I know this has come up in recent threads, but i think i'm going in a different direction with it here...
Could the attraction between, say, protons and electrons be due to a particle with the same idea as a graviton?
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I know this has come up in recent threads, but i think i'm going in a different direction with it here...
Could the attraction between, say, protons and electrons be due to a particle with the same idea as a graviton?
youre a bit late this idea is already thought of and the messager particle is photons in this case
You know, I really dislike the whole idea of "messenger particles". It's just so totally the wrong concept. A non-answer pretending to be an answer.
why dont you like it? it has been proven except for the graviton wich we yet dont know if it exists or not. I see no problem in particles messaging the force
The concept implies to somebody like Chemboy that there's a sleeting storm of tiny "billard ball" photons flying around the two magnets he's holding apart. Or that a maelstrom of microscopic gravitons is battering him towards the ground. IMHO it paints the wrong picture, and the right picture involves topology and quanta of topological defect.
dont imagen it as pictures, it just cause problems
People want pictures, Zelos. If you can't give them a picture, they'll go elsewhere looking for one. Then they'll get the wrong picture.
picture in physics are bad since they rarly explain the phenomena correct. its only classical physics that acctualy can be explained with pictures. Thats the reason i abonded thinking in pictures a long time agoOriginally Posted by Farsight
OK, explain to me without reference to pictures the behaviour of sub-atomic particles in a bubble chamber.Originally Posted by Zelos
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Zelos, I am surprised, do you really not know what a bubble chamber is?
http://rkb.home.cern.ch/rkb/PH14pp/node17.htmlOriginally Posted by cern
thanks for saying that. now i'll be sure not to develop wrong pictures in my head. please don't assume that because i'm not super-educated in this kind of thing that i can't grasp more advanced ideas or whatever... that's just kind of what i got from you saying that, sorry if i took it the wrong way. i'll be careful not to look at gravity as "gravitons battering me toward the ground." (not that i did before)Originally Posted by Farsight
good, then dont think in picturesnow i'll be sure not to develop wrong pictures in my head
If you can't get the picture chemboy, and if Zelos can't explain it by some other means, there's something wrong. I thought this was an interesting essay:
http://www.geocities.com/gssandhu_19...hatailsfrp.htm
Zelos, you read it too. It's important.
i rarly speaks in pictures since they are mostly miss leading
Isnt that a particle detector similar to modern steam chambers except with erm, bubbles instead and you just like follow the route of popping bubbles ?
(at a guess)
interestingOriginally Posted by Farsight
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