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  1. #1 If you don't like dark matter... 
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    ... you are going to hate dark photons:
    Connecting the visible universe with dark matter | symmetry magazine


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    If you don't like dark matter...
    ...then find yourself another universe, coz this one doesn't care what you like or what not


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    It's pretty convenient that dark matter, dark energy, dark flow, and dark photons perfectly seal up the cracks between theory and observation =3

    Until we get some concrete evidence on the existence of any of this, the only Dark thing I believe in is Dark Souls.

    I look forward to seeing the results of their experiment =)
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    Man, Dark Souls was a hectic game...

    I don't think there's any doubt that that there is "stuff" out there that hasn't been classified yet. The dark matter and dark energy names, I thought, were place holders until that "stuff" was classified.

    Anyway, heavy photons? Would that imply photons with mass? Sounds nice and strange.
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    I'm cool with them being placeholders. Sometimes I hear people talk about them like they are more than just placeholders for "things we don't yet understand, but that have this apparent effect".

    Really though, do we need to classify everything we don't understand as Dark Stuff? It's pretty damned silly if you ask me.

    It would also seem to have the negative effect of suggesting that all current theories are correct, and it's not that the theory needs work, but rather there's just something out there that fits into the theory that we don't know enough about.

    By taking the neutral stance of not defining things such as dark matter, dark energy, dark spaghetti sauce... we leave it open to a problem with the theory OR something we don't know enough about.

    That to me, seems like a proper scientific approach.

    Dark stuff just reeks to me of marketing and the like.

    Maybe though... maybe it's just to watch the psuedo-scientists and religious-scientists dance around like nutters trying to fit the latest science into their ideas. =3

    By the way, did you know that the soul is made of dark energy and is quantum in size, and communicates to other souls via dark photons? No wonder that game is called Dark Souls. Someone is trying to send us a message!

    The furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten.
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    I don't have a problem with it. It's just a name, after all. The name has no bearing on what it actually turns out to be in the long run. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a little sensible marketing either. What's wrong with getting more folk interested in science?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsus View Post
    I don't have a problem with it. It's just a name, after all. The name has no bearing on what it actually turns out to be in the long run. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a little sensible marketing either. What's wrong with getting more folk interested in science?
    I suppose that's a solid argument. Do the benefits of getting more people interested in science, outweigh the detriment of possibly throwing people off track?
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    Well, if you're not misleading from the beginning. If you're making it as clear as possible that dark matter isn't really a specific thing, but merely a placeholder for a known gap in our knowledge. Something like, "Exciting, new, as-yet undiscovered stuff lies in that direction."

    Keep in mind that it's rarely a scientist causing the misunderstanding, but usually a journalist or other layperson taking the concept and running in the wrong direction with it. Although I guess giving it a name like that might make it easier for that to happen.
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    I present Michio Kaku.
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    I like Michio Kaku. I respect any scientists putting themselves out in the public spotlight, because there definitely aren't enough doing it.

    I think this branch of the discussion is going to dissolve into "I think this guy is misleading." - "Well I don't think he is being misleading." at this point.
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    He told a kid who asked him a question once, "shut up kid". I think that began my distaste for him. That, and String Theory. I don't see any merit in it. I think that's where most of my problem with him lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    The link in the OP to Physical Review Letters, is very interesting.
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    I know, right?

    I want an electron beam to play with. That would be cool.

    But yes, dark photons or heavy photons. Would it even be a photon if it had mass, and decays? Are they suggesting something like a dark-matter gauge boson, and they're just calling it a dark photon because it sounds cool?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsus View Post
    I want an electron beam to play with. That would be cool.
    And potentially pretty dangerous, depending on how energetic they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Hanke View Post
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    I want an electron beam to play with. That would be cool.
    And potentially pretty dangerous, depending on how energetic they are.
    Yeah, probably a whole other level to the emitter behind a CRT...
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