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  1. #1 is "experiment" a flawed process? 
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    CAN REASON be BASED on observation?

    Can we derive an understanding of space-time from observation ALONE?

    Can reason DESCRIBE observation?

    Is our ability to OBSERVE a structure of REASON?

    If NOT, what is that LIMIT……………….and what is the LIMIT therefore to EXPERIMENT…………TO OBSERVATION?

    I asked myself (that question), and I found the answer: our neuroanatomy suggests "reason", the processes of reason, is mutually exclusive to our ability to "observe", to observation.

    Reason and OBSERVATION are mutually exclusive to one another.

    My point: it is impossible to depend on experiment to DESCRIBE with REASON space-time, meaning what we observe of space-time is inheritently flawed to a certain extend, including what we perceive of the stars.


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    Tell us what the stars are, Stream Systems.


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    According to factoring in the inherent "malalignment" of reason and observation, the stars represent something we observe that we will never be able to fully reason "properly", but that should not stop us allowing ourselves "theorising" space-time according to a basic and fundamental code of logic.
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    According to factoring in the inherent "malalignment" of reason and observation, the stars represent something we observe that we will never be able to fully reason "properly", but that should not stop us allowing ourselves "theorising" space-time according to a basic and fundamental code of logic.
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    (I don't know how that repeated itself)
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    Quote Originally Posted by streamSystems
    According to factoring in the inherent "malalignment" of reason and observation, the stars represent something we observe that we will never be able to fully reason "properly", but that should not stop us allowing ourselves "theorising" space-time according to a basic and fundamental code of logic.
    Ah, fantasizing over experimenting. Yeah, that'll work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by streamSystems
    (I don't know how that repeated itself)
    I thought you were the one who claimed there were two dimensions to time. It is therefore logical that posts would be duplicated into each of the two time streams, dimensionally speaking. What is peculiar is that not all posts have yet, or were not yet had been, duplicated in the same way. How do you account for that SS?
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    (you weren't suppose to say that)
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    But now that I have said it, what is your answer?

    And, what exactly are the stars. Don't prevaricate. Do you accept that the stars are incandescent spheres of gas within which nuclear reactions provide energy?
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    There not, they are actualy the souls of our dead heros, thrust into the sky by the greek gods (the greeks have been coming up an awful lot lately) to preserve their memories.
    Here's the problem with questions like "what would we see if we traveled faster than the speed of light". Since the rules that govern the universe as we understand them do not allow for such a possibility, to imagine such an event forces us to abandon those rules. But that leaves us no guide by which to answer the question. We have no idea as to what rules to replace them with, and we can't give an answer. - Janus
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    When i was a kid, my mother told me the universe was like a giant cardboard box, and the stars were breathing holes poked in by god.
    "First we build the tools, then they build us" - Marshall McLuhan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    But now that I have said it, what is your answer?

    And, what exactly are the stars. Don't prevaricate. Do you accept that the stars are incandescent spheres of gas within which nuclear reactions provide energy?

    An observation that is similar that of our own sun?

    Yes.

    But, would you care to comment on the idea that our ability to observe is mutually exclusive to our ability to reason, and what the implications there are of that feature to our being "conscious"?

    We could all see fuzzy-wuzzy the bear differently, like nearly EVERY astro-physicist alive has a different theory on the stars to one another (although they agree generally about certain features of the stars). I would like people to comment on the real weight of my question, to handle that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    When i was a kid, my mother told me the universe was like a giant cardboard box, and the stars were breathing holes poked in by god.
    No wonder you don't believe in God :|. Mine was the real deal, too much for my mind to get so I went on as if to say, ok whatever.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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