel
    Q, I wish Ahmd would come out defend his position, he might be the best in doing so.
    That will never happen. Islamic propagandists like Ahmd hardly ever defend their positions simply because they are unable to do so. Ahmd is brainwashed with Islamic dogma and fabrications and is unable to think.

    His is one of deserving of the highest of ridicule.
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