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    Seems the Edwards affair is dredging up some McCain history.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ft-behind.html

    Is this history generally known among the populace in the states? Does the scorn for Edwards apply to McCain?


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    My goodness, are you really serious. A thirty plus year old story of an individuals past life, when his only fame was military service and five years POW.

    Edwards, was running for office, some think upset Ms. Clinton's changes and gave in return the most inexperience candidate in American History. His current wife diagnosed with cancer, which has since gone terminal. Using campaign funds to encourage an affair and then lying about the whole thing. Do you know how many American Presidents, have had acceptable to the public affairs in office or before being elected. Talk about apples and oranges...


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    Braeburn and Gala perhaps, but not apples and oranges, unless infedility is described differently there.

    Coming home from POW, and womanising on one's wife who worked tirelessly for your release, to find her disfigured, and to immediately begin playing the elite field. Marrying a woman eighteen years younger within a month of divorcing said wife - all of the above is certainly at odds with the noble war hero image. The man returned home, found a disfigured wife, and began an affair with a young wealthy beautiful heiress.

    Wikipedia has had mention of Carol McCain removed from John McCain's webpage. Perhaps McCain feels differently than you do about the impact this sort of information might have.

    On the other hand, if time is the important factor here, is the Monica Lewinsky scandal now "OK" amongst republicas?
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    Its said, over 60% of married males fool around on their spouse and 50% of the married ladies. This justifies nothing, but people in their youth and especially following forced separation (for what ever reason) divorce in almost the norm. Think the Military and over the road truck drivers lead the list. I do not know the specific facts or do I really wish to.

    Clinton reportedly had many affairs prior to running, denying all of them and was elected president. He then denied an affair with Monica, as president. He was impeached for lying, not having an affair. Historian's will determine his legacy and/or the importance (if any) of that one affair.

    What scares me in the Edwards case, is his said reason (ego trip), denial of the child (responsibility) and apparent continuation of the lying. His political career is over, his reputation shot and probably not much liked by his kids or dieing wife.
    The Spitzer case is no different, both attorneys gaining public office preaching what others should do, while doing what ever and however they please at what ever the cost to society or their family. Remember in the US, all elected office holders are under oath to 'uphold the laws'...which means telling the truth.
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    I can't speak for anyone else but as far as I am concerned the scandal is about Edwards paying his mistress out of his campaign funds. As far as Clinton is concerned, the man lied under oath, which is against the law. If not for that, there were no grounds for impeachment and the story would have gone away.

    Now if there was something illegal about McCain's affair, I'm all ears.
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    Evidently the payment was without Edwards' knowledge.
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    Is this history generally known among the populace in the states?
    It's complete news to me.

    I must say, I used to like McCain and think it would be tolerable, although not desirable, to have him as president. Since the campaign started I have grown more and more disgusted with the man, as we learn more about him, and see the puerile ads he's been putting out, and his lies about Obama. This latest bit of news (to me) just fits perfectly with this revised image. Thanks for the info. I'll be sure to mention it to my undecided friends.
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    McCain is a valuable senator, IMO, since it takes all kinds.

    He's no statesman though. Far from it. Far far far. Very far. In fact he's the opposite of a statesman.

    Now this. How can McCain say anything about the treatment of women? Muslim women in particular must be ready to hurl.

    I do think he's a credit to the country, kept inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Now if there was something illegal about McCain's affair, I'm all ears.
    I see some reports this morning that McCain is happily associating with Ralph Reed, who was closely embroiled in the Abramoff brouhahah. Any "ears" for that?

    On the campaign trail, John McCain likes to brag about chairing the Senate Indian Affairs Committee that investigated criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff's role in the Republican culture of corruption. But that is not stopping John McCain from raising campaign cash with one of Abramoff's closest business partners: scandal plagued conservative activist Ralph Reed. According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Reed has "agreed to serve as a member of the McCain Victory 2008 Team" and will host a fundraiser for his campaign on Monday, August 18.
    http://newsblaze.com/story/200808130.../topstory.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Now if there was something illegal about McCain's affair, I'm all ears.
    I see some reports this morning that McCain is happily associating with Ralph Reed, who was closely embroiled in the Abramoff brouhahah. Any "ears" for that?

    On the campaign trail, John McCain likes to brag about chairing the Senate Indian Affairs Committee that investigated criminal lobbyist Jack Abramoff's role in the Republican culture of corruption. But that is not stopping John McCain from raising campaign cash with one of Abramoff's closest business partners: scandal plagued conservative activist Ralph Reed. According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Reed has "agreed to serve as a member of the McCain Victory 2008 Team" and will host a fundraiser for his campaign on Monday, August 18.
    http://newsblaze.com/story/200808130.../topstory.html
    I thought we were talking about McCain ditching his sick wife.

    Up until now I hadn't heard about any Ralph Reed scandal. After reading about it, it seems like a tempest in a teapot. Reed lobbied against an Indian casino with money from somebody that ran a competing casino, which Reed may or may not have known about. For that, you think McCain should not have any dealings with Reed.

    After watching 8 years of Clinton scandals, I have seen that this kind of low grade scandal stuff doesn't carry a lot of weight. People are going to vote for the guy they think will put a chicken in their pot.
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    I thought we were talking about McCain ditching his sick wife.
    Neither McCain nor Edwards seem to have personally done anything illegal in that regard, and as you mentioned legality, I am satisfied with your perspective on that. I remain curious if other members have any response to the information about McCain cheating on his sick wife.

    Legality, OTOH, directly relates to this morning's headlines, but the headlines didn't seem worth a new thread.

    Evidently Ralph Reed was one of a trio (Abramoff, Reed, and Norquist) who ultimately managed to put speaker DeLay in their pocket not only with regard to Native American casinos but also human rights violations in the US Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...mbling_Scandal

    http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigat...=647725&page=1


    Reed was intrinsic to Abramoff's illegal dealings. These dealings had directly to do funneling legislation, for financial gain (Reed, Norquist, Abramoff's, and DeLay's as well). McCain paints himself as a champion of fiscal responsibility, "straight talk," and ethics.

    Abramoff pleaded guilty to conspiracy, fraud, and tax evasion. Reed was closely involved, but not subpoena'd. Does it interest you to see McCain participating in a fundraising event organised by Reed?

    I admit a fascination with what seems to be double standards and shifting goal posts. This may occur amonsgt both of your major parties, but is particularly apparent on the 'red' side of the US, in recent years (absolute power and all that.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by free radical
    [ This may occur amonsgt both of your major parties, but is particularly apparent on the 'red' side of the US, in recent years (absolute power and all that.)
    No. No way. Slick Willie used to laugh off scandals bigger than that every day before breakfast. It really depends on which blog you read as to which party you think is more scandal plagued.

    What do you mean by absolute power? The Democrats have had Congress for a while now.
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    So how do you feel about McCain's association with Reed then?

    Your comment about Clinton is interesting in this regard. Scandals every day? Before breakfast? He had 2500 scandals during his tenure, on the order of having tainted lobbyists raising funds for him. 2500? Or is there some hyperbole here.

    Absolute power, ie from 2002 til 2006, about now is when some daylight would begin to show on sordid dealings. Neither side holds absolute power at the moment, which seems wise. It is worth trying to keep that arrangement, with honourable candidates.

    What is your opinion of McCain's association with Reed?
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    McCain's association with Reed does not worry me. Reed hasn't been convicted of anything and McCain is not implicated in anything except maybe guilt by association.

    Clinton may not have had quite a scandal a day, but the list is impressive. Here are a few highlights, in case you have forgotten.

    Castle Grande - Hillary drew up the legal papers that were used to improperly funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars to Seth Ward, father-in-law of her ex-law partner Webster Hubbell. The billing records were subpoenaed in 1994 and mysteriously turned up in the White House in 1996.

    Cattlegate – During Clinton’s Arkansas days, Hillary turned a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit on cattle futures, with no previous experience in futures trading but with her account being handled by James Blair counsel for Tyson Foods, an Arkansas based company subject to state regulation.

    Mike Espy - former agriculture secretary who was forced out over charges that he got gifts and favors from Arkansas-based Tyson foods, whose owners were longtime Clinton backers.

    Filegate - the improper White House rummaging through 900 FBI files on Republican officials in the Bush and Reagan administration. The White House said it was an innocent snafu. Featured Craig Livingstone, the ex-bar bouncer with a history of drug use who was the head of White House security.

    Whitewater, which did not result in charges against the Clintons but ended in convictions of ex-cronies Susan and Jim McDougal and Webster Hubble.

    Travelgate, the Clintons' firing of career travel staffers like Billy Dale to make way for Clinton cronies. Clinton Hollywood pal Harry Thomason was seeking a piece of the lucrative White House charter business.

    Kathleen Willey –Accused Clinton of rape. Slick allegedly advised her to “put some ice on that” referring to her busted lip.

    Campaign-finance scandal of the late 1990s. - Millions of dollars of illegal Chinese campaign cash found its way into Democratic Party and Clinton legal defense fund coffers. American missile- guidance technology was given to Beijing.

    While Independent Counsel David Barrett was investigating the president’s Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros for various crimes, he discovered that the president had used the Internal Revenue Service, the Justice Department and the White House to audit political enemies, particularly the women who had accused the president of sexual harassment and rape.

    VP Al Gore illegally made campaign telephone calls from the White House. Gore says "There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law." Meaning nothing more than there were no previous similar cases.

    Vice President Al Gore was informed three months before an April 1996 event at a Buddhist temple in suburban Los Angeles that it was a fund-raiser, It's illegal to hold political fund-raisers at religious institutions,
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