Thread: charge-charge attraction

I know this has come up in recent threads, but i think i'm going in a different direction with it here...

Could the attraction between, say, protons and electrons be due to a particle with the same idea as a graviton?

youre a bit late this idea is already thought of and the messager particle is photons in this case

You know, I really dislike the whole idea of "messenger particles". It's just so totally the wrong concept. A non-answer pretending to be an answer.

why dont you like it? it has been proven except for the graviton wich we yet dont know if it exists or not. I see no problem in particles messaging the force

The concept implies to somebody like Chemboy that there's a sleeting storm of tiny "billard ball" photons flying around the two magnets he's holding apart. Or that a maelstrom of microscopic gravitons is battering him towards the ground. IMHO it paints the wrong picture, and the right picture involves topology and quanta of topological defect.

dont imagen it as pictures, it just cause problems

People want pictures, Zelos. If you can't give them a picture, they'll go elsewhere looking for one. Then they'll get the wrong picture.

Originally Posted by Farsight

People want pictures, Zelos. If you can't give them a picture, they'll go elsewhere looking for one. Then they'll get the wrong picture.

picture in physics are bad since they rarly explain the phenomena correct. its only classical physics that acctualy can be explained with pictures. Thats the reason i abonded thinking in pictures a long time ago

Originally Posted by Zelos

Originally Posted by Farsight

People want pictures, Zelos. If you can't give them a picture, they'll go elsewhere looking for one. Then they'll get the wrong picture.

picture in physics are bad since they rarly explain the phenomena correct. its only classical physics that acctualy can be explained with pictures. Thats the reason i abonded thinking in pictures a long time ago

OK, explain to me without reference to pictures the behaviour of sub-atomic particles in a bubble chamber.

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Zelos, I am surprised, do you really not know what a bubble chamber is?

Originally Posted by cern

A particle detector of major importance during the initial years of high-energy physics. The bubble chamber has produced a wealth of physics from about 1955 well into the 1970s.

http://rkb.home.cern.ch/rkb/PH14pp/node17.html

Originally Posted by Farsight

People want pictures, Zelos. If you can't give them a picture, they'll go elsewhere looking for one. Then they'll get the wrong picture.

thanks for saying that. now i'll be sure not to develop wrong pictures in my head. please don't assume that because i'm not super-educated in this kind of thing that i can't grasp more advanced ideas or whatever... that's just kind of what i got from you saying that, sorry if i took it the wrong way. i'll be careful not to look at gravity as "gravitons battering me toward the ground." (not that i did before)

now i'll be sure not to develop wrong pictures in my head

good, then dont think in pictures

If you can't get the picture chemboy, and if Zelos can't explain it by some other means, there's something wrong. I thought this was an interesting essay:

http://www.geocities.com/gssandhu_19...hatailsfrp.htm

Zelos, you read it too. It's important.

i rarly speaks in pictures since they are mostly miss leading

Have you worked out what a bubble chamber is yet?

Isnt that a particle detector similar to modern steam chambers except with erm, bubbles instead and you just like follow the route of popping bubbles ?

(at a guess)

Originally Posted by Farsight

If you can't get the picture chemboy, and if Zelos can't explain it by some other means, there's something wrong. I thought this was an interesting essay:

http://www.geocities.com/gssandhu_19...hatailsfrp.htm

Zelos, you read it too. It's important.

interesting