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    Take a metal (can be anything though) and put it in the middle of a perfectly stable vacuum chamber in space. Then use a source of energy, like a blow torch or radiation, and bombard it equally from all directions. For a metal it will obviously melt, but, if you keep on applying energy to it, what will it turn into? Is there a thermal limit to matter? How long will it take to loose its heat to EMR and cool down? To what extent it it capable of cooling if it remained in the chamber untouched?

    I heard that metal will vaporize, but what about something like concrete? If you perfectly contained the energy source inside the chamber and continued to add it infinitely, will the concrete vaporize?


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    I think all the metals wont work out.
    Yes most of them will. When u will bombard it with light beams it will emit photoelectrons. But the light beams should be of or above the particular Frequency range of the specific metal.
    But if u pass a single beam of light it will emit electrons and if the metal is connected to an electric circuit and the anode be kept in the vaccum chamber a continuos circuit will go on.

    I think this is the only stage when the experiment will out.

    I tink for an energy source capable of producing heat it can vapourize but for an energy source emitting photons it is difficult.


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    The material is perfectly suspended and isolated; electrons cannot travel into a circuit.
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    Yes, concrete will vaporize. Get anything hot enough and it will vaporize.

    The experiment you described is running the Big Bang in reverse. So you might want to read a description of events immediately following the Big Bang to know where you would be headed if you could pour infinite energy into matter.

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    Is there any reason why the universe would not want something to vaporize (through its laws)?
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    No, everything can be vaporized. But if there is enough pressure on our sample, all normally gaseous material can be squeezed into what we call dense matter. Thus the core of Jupiter is supposed to consist of metallic hydrogen.

    Add more pressure and you can have a white dwarf star. I assume you know about them. Even more pressure squeezes electrons of an atom into the nucleus and turns everything into neutrons. This gives you the neutron star. The intense pressure is due to gravity.

    We can keep going pressurewise and wind up with a black hole. Is this getting too far from your original question?

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    No In fact, I was leading to that.

    I knew neutron stars are only composed of neutrons (if not mostly), but was not sure why.....so the electrons and protons fuse into neutrons? Is the gravity at all contributed to by the fact that it is composed of neutrons? Perhaps the lack of the electron orbitals allows for it to compress further.

    How does metallic hydrogen work?

    "Metallic hydrogen results when hydrogen is sufficiently compressed and undergoes a phase change; it is an example of degenerate matter. Solid metallic hydrogen consists of a crystal lattice of atomic nuclei (namely, protons), with a spacing which is significantly smaller than a Bohr radius. Indeed, the spacing is more comparable with an electron wavelength (see De Broglie wavelength). The electrons are unbound and behave like the conduction electrons in a metal. As is the dihydrogen molecule H2, metallic hydrogen is an allotrope. In liquid metallic hydrogen protons do not have lattice ordering i.e. the system is a liquid of protons and electrons." -Wikipedia

    This explanation does not make much sense to me; mostly because I was never taught things like the Pauli Excursion Principle, and therefore find it hard to understand from an explanation like that.
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    The only thing you cannot vaporize in this way is a black hole. But that will vaporize by itself if you DON'T bombard it with anything. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Take a metal (can be anything though) and put it in the middle of a perfectly stable vacuum chamber in space. Then use a source of energy, like a blow torch or radiation, and bombard it equally from all directions. For a metal it will obviously melt, but, if you keep on applying energy to it, what will it turn into? Is there a thermal limit to matter? How long will it take to loose its heat to EMR and cool down? To what extent it it capable of cooling if it remained in the chamber untouched?

    I heard that metal will vaporize, but what about something like concrete? If you perfectly contained the energy source inside the chamber and continued to add it infinitely, will the concrete vaporize?

    I can turn any substance, even noble gases with time, into pure electrons, that will pass through four inch thick steel. Fission is what they started calling disintegration.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchellmckain
    The only thing you cannot vaporize in this way is a black hole. But that will vaporize by itself if you DON'T bombard it with anything. LOL

    We used to have outrageous telescopes here on the Island. And you could look into other solar systems. And you could even see what appeared to be a black hole, using other equipment. But up close and very clear, it was just a large dark object, a giant planet.

    These dark rays appear to be overwhelmed, by excited gases in space, over the long journey. And they give way to them a bit. That is that odd ebbing of the deep black, we see. This is what I was taught and later saw a few minutes of video through one of the older telescopes here on the Island. I believe they are Argon filled.

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    What island?
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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