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Thread: Who will be the next President of the United States?

  1. #1 Who will be the next President of the United States? 
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    Hello,

    it's pretty simple. Who do you think will be the next President of the United States of America? I was following the presidential campaigns for a while, both on TV and on the Internet, and drives me mad somehow. I don't think either of one can be President for obvious reasons, and do feel, somehow, Californian Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was the only one, who could lead the Nation into the future, currently.

    Don't be mistaken about that. I do know that the Californian Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger can't become President since he was not a native U.S. citizen. But, other amendments were enacted, so who knows. He was my very favorite. 'I like your gun', you know.

    Anyway, I'm also aware of the fact that not only U.S. citizens do posting on the board. Therefore the poll might not be representative. Who knows. : )

    But we just could run that poll to check back occasionally to see what the bets are. lol

    I voted for Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    The Governator was clearly ahead, about to be winning. So I urge you to vote in case you've got an other favorite!!!!

    Steve


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    Thank you for taking an interest in our election. The precedent for electing a mediocre Hollywood actor as president after serving a stint as governor of California is not encouraging. Still, Schwarzenegger has done some good things, including action on climate change, so if he continues with the sexual harassment training, and could avoid calling his opponents girlie men, and if the Constitution was amended he might get somewhere. In you hypothetical election he would not get my vote.


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    Interesting twist; Wish you had added "and why", which is something I would like to hear from folks, not from here. I have noted elsewhere that Obama is the most accepted and for some reason Ms. Palin gets favorable mention.

    Yes, Congress could amend the Constitution, there actually was some movement that direction when Arnold became Governor, but the process would take years. Frankly, I doubt the 'Naturalized Citizen' requirement will ever be lifted as even this year a first generation American, from two Mexican Citizens actually did run in the primaries, Bill Richardson, Gov of NM...

    McCain and Arnold, for all practical purpose, have the same view on most issues, while Obama has the standard Liberal Democratic views. For the record however, California today is having some real financial problems...

    My vote will go for McCain/Palin, for stability in government, a counter to the obvious coming Democratic Congress and the hope Palin will prove to be an inspiration to the American People in years to come.
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    hope Palin will prove to be an inspiration to the American People in years to come.
    ...while also hoping fervently that John McCain doesn't pop his clogs.
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    Cool guys thank you for your participation so far. Yes jackson33, you are right, I should have added why you think your candidate(s ) are the best choice for the nation. Anyway, i wanted to add an other bar reading 'An other presidential candidate'. This one did not show up. Don't know what I have done wrong. : (

    I love to see Californian Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger : ) has got an other vote yet, out of mine.

    Why don't you think naturalized U.S. citizens can not be, or should not be President? The founding fathers weren't Natives either. They founded the nation, firstly. Forgot it?

    There was a cool web site providing a keyword search feature on yesterdays 1st Presidential Debate. Check it out.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/#scroll_debates

    The video was reeling pretty slow on my computer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller

    I love to see Californian Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger : ) has got an other vote yet, out of mine.

    Why don't you think naturalized U.S. citizens can not be, or should not be President? The founding fathers weren't Natives either. They founded the nation, firstly. Forgot it?

    Steve
    Natural born, only relates to the President and VP (who could become the P). All other offices in the Federal and I think in all States you are only required to have become a citizen, taking the oath and so on (some have time limits)...

    With out checking, I suppose the feeling was a possible intent of a immigrant to become a citizen, which would be much easier today with an electorate of all people (originally white male land owners). The first amendment in the 'Bill of Rights' (First Ten and #27) of twelve offered was "no person of Nobility Holding any Title could become President" (never ratified) but indicates their concerns. Any person could then move here, become a citizen (much easier then, with just registering and the oath) then crusade for the head office. Another check in the beginning, also showing concerns, was the elector system from States to choose the President. These where from the various State Legislatures, not publicly voted on. In our history, there have been many VERY popular people from around the World, that could have done just what those founders feared, as our demographics have changed. By the way most all the founders were born in those 13 colonies and there are several laws where those born outside the US to an American Citizen (Singular) are still eligible, territories that later became States or children of military people not born in the US.
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    Right, so therefore I don't strive to be President. And neither of both candidates was qualified. Not Sen. McCain, and either not Sen. Obama. Sen. McCain does and Sen. Obama will at some point. And that's what worries me so much.

    But what a free nation was it, that restricts the rights of their citizens, by laws, by amendments, or by the bill of rights itself before they have done anything wrong? Corruption and mischief also are favored since any serious investment of lifetime seem senseless Such works only should grant rights to citizens and not forbid anything before anything could have happen. That's not working and was hindering research since it forbids before trying! And that was evil and not consistent with the Declaration of Independence.

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    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    And how could the star spangled banner fly over the home of the brave and the land of the free? Shouldn't laws only convict the accused if they were found to be guilty of any crime. People are forbidden to find the duly clue before they even could start trying.

    It's all cool before the Declaration of Independence, at : ) the Declaration of Independence (please don't get me wrong here ), and after the Declaration of Independence. And then it turns bad, even more bad, worse and worst.

    But the above quote was the key statement that has to be considered to be important if you would want the nation to go on, so to say. And there it was spoken about all men without any discrimination of their color, religion, anything... even not their place of birth.

    By the way, if Sen. John McCain would lend his vote to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger now then we had a 50/50 polling situation. ; )

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    I wanna post an other thought I just had, and which I can not blend into the post above.

    The declaration of independence, and especially the quoted text I pasted above, was addressing (as for the time being ) global issues rater than a national issue. That means it addresses the situation on the whole planet and becomes rather specific nationally further down below. Remember, back then the nation was to be found first. But it aims at being a document that the entire human mankind, and perhaps others, can organize their society with one day. I would say.

    The Bill of Rights, The Constitution, as well as laws 'only' addressing national issues. But they should obey to the grandness of the Declaration of Independence which recognizes and addresses the global as well as the national situation; and currently it doesn't. Otherwise, it would not be the case that men do get normal rights or their freedom restricted before they were found guilty for certain real crimes, which are comprehensible for others as well

    Not to be qualified to become president for some reason was such a restriction of rights and freedom of a citizen, I think, since the people in a democratic election was the decisive entity that does that decision later on anyway. One should not think that it was cost saving. The contrary was the case all in all. It badly effects anyone in the end, naturalized or native U.S. citizen. Believe it. It's the way I think.

    Oh my god Senator Obama leads the polling. Hurry, do me a favor. Please, vote for a Republican!!!!

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    I'm Obama but I couldn't resist temptation to say Arnold lol
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    Cool timel thank you. Again it's about Senator McCains vote. Democrats, what's up now?
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    Steve; The "Declaration of Independence", came from an accumulation of 150 years of events. The complaints listed were addressed to the King of England, with the hope he would grant independence. Of course this didn't happen and the war continued, but then with purpose on both sides.

    The 'Bill of Rights' were to protect the individual and the States from the Federal Government, not the government. The same folks that wrote or negotiated the Constitution (An outline for Government, function/operation), presented those amendments at the very first session of a US Congress.

    Restrictions over time been diminished or if you prefer rights and who qualified for those rights. Those White, Male, Landowners that were the only qualified people who could vote, run for office and/or hold office has become what exist today. Keep in mind, American law cannot exempt an individual from the law. This works both ways as the President can be convicted of a crime and imprisoned and a rather normal everyday lady with five kids, can become the president. If the Constitution were amended to allow Arnold to become President, that law would pertain to every person who becomes a citizen and in their lifetime could run for and become that leader. I could write a 'conspiracy theory' book on Obama being an instrument of the 'Muslim Brotherhood' to gain this head office. Factually, even if true (don't believe so), the Federal System is set up to remove a President for failure to uphold the Constitution and this would take only a few days.

    Pollsters are judged on their last poll, before an election. Polls leading up to that one poll, are news makers where pollster's are the news of the day. I do watch the trends in polling and I am becoming concerned...
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    jackson33, whom you would like to see winning this election?
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    The following, from The Economist, may be of interest to those who have voted in this thread.

    THE outcome of America's presidential election is of some interest to the rest of the world. Only Americans are eligible to vote in the real thing but The Economist’s new feature, the Global Electoral College, lets the world have a say. ..... since it is America's election, we are playing by its rules. .........each country is allocated a minimum of three votes with more added in proportion to population, giving a total of 9,875 in all. So cast your vote and then keep an eye on the results to test the theory that, if the world could choose, Barack Obama would stroll into the White House.

    Source: http://www.economist.com/research/ar...ry_id=12285939

    You can vote here:
    http://www.economist.com/vote2008/

    Steve, I am not trying to undermine your poll. People can vote in both polls. We can compare The Science Forum members with the rest of the planet.
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    No Ophiolite, thank you. I didn't know about 'The Economists' poll. Just trying to figure how it works. Btw, did you vote for Sen. Obama? You know, I do my notes on that!

    We need someone to vote for Governor Schwarzenegger, hurry up guys. Please, we can't afford having the Democrats occupying the White House.
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    Finally at last America has what appears to be a decent president with his head screwed on and his heart in the right place.

    But how long will he last before he:

    * is assassinated?

    * mysteriously dies after supping soup in a restaurant?

    * or gets voted out by the majority of stupid Americans and some dork like Bush or Clinton gets voted in?

    Can you believe they voted Bush in twice?? AND when it was discovered that the method of voting was deviously un-democratic they never did anything about it.........

    ......enter Sandie Shaw singing 'Puppet on a string' and pass around the dunce caps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    jackson33, whom you would like to see winning this election?
    I am the only McCain vote on your poll, knowing the point of your thread. I would have given Ms. Clinton consideration even with Obama VP and the pick of Ms. Palin set my vote. If it makes you feel better, I supported the movement to amend the Constitution and allow Arnold to run. The trouble was and as mentioned, it would also allow every other new citizen the same right.

    Ophie; Interesting poll, but its that worldwide trend that worries me. Trying not to bring race into the American equation, I don't see most of those represented Nations making a black person, with an Muslim name, from a broken home, showing no basic knowledge in the cultural/traditional value of their nation, their leader. Then the ones that are Muslim or predominately black apparently would (100% vote). This apparent worldwide idea, that America should play a social experiment game seems to me obvious.
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    jackson33, I'm glad you got the point of the thread. I didn't know it got one. : ) Indeed it makes me feel a little better since I can share my thoughts on the 2008 presidential election. I think no candidate currently running was the next President of the U.S. and I'm concerned where it will take us. As long as I was watching presidential elections I never felt such a situation. There always was one candidate who matched the needs of the job. But this time it's not about Democrats or Republicans or a personal opinion, there was no candidate who will be the next President I think, and that worries me.

    I don't know wherefore you don't want anyone else to having the chance to become President next to Governor Schwarzenegger, since I think there are many good folks out there firstly, and secondly, the final decision was made by the voters as well as by (financial ) supporters yet prior.

    Running for president additionally was a huge strain no one, who wouldn't think to add some good would get into willingly. I'm sure. I wouldn't!!!!!!
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    Your poll, reflects the popularity of Arnold, probably a good reflection of his National popularity in the US, for whatever the reasons. This is THE point of what I have been trying to explain and that I believe the reasoning behind the founders intent...

    Lets say Hugo Chavez of Venezuela holds a duel Citizenship with the US, wanting a Republican candidate to win, to enhance his prime source for income, OIL. Believe it or not, he is very popular and especially in California. If he were to run as a third party candidate for President he could possibly receive 10% of the vote. That 10% would automatically make the Republican person the winner, he and the democrats sharing the same electorate. Even taking California's electoral votes (53 of 270 needed) from the Democrats would do the same regardless of popular vote. There are probably millions of folks around the world holding dual citizenship, with the US and thus could be eligible, per your thinking, any one of which could set up a scenario to influence an outcome. I might add Mexico having the most and a good many which our largest minority (Latino) would flock to as the current Black's are today for Obama. I hope you are understanding, its not Arnold, but the system that needs protection.

    I somewhat agree, that neither major candidate will likely become a great American President to the historians. I do however believe McCain has access to the best available people for advice. For a change he has stated in advance these people, his administration and those advisor's WILL represent the best and brightest in their fields REGARDLESS of party affiliation. I also know Americans are going to elect a so called minority, whether be it a Woman, Black, Indian, Latino, this year or the next election at the latest. In short its the 'Old White Guy' syndrome which they are tired of....I would hope Palin, with at least some gained experience in the White House 2-3-4 years, with her inspirational ability can be this person. If McCain does win (think he will) it would automatically set up a Palin-Clinton, 2012 election, where the then choice will be determine the future of this country.

    If Arnold became Secretary of State, represented the US in the UN or some kind of roving ambassador would that vindicate the US system in your mind. I don't think he would take another 4 year pay cut, but is kind of a proud American...
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    jackson33,

    that's right. If anyone was elected by the people, as long as there was anything ok with the election process, this was the will of the people. You don't need to extra protect a system that was made of single folks. Your 'system' (the government ) anyway represents the will of the people. There was no reversal like the government or the administration would elect their people.

    The government or the administration will change as soon as it was no longer understood, by the government or the administration, that they are in fact representatives of the people.

    So, democracy (meaning the ruling of the people like the people self determining their faith ) was yet though to gain, although it's actually named is if the people would rule truly, since not anyone, I mean not anyone of about 300 million U.S. citizens for example was asked to vote on any issue.

    The people simply can not gather at one place since they are to many, and they have other interrest, talents, duties, tasks, jobs, hobbys..., which they are spending time on. But, yes there should be a wide range of candidates the voters cold elect. This was somehow tagging a free society, don't you think. I probably should not be leaning off the window so far, but oftentimes if there was a certain 'system of government' like the DoI labels it in application, you do need fresh blood since in the own people natively there was no on no longer who could do the job. I don't know so much about this, but I'm getting older and, to me, indications are alarming.

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    No one Republican? Come on. Low taxes and the military beat t'em up at the end?

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    You see! 14 days to go. ; ) It's 5 to 5, so to say.

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