Thread: my theory of the flow of time

this is my theory of the relation of thermodynamics in rerlation to the flow of time.

im a kid 15 years of age with no knowledge of anything of consequence.

is it possible that time is the movement of atoms at any givin moment and even the stuff atoms are made of.
and if so by freezing atoms at 0 degreese kelvin wich i think is absolute zero.(not sure)

would that not stop time if even at a local point like a box 3 nanometres squared and is not the movement of atoms thermodynamics so by going below absolute zero would you not revers time.and by heating something beyond all limits making the atoms move faster would you not increase the flow of time this is just what i have been thinking about while i have been sleeping and i was wondering if any1 would debate this point with me. i am open to advice and critisism.

take into consideration i am in grade 8 and failing science.




and does my statement mean that where we are at now with the current speed of atoms or the average that we are at normal speeds of time.

dont make a fuss at my disregard of proper termanology

I wouldn't disregard a young mind with ideas. Ever. The best thing for you to do is learn science (mostly physics) and remember that when you do that that physics can be expanded on. That way you can develop your ideas.

My ideas started from dreams and a few other people I've recently met have had dreams too of strange but interesting things.

Everyone here may (almost everyone) will slander your ideas here, and say something is impossible, but don't listen to the rocks-they'll erode.

If you have any questions I'll be happy to help .

thanks for the advice, ill listen to those who will speak.
and learn from those who will teach.

Originally Posted by maddog67

this is my theory of the relation of thermodynamics in rerlation to the flow of time.

im a kid 15 years of age with no knowledge of anything of consequence.

is it possible that time is the movement of atoms at any givin moment and even the stuff atoms are made of.
and if so by freezing atoms at 0 degreese kelvin wich i think is absolute zero.(not sure)

would that not stop time if even at a local point like a box 3 nanometres squared and is not the movement of atoms thermodynamics so by going below absolute zero would you not revers time.and by heating something beyond all limits making the atoms move faster would you not increase the flow of time this is just what i have been thinking about while i have been sleeping and i was wondering if any1 would debate this point with me. i am open to advice and critisism.

take into consideration i am in grade 8 and failing science.




and does my statement mean that where we are at now with the current speed of atoms or the average that we are at normal speeds of time.

dont make a fuss at my disregard of proper termanology

If you are correct, then since we are in fact made of atoms, are we time?

i like to think of time as existing at a single point. It cant be measured in length nor in speed so wouldn't that suggest that time exists as an origin? Akin to a z axis?

think about it.

Many brilliant physicist bring us knowlege through inspiration and visions, many of these are often received during sleep periods.

We are all children of God, and your God will give you his laws of science continually through out your lifetime, so keep listening and remember this about any new scienctific breakthrough.

No one on earth yet has the information regarding that new scienctific breakthrough, so beware of what you hear, and test everything that anybody tells you, for many provide guesses without any foundation.


Good luck for the future.
David

Originally Posted by davidsf

Many brilliant physicist bring us knowlege through inspiration and visions, many of these are often received during sleep periods.

We are all children of God, and your God will give you his laws of science continually through out your lifetime, so keep listening and remember this about any new scienctific breakthrough.

No one on earth yet has the information regarding that new scienctific breakthrough, so beware of what you hear, and test everything that anybody tells you, for many provide guesses without any foundation.


Good luck for the future.
David

Perhaps we should all wait for a sign from God before we decide to test any new theories? And so indeed, what makes you so sure therefore that the theory is not yet evident?

Perhaps we should all wait for a sign from God before we decide to test any new theories? And so indeed, what makes you so sure therefore that the theory is not yet evident?

Nothing is hidden but just not evidently understood fully yet.

These following are not my statements but Albert Einstein's, he understood when he said:-

Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.

And

I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details..

Here are some more of his wise comments..
http://www.dovada.com/reference_data.htm

Please do not attempt to mock Einstein as well..

It seems that many of those that do well in scientific research have a deep respect for God.

Davidsf

Originally Posted by maddog67

this is my theory of the relation of thermodynamics in rerlation to the flow of time.

im a kid 15 years of age with no knowledge of anything of consequence.

is it possible that time is the movement of atoms at any givin moment and even the stuff atoms are made of.
and if so by freezing atoms at 0 degreese kelvin wich i think is absolute zero.(not sure)

would that not stop time if even at a local point like a box 3 nanometres squared and is not the movement of atoms thermodynamics so by going below absolute zero would you not revers time.and by heating something beyond all limits making the atoms move faster would you not increase the flow of time this is just what i have been thinking about while i have been sleeping and i was wondering if any1 would debate this point with me. i am open to advice and critisism.

take into consideration i am in grade 8 and failing science.




and does my statement mean that where we are at now with the current speed of atoms or the average that we are at normal speeds of time.

dont make a fuss at my disregard of proper termanology

I was thinking along similar lines when reading an article where scientists managed to stop light itself when close to absolute zero. I regarded it as a possibility and stopped thinking about it, since I have little knowledge within the subject

I'm not sure I would see reversing time as a possibility, but perhaps it's possible, and when matter is spread enough due to the expansion of space, maybe time'll reverse and start another big bang or some variation of that. Though I'm not sure how that would happen :?

EDIT:

I might also add that I had a suspicion that heat and cold were correlated with time, though I didn't know exacly how that would make sense.

EDIT 2:

Perhaps the problem with matter freezing when space is expanded well enough can be resolved with black holes? Damn, I'm having a brainstorm...

Originally Posted by davidsf

Many brilliant physicist bring us knowlege through inspiration and visions, many of these are often received during sleep periods.

We are all children of God, and your God will give you his laws of science continually through out your lifetime, so keep listening and remember this about any new scienctific breakthrough.

No one on earth yet has the information regarding that new scienctific breakthrough, so beware of what you hear, and test everything that anybody tells you, for many provide guesses without any foundation.


Good luck for the future.
David

Try not to feel offended or mocked this time, but you have a belief that the "theory" is not evident yet.........why? And yet you warn people about the proposals of the potential theory. You create an eye of the needle. How profound. You speak of Einstein respecting God, yet here you play Jesus.

Hi maddog67,

You may be interested to know that there seems to be a tendancy by some thinkers today that maybe time is not linear or fixed in length.

In fact in some circles they say using elastic time seems to help solve the mystery of the missing mass within the universe.

Personally I believe the uniform flowing motion of atomic mass even in the form of planets and stars may be contributing to the value associated to our time.

Space, Time and resultant gravity appear to be all expressions of the same thing in one way or another. Particles of gas when heated move faster and in reverse the particles are slower when super cooled.

At absolute zero the atom would still remain in motion along with the galaxy and its spin combined with many other vectors like our solar orbital motion.

The atoms only noticable affect is maybe, relative to you it may cease to move, but you and the atom always continue to remain in cosmic motion, traveling at some hundreds of thousands of meters per second.

I dont believe absolute zero would overcome this flowing comic motion of matter, and subsequently cannot overcome the resultant local cosmic flow of local time.

Best I can contribute at this time.

David

Originally Posted by maddog67

im a kid 15 years of age with no knowledge of anything of consequence.

take into consideration i am in grade 8 and failing science.

Quite simply, time is used as a measuring tool. It has no effect on any physical process whatsoever.

Does that help?

Here's what I think about you failing science ----> :x

For a young man like yourself to think he might fail science, UTTER CRAP! You will only fail if you give into other peoples opinions of yourself, keep up the pondering!

Independent inquiry is needed in your search for the truth, not the dependance on anyone else's view or a mere book! :wink:

Quite simply, time is used as a measuring tool. It has no effect on any physical process whatsoever.

When you look through space (which has dimension) you are also looking through time (which also must have dimensions).

Without time, space could not exist, without space, time could not exist.

Time is much more than a measuring tool. A life without time is meaningless.

An open mind opens doors, while a closed mind closes doors.

Keep your mind open maddog67

David

davesf, the OP's question doesn't have anything to do with religion. Please don't misrepresent Einstein. The man himself responded to all the people that were saying that he believed in the God from the Bible.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

also

"neither the rule of human nor Divine Will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be refuted … by science, for [it] can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot."

from Albert Einstein, in a letter March 24, 1954; from Albert Einstein the Human Side, Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, eds., Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1981, p. 43.
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/..._einstein.html

It's very obvious that Einstein did not believe in a personal God. By the way, you conveniently left off the rest of one of your quotes so it would support your agument.

"[E]ven though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other" there are "strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies … science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind … a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist."

davidsf, are you trying to say that theists are better than atheists at science?

I never said Einstein believed in God or not, nor did I misquote him.

All I said about Einstein was

he understood when he said

but people enjoy twisting things around to suit yourselves.

Statements of Einstein's like

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated

tells me that people were making statements about Einstein's religious convictions by misinterpreting his meanings in his statements.

So that there is no missunderstanding "I believe in the power of God" and what you believe, in is entirely up to you only.

This forum is not the place for this discussion on religious beliefs and if you wish to discuss this further - choose another forum as this off subject.

David

Originally Posted by Cold Fusion

davidsf, are you trying to say that religious people are better than atheists at science?

No... We receive what we receive even the atheists receive. It is probably much later in life when the atheists start to question where those thoughts came from.

David

i came up with my theory in my sleep the day after my 8th grade science teacher tought us about the changes in the 3 states of matter(not including plasma(the fourth state of matter)),(we used water as an example)when water is in gas its atoms are moving rapidly,when in a liquid state they slow down,and when in a solid state they are just slowly shaking in place. i thought of time as the continuation of the universe from the start of a journey to its destination. or as the measurement of passing events. by continuation of the universe i was talking about how all the atoms that make up the universe represented as 1, moving as 1, in a chain reaction since the big bang. 1 reacting with anougher in an impossibly organised matter in wich they are still moving away and together interacting with 1 anougher, (i heard this on the national geographical chanel (it was a medical show) i interpreted a medical show where they said that all of our emotions and feelings and stuff is a chemical reaction in our brains)

and i thought that on a very basic level that is 1 molecule or atom or something reacting with one anougher, and that you could even fortell the fate and past of the universe if you knew where every atom is and what forces are influencing them and just reversing them like in a simple math problem like where you have the answer but not one of the other numbers. and if you could make the calculations fast enough than you could tell the future in general.(just my opinion on my theory)(i might be wrong but i might not) well just thought that might help.




I WAS NOT IMPLYING HOW TO TIME TRAVEL.

IF YOU WANTED TO USE MY THEORY AS AN TIME TRAVLE THEORY IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE like a enclosed room not effected by the tempreture change and everything else in the universe being frozen to 0K
and the room would defrost the universe and then the room would be in the future relative to everything else so if you walked into the room you would be in the future.(that doesnt make sence does it ) because if time is a measurement of the universe than the universe is still at the same point in time just somethings have not aged as long as a cirtain part.




(SORRY FOR MY LONG POST WITH BAD GRAMMAR AND PUNCTUATION)

i would like to thank all of you for your helpful support.it realy helps in the heart and gives confidence.(but with confidence comes arrogance,wich is why we must realize our actions and learn, as to who we realy are,some1 once said "the hardest person to realy know is yourself.")