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  1. #1 Moderating "Physics" 
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    Or Mathematics, for that matter.

    What's going on here? Can't the mods see that these sub-fora are degenerating, like, big time? Sensible questions, attempted answers are met with what? Near pornography, in some cases, near insanity in others. In every such case, nothing to do with the subjects at issue.

    If this can't be stopped, then I'm off. No loss, I hear you say? Fine with me

    Come on, moderators, do your job.


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    No loss.

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    I third... not that I've been here that long..... but....thirded nonetheless
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    I second the bye. Dont forget your lunch pale and copy of drama magazine.
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    don't forget to write.

    No, c'mon, guitarist, cmaybe you can help me: "what equations point to the curvature of space-time".
    Does a theory of everything therefore need to be purely theoretical and only account for the known laws and forces in handling the improbability of fortune telling?

    the www feature below can explain it better.
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    I'm going to have to side with Guitarist on this one. It's almost impossible to get a straight answer anymore because of a few specific individuals that derail nearly every thread. I won't name names, but I'm sure everyone knows what I'm talking about.
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    If you look at each of the threads, if a specific question is made for a specific answer relevant to the posted subject, usually that goes according to a sensible plan.

    When a post is offered with a type of "come one and come all" title, it makes for an interesting and sometimes entertaining forum.

    I have noticed that most of the trouble comes from hagglers sitting on the fence without anything sincere or serious to post, kids just having fun.

    I wouldn't ask Guitarist a serious question if I didn't respect his understanding of mathematics. My question still stands, relevant to this thread.

    Through time, it becomes each of us has a type of theme we seek an answer to, and in my case, I am in search of the equations relevant to the curvature of space-time, actually "relevant directly" to the idea space-time is "curved". I am, because it seems to me science is fast becoming a delicatessan of nicely worded theories as opposed to real equations of proof. As you would guess, I am skeptical about the current existence of those equations, and so when I make a post, I may make statements that apear to tear down decades of thoughtful research, but all I am doing is highlighting to all the good people of this forum not to get lost in words, but to keep the equations RELEVANT and REAL.

    I have my own agenda, the www feature and associated theory, but I don't bash people with it. I find it interesting that those who have said they've looked at it say it is "badly written". I guess when it is translated into Canton, and used without hesitation, I will look back and realize that the english language had wrongly surpassed real science in terms of street credibility.

    I have an idea. Why don't all the usual suspects post their intentions in this forum, as I have here. Why don't all the usual suspect make their presence known, the why, the what for. Then we will better understand where we are all coming from. Otherwise, let's just continue to try to make sense of our "jargon" with one another.
    Does a theory of everything therefore need to be purely theoretical and only account for the known laws and forces in handling the improbability of fortune telling?

    the www feature below can explain it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist
    Or Mathematics, for that matter.

    What's going on here? Can't the mods see that these sub-fora are degenerating, like, big time? Sensible questions, attempted answers are met with what? Near pornography, in some cases, near insanity in others. In every such case, nothing to do with the subjects at issue.

    If this can't be stopped, then I'm off. No loss, I hear you say? Fine with me

    Come on, moderators, do your job.
    With Guitarist here. I just sort of view it as "well, that's the science forum". The quality just isn't too high right now. It's kind of why I made my suggestion in the site suggestions forum.
    But there is a lot more garbage being posted than usual, that's for sure.
    I think in terms of Guitarists point specifically, stricter moderation would be sufficient though. For example in a physics forum if you are going to answer something autoritatively it should be a conventional answer even if you don't personally agree with it. It's a science forum and a physics subforum - someone posting stuff about the BB being false or posting their pet philosophies on time really has no place except in specific threads devoted to those topics.
    If someone posts a question about physics it's safe to assume they want an answer consistent with mainstream physics. No one gives a crap about woowoo theories when looking for conventional answers.

    Also, don't go anywhere Guitarist. I don't post much in the math forum because a lot of formal math goes over my head but I do read most of it and it's good to have highly knowledgable people around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist
    What's going on here? Can't the mods see that these sub-fora are degenerating, like, big time?
    They are up, they are down. What would you like? Shall we chuck out StreamSystems, and Mike NS? And half a dozen others? It is not my forum - I take a laissez faire approach to posts. If I don't like something on another forum I ignore it, or the poster. I appreciate that won't work for everyone.

    I'd like nothing better than a forum that contained solid, hard discussions of cutting edge science, along with thoughtful answers to the genuinely curious, coupled with the occasional lighthearted exchange of wit.

    I've returned to the moderator role because, yes, for a time we seemed to be without moderation. I do not consider myself suited to moderating some aspects of the physics forum: current physics is sufficiently weird that I can only try to distinguish the nutters from solid citizens not by what they say, but by the way they say it. That, to me, is less than ideal.

    So, I don't have any answers. I have urged Homo Universalis to appoint specific moderators to specific forums. He is not in favour of this. I'm just one of you guys who is trying to help out at the coal face by shining an occasional flashlight where it's needed, or clearing away some of the dross. I'm not a full scale, integrated mining company.

    I hope you'll stay. Your contributions are important to the forum. I hope you'll pm me when you see things you think are wrong. As always suggestions are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist
    What's going on here? Can't the mods see that these sub-fora are degenerating, like, big time?
    They are up, they are down. What would you like? Shall we chuck out StreamSystems, and Mike NS? And half a dozen others? It is not my forum - I take a laissez faire approach to posts. If I don't like something on another forum I ignore it, or the poster. I appreciate that won't work for everyone.
    They are welcome additions to the forum IMO - however there is a time and a place for them to post their ideas when they differ from the mainstream. EVERY THREAD (or at least, every thread they choose to post in) is absolutely NOT the appropriate place to be spouting off their ideas and that is the problem that I personally have with them atm. If someone asks a physics question it is inappropriate to answer based on their OWN ideas of space/time/physics unless they make it clear that it is not a mainstream/consensus answer in any way, shape, or form.
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    Once again, I have been misunderstood. Let me make my position plain:

    I have absolutely no objection to , er, "out-of-the-box" thinkers on this forum. None. In fact I oppose censorship in (almost) all its forms.

    But if I see a genuine request for information/help, and if I spend 10 or 20 minutes composing a thought-out response, whether or not it's right (often it's not), and if, in the meantime the out of the box thinkers jam the air waves, so to speak, I worry whether the questioner knows who to believe. And, from a purely self-interested point of view, whether they will get to my response and whether I have wasted my time.

    I know that sounds selfish of me, but I take no pleasure in wasting my time, here or in anything else.The difference is, of course, this is a leisure-time activity for me, so if it's wasted, there's no point.

    See what I mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist


    then I'm off. No loss, I hear you say? Fine with me
    Stay on the Forum and I echo the remark that your contributions are important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist

    See what I mean?
    Fair point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist
    Once again, I have been misunderstood. Let me make my position plain:

    I have absolutely no objection to , er, "out-of-the-box" thinkers on this forum. None. In fact I oppose censorship in (almost) all its forms.

    But if I see a genuine request for information/help, and if I spend 10 or 20 minutes composing a thought-out response, whether or not it's right (often it's not), and if, in the meantime the out of the box thinkers jam the air waves, so to speak, I worry whether the questioner knows who to believe. And, from a purely self-interested point of view, whether they will get to my response and whether I have wasted my time.

    I know that sounds selfish of me, but I take no pleasure in wasting my time, here or in anything else.The difference is, of course, this is a leisure-time activity for me, so if it's wasted, there's no point.

    See what I mean?
    I like your explained position. Also agree on censorship and only question the thought of waisting time.

    I have never appreciated Ophi's general attitude. There should be some way to politely call folks names, which as you, take time out of their day to post. Ophi, mentioned Mike NS who, briefly, does not accept Big Bang Theory and has his own views on the Universe. He has spent many hours on this forum, trying to get folks to look at views other than BB. Then we recently had a New Member, I am Joseph, ironically also from Australia, who feels the Old Testament is his guide for understanding the Universe.
    On another forum, I have spent hours trying to convince him where his/her understandings are not correct. Intellectually IAJ and Mike have what it takes to argue with anyone. There are more examples but for now, but they have moved on to other forums. I expect IAJ & Mike will also...

    Keep in mind your reply to a poster is read by many others. My hours with IAJ, have not been in vain. Many have joined in during the past year creating new threads and other discussion. In this case I read the post that lead to Ophi's, not impressed, but then reading on, became impressed. Right or wrong, doubt that often wrong, you may spark a thought for some one hop-scotching through Science Forums...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    I have urged Homo Universalis to appoint specific moderators to specific forums. He is not in favour of this.
    Yes, well, you and I have discussed this before; whatever has he against the idea? It's no skin off his nose if others are willing to moderate fora they feel they are sufficiently expert in, which could be grouped in some fairly reasonable way. What's it to him, if others are willing freely to devote their spare time on that?

    I don't get it.

    Maybe he would like to explain his reasons publicly.

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    I like your explained position. Also agree on censorship and only question the thought of waisting time.

    I have never appreciated Ophi's general attitude.
    Thanks for your "support" jackson (is this a campaign? I hope not). But I cannot agree with you about Ophiolite's so-called "attitude". I count him as one of the good guys.
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    I n'th the request (i'm too lazy to count lol). If Homo Universalis doesn't want moderators perhaps we could have an "expert group" which could be counted on to give authoritative mainline answers to questions (something similar to the expert and helper awards on the physicsforum perhaps?)
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    Good idea. Then random thought spouters like me could get answers that make sense! It would be good to know if the reply is made by someone with some credibility.
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    I do not consider Ophi a bad guy...Just that all people who join in on any thread are not at his level. No matter how a post reads, the poster in MOST (not all) cases, are sincere in their efforts. To sincerely give some viewpoint and be told your (pick a word), will do nothing for the person seeking information or for that matter, trying to discuss an original idea if only original to that person. Just my opinion...

    No Guitarist, I am not on a campaign. Frankly with the exception of the Business forum, I rarely post here anymore. I do check in, almost daily to follow that topic and look for a post by Mega, who I had grown to like....
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