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    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?

    Just discuss and we'll see what happens.

    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.


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    Actually this was not an observation. But from quantum physiscs it can be deduced that there could be virtual particles popping into existance and destroying themselves again in time frames around Planck-Time. But to my knowledge this has never been observed. Google Feinman and Hawking radiation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zitterbewegung
    Actually this was not an observation. But from quantum physiscs it can be deduced that there could be virtual particles popping into existance and destroying themselves again in time frames around Planck-Time. But to my knowledge this has never been observed. Google Feinman and Hawking radiation.
    I thought that the vacuum energy had been observed and was now a well-established phenomenon? Take the Casimir Effect as the earliest known observation of this...
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    Yes, they have not been directly observed yet (to my knowledge) but virtual particles' effects have been observed, namely the Casimir effect, etc.

    This from the Wiki page on Virtual particles:
    Manifestations

    There are many observable physical phenomena resulting from interactions involving virtual particles. All tend to be characterized by the relatively short range of the force interaction producing them. Some of them are:
    The Coulomb force between electric charges. It is caused by exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space this exchange results in inverse square law for force.
    The so-called near field of radio antennas, where the magnetic effects of the current in the antenna wire and the charge effects of the wire's capacitive charge are detectable, but both of which effects disappear with increasing distance from the antenna much more quickly than do the influence of conventional electromagnetic waves, for which E is always equal to cB, and which are composed of real photons.
    The strong nuclear force between quarks - it is the result of interaction of virtual gluons. The residual of this force outside of quark triplets (neutron and proton) holds neutrons and protons together in nuclei, and is due to virtual mesons such as the pi meson and rho meson.
    The weak nuclear force - it is the result of exchange by virtual W bosons.
    The spontaneous emission of a photon during the decay of an excited atom or excited nucleus; such a decay is prohibited by ordinary quantum mechanics and requires the quantization of the electromagnetic field for its explanation.
    The Casimir effect, where the ground state of the quantized electromagnetic field causes attraction between a pair of electrically neutral metal plates.
    The van der Waals force, which is partly due to the Casimir effect between two atoms,
    Vacuum polarization, which involves pair production or the decay of the vacuum, which is the spontaneous production of particle-antiparticle pairs (such as electron-positron).
    Lamb shift of positions of atomic levels.
    Hawking radiation, where the gravitational field is so strong that it causes the spontaneous production of photon pairs (with black body energy distribution) and even of particle pairs.

    Most of these have analogous effects in solid-state physics; indeed, one can often gain a better intuitive understanding by examining these cases. In semiconductors, the roles of electrons, positrons and photons in field theory are replaced by electrons in the conduction band, holes in the valence band, and phonons or vibrations of the crystal lattice. A Virtual_particle is in a virtual state where the probability amplitude is not conserved.
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    Disclaimer: I do not declare myself to be an expert on ANY subject. If I state something as fact that is obviously wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me. I welcome such corrections in an attempt to be as truthful and accurate as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
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    Please explain the "time dilations" of this experiment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?

    Just discuss and we'll see what happens.

    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.


    None of what you wrote is real or even slightly plausible. That is an insult to science.
    There are no anti-particles.


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    But there is time dialtion, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    But there is time dialtion, right?

    No there is not such a thing. It is a misunderstanding of what takes place in those experiments quoted, as proving it.

    Blatant misunderstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Yes, they have not been directly observed yet (to my knowledge) but virtual particles' effects have been observed, namely the Casimir effect, etc.

    This from the Wiki page on Virtual particles:
    Manifestations

    There are many observable physical phenomena resulting from interactions involving virtual particles. All tend to be characterized by the relatively short range of the force interaction producing them. Some of them are:
    The Coulomb force between electric charges. It is caused by exchange of virtual photons. In symmetric 3-dimensional space this exchange results in inverse square law for force.
    The so-called near field of radio antennas, where the magnetic effects of the current in the antenna wire and the charge effects of the wire's capacitive charge are detectable, but both of which effects disappear with increasing distance from the antenna much more quickly than do the influence of conventional electromagnetic waves, for which E is always equal to cB, and which are composed of real photons.
    The strong nuclear force between quarks - it is the result of interaction of virtual gluons. The residual of this force outside of quark triplets (neutron and proton) holds neutrons and protons together in nuclei, and is due to virtual mesons such as the pi meson and rho meson.
    The weak nuclear force - it is the result of exchange by virtual W bosons.
    The spontaneous emission of a photon during the decay of an excited atom or excited nucleus; such a decay is prohibited by ordinary quantum mechanics and requires the quantization of the electromagnetic field for its explanation.
    The Casimir effect, where the ground state of the quantized electromagnetic field causes attraction between a pair of electrically neutral metal plates.
    The van der Waals force, which is partly due to the Casimir effect between two atoms,
    Vacuum polarization, which involves pair production or the decay of the vacuum, which is the spontaneous production of particle-antiparticle pairs (such as electron-positron).
    Lamb shift of positions of atomic levels.
    Hawking radiation, where the gravitational field is so strong that it causes the spontaneous production of photon pairs (with black body energy distribution) and even of particle pairs.

    Most of these have analogous effects in solid-state physics; indeed, one can often gain a better intuitive understanding by examining these cases. In semiconductors, the roles of electrons, positrons and photons in field theory are replaced by electrons in the conduction band, holes in the valence band, and phonons or vibrations of the crystal lattice. A Virtual_particle is in a virtual state where the probability amplitude is not conserved.
    There is ambient radiation racing around, and right through both those plates. There is going to be some surface velocity differential, between differing substances. You are going to get effects. When ambient radiation leaves one plate it hits air/partial vacuum. That is a totally different density. You are going to get noticeable effects.

    You can measure these things with an oscilloscope. All things take on a slight magnetic like quality. That effect things around them. That can be enhanced by movement. And easily measured with an ordinary oscilloscope.

    In dry air these effects, can be very powerful.

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    Yes, I agree, there is no such thing as 'time dialtion" in linear time foundation theories.

    But, with dual time, with a space-time theory of "two-times", there HAS TO exist a "time-dilation".

    I like to more think of it as a "time seperation" between the two strings of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.



    None of what you wrote is real or even slightly plausible. That is an insult to science.There are no anti-particles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?

    Just discuss and we'll see what happens.

    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.


    None of what you wrote is real or even slightly plausible. That is an insult to science.
    There are no anti-particles.


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    I requested you stay out of this thread for the simple reason that you're a mong. Keep out.
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    Also if there are no anti-particles I shall just say the words electron, positron to you. Explain that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Also if there are no anti-particles I shall just say the words electron, positron to you. Explain that.

    There are no positrons. There are electrons like Benjamin Franklin found. Our country was built upon that information and understanding. GM published information to that effect.

    The only subatomic particle is the electron. It is indestructible, cannot touch any other electrons. Has no mass no weight. And can only repel, all things in the Universe.

    The proton or hydrogen atom, is just a spherical structure, of electrons. Held in a spherical shape, by ambient radiation.

    The ambient radiation/ether that has been attacked for almost 100 years, is electrons traveling at speeds that do not have time to leave a charge. Unless you create a diode, or high voltage area. That creates a diode.

    When you see light you are looking at a diode, created at the surface of the object.

    Ambient radiation is bombarding everything in the universe. It keeps it under a constant pressure. You may notice that deep space is actually under a good deal of pressure. Because the atoms are not that large in diameter.

    We can only vacuum out a container some. We never even come close to a perfect vacuum. Because there is still pressure on those atoms left. From ambient radiation.

    There is no need for neutrons, photons, positrons, gluons, mouns, quarks, mesons, or even my favorite pions.

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    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
    In any case - Kalster and I've provided some pointers. Hope they helped...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?
    Vacuum itself would never be directly observed , but indirrectly we can prove its existence .
    People always talk about vacuum and its ramification , but up to now there is no strict definition in physics , what is exactly vacuum in term of math and physics ? what is its physical unit ? what are phsical properties of vacuum ?

    Now by FBTU theory (http://www.universefedback.com/ ) , I'd like to shed some light on it .
    1 , Definition of Vacuum
    Vacuum symbolized as Va is sort of space time structure , its space time configuration (STC) is :
    STC(Va) =|G|m^3 , that is vacuum is consists of 3 dimensional space and an coefficient of |G|=6.67259e-11 .
    its space time value (STV) is :
    STV(Va) =1.0083333333333333...e+93

    2 , Primary property of vacuum

    |G|m^3 is physical unit of vacuum
    It is only most basic physical quantity besides information .
    It means nothing but its space time structure and objectivity.
    That it interacts with information generate universal event and mass.

    3 , Main ramifications of vacuum
    1 , The universe initiated itself by a piece of vacuum |M(G)|Va and an initial information unit s(0,-1)^2 forming a G bubble , which was an completable space time . Along with this G bubble burst , all physical quantities of the unverse come up . Evolution process of the universe is physical process of G bubble being constantly created and burst , that is , vacuum is constantly consumed by information litlle by little .
    Remark :
    |M(G)| = 1 / kg =0.5454545454545454...e-7 .
    STC of information unit is s(i,i-1)^-2 .

    2 , With each bit of vacuum consumed (G bubble creation and burst) , physical quantities of the universe increase accordingly , for instance ,
    mass added : 0.5454545454545454...e-7 kilogram per universal moment.
    length added : :0.4045199174779452…e-34 meter per universal moment.
    time added : 1.3483997249264841…e-43 second per G bubble.
    Remark : an universal moment lasts 1.3483997249264841…e-43 second .
    ..........
    For the above claims , see paper of
    G Bubble Burst / Universal Event Condensed Into Mass
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c8.htm

    3 , By CMBR observation data , I calculated total numbers of G bubble burst at present universal moment , which is equal to :
    7.7577806787995700...e+60 . Called as information modulus of the universe .
    See paper of
    CMBR / Information Modulus of the Universe
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c9.htm

    This number has magic power from which all physical properties of the universe can be calculated out .
    See paper of
    General Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (1)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c10.htm
    and paper of
    Micro Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (2)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c11.htm
    and paper of
    Final Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (3)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c12.htm

    4 , When the piece of vacuum |M(G)|Va is totally consumed , the universe we live will totally disintegrat and collapse , and information of all events happend in the whole evolutinary process of the universe will combine together forming an completable space time exclusively composed of these information , being existence immortalized eternally .
    See paper of
    Spirit of the Universe and the Materialized Universe
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/en/10web.htm


    You can get an clear picture about FBTU symtematically at :

    http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e.htm
    for a series of
    Popularized Version of FBTU / Chapter 1 --- Chapter 19
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    Quote Originally Posted by zhang zhi qiang
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?
    Vacuum itself would never be directly observed , but indirrectly we can prove its existence .
    People always talk about vacuum and its ramification , but up to now there is no strict definition in physics , what is exactly vacuum in term of math and physics ? what is its physical unit ? what are phsical properties of vacuum ?

    Now by FBTU theory (http://www.universefedback.com/ ) , I'd like to shed some light on it .
    1 , Definition of Vacuum
    Vacuum symbolized as Va is sort of space time structure , its space time configuration (STC) is :
    STC(Va) =|G|m^3 , that is vacuum is consists of 3 dimensional space and an coefficient of |G|=6.67259e-11 .
    its space time value (STV) is :
    STV(Va) =1.0083333333333333...e+93

    2 , Primary property of vacuum

    |G|m^3 is physical unit of vacuum
    It is only most basic physical quantity besides information .
    It means nothing but its space time structure and objectivity.
    That it interacts with information generate universal event and mass.

    3 , Main ramifications of vacuum
    1 , The universe initiated itself by a piece of vacuum |M(G)|Va and an initial information unit s(0,-1)^2 forming a G bubble , which was an completable space time . Along with this G bubble burst , all physical quantities of the unverse come up . Evolution process of the universe is physical process of G bubble being constantly created and burst , that is , vacuum is constantly consumed by information litlle by little .
    Remark :
    |M(G)| = 1 / kg =0.5454545454545454...e-7 .
    STC of information unit is s(i,i-1)^-2 .

    2 , With each bit of vacuum consumed (G bubble creation and burst) , physical quantities of the universe increase accordingly , for instance ,
    mass added : 0.5454545454545454...e-7 kilogram per universal moment.
    length added : :0.4045199174779452…e-34 meter per universal moment.
    time added : 1.3483997249264841…e-43 second per G bubble.
    Remark : an universal moment lasts 1.3483997249264841…e-43 second .
    ..........
    For the above claims , see paper of
    G Bubble Burst / Universal Event Condensed Into Mass
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c8.htm

    3 , By CMBR observation data , I calculated total numbers of G bubble burst at present universal moment , which is equal to :
    7.7577806787995700...e+60 . Called as information modulus of the universe .
    See paper of
    CMBR / Information Modulus of the Universe
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c9.htm

    This number has magic power from which all physical properties of the universe can be calculated out .
    See paper of
    General Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (1)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c10.htm
    and paper of
    Micro Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (2)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c11.htm
    and paper of
    Final Physical Property Equation of the Universe / Magic of Information Modulus of the Universe (3)
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e/c12.htm

    4 , When the piece of vacuum |M(G)|Va is totally consumed , the universe we live will totally disintegrat and collapse , and information of all events happend in the whole evolutinary process of the universe will combine together forming an completable space time exclusively composed of these information , being existence immortalized eternally .
    See paper of
    Spirit of the Universe and the Materialized Universe
    at : http://www.universefedback.com/en/10web.htm


    You can get an clear picture about FBTU symtematically at :

    http://www.universefedback.com/popularized_e.htm
    for a series of
    Popularized Version of FBTU / Chapter 1 --- Chapter 19
    Have you ever seen molecules of gas in an ARC. Years ago a guy did some state of the art, high speed video of gas in a plasma. And I was highly impressed when they showed some molecules/atoms swelled to almost 3/16" diameter. That increase is phenomenal. Almost infinitely greater then its original size.

    It made more sense to me, how Roy Grumman was able to fly his rock collector to the moon in four hours time. He kept it under propulsion for a long time. Using this principle.

    Well my point is that the atoms/molecules in deep space are not this large. So we can conclude scientifically that there is still massive amounts of pressure present. Massive amounts of atoms present.

    And since I am from a time and place when and where real scientists that spent their life basically for free, studying, learning and sharing what they knew. Found that ambient radiation was the pressure upon atoms. And that it is required at every second upon every atom that exists, to keep it existing. I am sure any perfect vacuum you create will just be theoretical. And not a scientific proof. Not even in the ball park of science.

    Your vacuum chamber will boil off, disintegrate, if you came anywhere near a perfect vacuum.


    But all the calculations and complexity would make for great science fiction movies.

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    I would like to thank those who gave me valid explanations. Please could a mod lock this thread before it becomes the spamming grounds of the two above me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
    Now don't do that unless you are listening to some damn good thrash metal.

    Let's inject some valium

    Start a new thread?

    I really need his expert advice on this matter concerning the vacuum.

    I always thought the best vacuum, for me, hands down was a Dyson.I've had one for years.
    But now i am wondering if Hoover really has a better suck.

    What do you think William?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
    Now don't do that unless you are listening to some damn good thrash metal.

    Let's inject some valium

    Start a new thread?

    I really need his expert advice on this matter concerning the vacuum.

    I always thought the best vacuum, for me, hands down was a Dyson.I've had one for years.
    But now i am wondering if Hoover really has a better suck.

    What do you think William?
    I bought the ex a Hoover self-propelled for her birthday. I can't say if it sucked better, but I know she hatted it, and me. Ha-ha. Women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
    Now don't do that unless you are listening to some damn good thrash metal.

    Let's inject some valium

    Start a new thread?

    I really need his expert advice on this matter concerning the vacuum.

    I always thought the best vacuum, for me, hands down was a Dyson.I've had one for years.
    But now i am wondering if Hoover really has a better suck.

    What do you think William?
    I bought the ex a Hoover self-propelled for her birthday. I can't say if it sucked better, but I know she hatted it, and me. Ha-ha. Women?

    Sincerely,


    William McCormick
    Self propelled?

    What did she just have to programme it and off it went round the house to do her bidding?

    Or did she ride it?

    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    but I know she hatted it,
    Did she wear it on her head?

    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    and me. Ha-ha. Women?
    Perhaps you should have got her a Dyson?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    I think I am banging my head against a brick wall...
    Now don't do that unless you are listening to some damn good thrash metal.

    Let's inject some valium

    Start a new thread?

    I really need his expert advice on this matter concerning the vacuum.

    I always thought the best vacuum, for me, hands down was a Dyson.I've had one for years.
    But now i am wondering if Hoover really has a better suck.

    What do you think William?
    I bought the ex a Hoover self-propelled for her birthday. I can't say if it sucked better, but I know she hatted it, and me. Ha-ha. Women?

    Sincerely,


    William McCormick
    Self propelled?

    What did she just have to programme it and off it went round the house to do her bidding?

    Or did she ride it?

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    but I know she hatted it,
    Did she wear it on her head?

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    and me. Ha-ha. Women?
    Perhaps you should have got her a Dyson?
    If you pushed it forward it would move forward. If you pulled it back it went back. The handle moved just a quarter inch or so. And that made it go back or forward.

    If it worked in a shop, I would have gotten one for the shop. I liked driving it around.

    She almost hatted me with it. But instead she just hated me. Ha-ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
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    But there is time dialtion, right?

    No there is not such thing. It is a misunderstanding of what takes place in those experiments quoted as proving it.

    Blatant misunderstanding.

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    Er... Yes, Time dilation exists. Time can be dilated by gravity quite easily. For example, just as Light flows, Time flows. Whether they are in seperate dimensions or not is immaterial. On Earth, the maximum amount of time dilation is so slight that many scientists do not account for it--it's only 9 parts in a million or so. However, near large masses such as a supermassive Black Hole, the dilation can be as large as 800,000/1,000,000. Meaning that for every 8 seconds that pass in a location of 0 gravity, 10 seconds pass at the horizon (Last escapable point) of a Black Hole.

    The closer you are to a body of mass which causes gravity to affect objects, the slower time flows.

    So, for every million years that pass at the edge of the Earth's atmosphere........ 1,000,009 pass at the center of the core. 9 parts ouf of a million years, plus the original 1,000,000 = 1,000,009.

    Time dilation is very real, William. And I don't care if this IS my first post here: It's clear from your posts and the reactions of others that you don't know what you're talking about.
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  30. #29 I also belive the vaccum of space cant be totally empthy. 
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    Reason is because its in the same dimension as light moves in a constant.
    The vaccum dont exist everywhere, but are sliced up in a grid pattern.
    Inside the vaccum is what I belive as the microwave background radiation.
    It contains lots of charged particles, but it dont shine, unless light moves next to it.
    Then the photons in the light charge it even higher, in a wavelenght we can see as light. Reason why i belive that light are constant. So when the light photons hits the vaccums highly charged particles even more, we only see it as moving constant, at the velocity of light. Edit: Also i belive that when photons hit it, it could be that the vaccum photons fluctuate into the observable universe, and then after the light dont hit it, it goes back to vaccum, in that "rest" possition.

    Dunno if any of this make any sense. My guess is that only myself understand me
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    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?

    Just discuss and we'll see what happens.

    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.
    Well if you looked at some rules of light, that were rules of science, that were adhered to at one time. You would realize that no one ever said that rays, particles, electrons can travel anywhere without a medium to travel through.

    That is why the big donut magnet was a joke to most. They proposed creating the impossible perfect vacuum, which could not support the transmission of light or any other ray or particle. Which would mean even if they created something, which I doubt. They would not be able to see it. Ha-ha.

    This was a known impossibility in my day. And probably still is in actuality. You just have to keep bringing up the same rules again, again until they remember them. Or they change the rules again to fit their delusions. And a few more good basic scientists see what I see.

    Basically I am saying that a perfect vacuum is not feasible in our universe. This was the basis of understanding matter in my day in my area. Rays cannot travel through space without a medium like hydrogen gas, or some other element or gas.

    That is why Universal Scientists claimed that free electrons border our universe not atoms.

    As electrons travel through air to carry say X-rays. They need a medium or they would just be repelled by any object they first ran into. Never reaching anything. Perhaps never leaving the x-ray machine.

    The rays are actually traveling through balls of electrons protons (atoms), their velocity is maintained to some degree. But if you take away the matter the air. They would not travel anywhere.

    In those test chambers they have trillions and trillions of atoms, left in the chamber after it is brought to a vacuum, a vacuum supported at current levels of surrounding natural radiations and heat. But not even in the realm of a perfect vacuum.

    This is not to mention all the electrons present. Carrying information.

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    What the F does the pressure of a system have to do with the diameter of an atom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xiar

    Er... Yes, Time dilation exists. Time can be dilated by gravity quite easily. For example, just as Light flows, Time flows. Whether they are in seperate dimensions or not is immaterial. On Earth, the maximum amount of time dilation is so slight that many scientists do not account for it--it's only 9 parts in a million or so. However, near large masses such as a supermassive Black Hole, the dilation can be as large as 800,000/1,000,000. Meaning that for every 8 seconds that pass in a location of 0 gravity, 10 seconds pass at the horizon (Last escapable point) of a Black Hole.

    The closer you are to a body of mass which causes gravity to affect objects, the slower time flows.

    So, for every million years that pass at the edge of the Earth's atmosphere........ 1,000,009 pass at the center of the core. 9 parts ouf of a million years, plus the original 1,000,000 = 1,000,009.

    Time dilation is very real, William. And I don't care if this IS my first post here: It's clear from your posts and the reactions of others that you don't know what you're talking about.
    I am in it for the long haul and I am not worried about winning or losing a battle. I have already won the war.

    However your argument that "It's clear from your posts and the reactions of others that you don't know what you're talking about" is a weak argument.

    Just for your future communications you should not attack with something like that. It is actually a sign of weakness on your part. I am just highlighting that for you.

    If you had put "It's clear from your posts that you don't know what you are talking about". It would make you appear to have more conviction.

    You firmly believe in time distillation. What can I say? I am sure it does not exist.

    Because if you look at all that is known about the individual the spirit. You would realize that at any given moment in time. You are somewhere with a unique and totally different outlook then anyone else in the universe. In fact at this moment as you read this you will be the only individual in the universe receiving a communication exactly like this one from me, to you. That moment is unique. You cannot make it slow down, or take it back it is a done deal.

    That is all time is actually. Sure I could make an atomic clock stored in a vault slow down with rays. But the actual time is unaffected just like the space. We can only effect matter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenacity
    Another thing I'd like someone to explain or at least shed some light on. I've heard that there was an experiment to observe a vacuum. When it was observed exotic particles and their anti-matter counterparts appeared and disappeared in quick succession. Is this true and what implications could it have?

    In my mind it seems perfectly logical to assume that this is possible. If you have the particle and it's anti particle their total sum should be zero right?

    Just discuss and we'll see what happens.

    No Mad Monks or McCormicks are allowed to impose ridiculous theories in this thread please. I don't mind if you provide some valid insight but I for one don't like the taste, smell or texture of horse shit.
    Hi Tenacity,

    I'm not sure whether or not you have seen my web space now? I think my definition of the vacuum would provide some answers. I but don't think there are exotic particles and their anti- matter counterparts. Rather, I think there are single masses being atoms formerly that have fallen apart when they had sufficient space again, each for itself.

    And I think of empty spaces originating between these single masses, called zero rooms, which could be seen as their anti-matter counterparts. Please let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cr4sh
    What the F does the pressure of a system have to do with the diameter of an atom?

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    If you excite an atom enough, or take away the ambient radiation that is stabilizing it. Same thing actually. It will expand.



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