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    In Six Easy Pieces, Richard Feynman said


    If, in some cataclysm, all of scientific knowledge were to be destroyed, and only one sentence passed on to the next generation of creatures, what statement would contain the most information in the fewest words?


    I believe it is the atomic hypothesis that all things are made of atoms.


    In that one sentence, you will see, there is an enormous amount of information about the world, if just a little imagination and thinking are applied.



    If such a cataclysm actually occurred, and you could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge for a future race, what would it be?


    "For the rest of my life I will reflect on what light is." - Albert E.
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    You could just remove all the full stops from the Encyclopaedia Britannica...

    or: "Don't touch that!"


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    It's a strange question because you wouldn't want to preserve a piece of information that required too much scientific knowledge to understand. Saying the universe is comprised of atoms wouldn't mean much to someone who doesn't know what atoms are.

    If I had to put a single sentence on my headstone, it would probably be, "Delete my browser history."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    It's a strange question because you wouldn't want to preserve a piece of information that required too much scientific knowledge to understand. Saying the universe is comprised of atoms wouldn't mean much to someone who doesn't know what atoms are.
    Or "universe" or "the". There is an implicit assumption that (somehow) the recipients of the message know the meanings of the words

    See also: other thread on how you would pass on information. Now all we need to answer is "why" ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    If such a cataclysm actually occurred, and you could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge for a future race, what would it be?
    The technical manual describing the following.

    With two extended fingers from one hand, swiftly insert them into the socket where the visual organ belonging to the peeping tom resides, whilst grasping a sharp and preferably bladed tool in your other hand, wield it in your palm with your thumb resting along the blunt end of it's ridge like spine applying enough pressure to allow the bladed tool to incise roughly half an inch deep, penetrating the skin and into the jugular vein in one quick slicing motion.
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    @PhDemon yeah I shortened it for brevity

    @Strange let's say they would be able to understand


    @scoobydoo lol what a weird response
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoobydoo1 View Post
    With two extended fingers from one hand, swiftly insert them into the socket where the visual organ belonging to the peeping tom resides, whilst grasping a sharp and preferably bladed tool in your other hand, wield it in your palm with your thumb resting along the blunt end of it's ridge like spine applying enough pressure to allow the bladed tool to incise roughly half an inch deep, penetrating the skin and into the jugular vein in one quick slicing motion.
    Man, you are one sick dude; that is seriously wrong: you know you don't use an apostrophe with possessive "its".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    It's a strange question because you wouldn't want to preserve a piece of information that required too much scientific knowledge to understand. Saying the universe is comprised of atoms wouldn't mean much to someone who doesn't know what atoms are.
    Or "universe" or "the". There is an implicit assumption that (somehow) the recipients of the message know the meanings of the words

    See also: other thread on how you would pass on information. Now all we need to answer is "why" ...
    Interesting. So, assuming knowledge of the language, are we assuming they have methods of observation beyond our built-in biological equipment? Something like bacteria or especially atoms require special instruments to observe or measure. Should we assume technology has been limited after this cataclysm? Am I taking this too seriously?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
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    It's a strange question because you wouldn't want to preserve a piece of information that required too much scientific knowledge to understand. Saying the universe is comprised of atoms wouldn't mean much to someone who doesn't know what atoms are.
    Or "universe" or "the". There is an implicit assumption that (somehow) the recipients of the message know the meanings of the words

    See also: other thread on how you would pass on information. Now all we need to answer is "why" ...



    Interesting. So, assuming knowledge of the language, are we assuming they have methods of observation beyond our built-in biological equipment? Something like bacteria or especially atoms require special instruments to observe or measure. Should we assume technology has been limited after this cataclysm? Am I taking this too seriously?
    A little. But just focus on the info you think is essential.
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    how to make a fire
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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveworlds View Post
    how to make a fire
    Oh yeah!

    Not what I had in mind, but fire marked the point when mankind progressed to civilization. The story of Prometheus.
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    So they have knowledge of language, but not fire?

    I'm confused by this thread.

    Granted, shiny things often confuse me, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    So they have knowledge of language, but not fire?

    I'm confused by this thread.

    Granted, shiny things often confuse me, but still...
    Maybe a rock engraved "comic strip" that teaches the cavemen how to make fire.

    Don't need to be too concerned with the practicalities lol
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    I would go with something related to steam engines, and the fact that they are actually useful (Damn Greeks building the Aeolipile and then leaving it to rust in some corner). If I could condense the three principles of thermodynamics and how to start working on a steam engine in a single sentence, that'd be it.

    Also, if the non-existence of a deity ever becomes canon scientific knowledge, It would be that, clearly. Oh how much good it would've done to have a trustworthy "edict" telling us not to waste time in divinity.
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    Perhaps it is a bit of a stretch to call it "one thing", but I feel the most important piece of scientific knowledge is the scientific method itself.

    From Wikipedia: "The overall process involves making conjectures (hypotheses), deriving predictions from them as logical consequences, and then carrying out experiments based on those predictions to determine whether the original conjecture was correct."

    Evolving a method to distinguish objective truth from subjective opinion is crucial.
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    I'd leave a message in English that taught them how to speak English so they could read my message about speaking English.
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    I liked start a fire. I liked write it down. I would have liked something about the germ theory of disease, maybe, "Wash your Hands!" But perhaps the best would be something directed toward teaching the scientific method. "Do a test".
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    If I could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge, it would be... the true mechanism of motion.

    My reason is because nothing happens without motion, and I believe motion is the key to figuring out all things in Physics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    If I could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge, it would be... the true mechanism of motion.
    Huh?
    What do you define as "the true mechanism of motion"?

    My reason is because nothing happens without motion, and I believe motion is the key to figuring out all things in Physics.
    How does motion explain, for example, gravity?
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    I don't know the true mechanism of motion. It's just that I think knowing what it is would be the key to unlocking understanding of everything else since all things are in constant motion. It seems to be the most universal of all phenomena.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    I don't know the true mechanism of motion. It's just that I think knowing what it is would be the key to unlocking understanding of everything else since all things are in constant motion. It seems to be the most universal of all phenomena.
    In other words you're just making things up.
    And your answer was nothing whatsoever to do with science and therefore wasn't actually a valid response to the question.
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    The statement I would consider the most important to leave to scientific posterity would be; The sum of the squares of the lengths of the two legs of a right angle triangle is equal to the square of the length of the hypotenuse. Hopefully it doesn't take too long for someone to figure out that the sum of all the interior angles of any triangle in the Euclidean plane is always equal to one Pi radians.
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    I would never use that sentence, and am honestly surprised Feynmann would say so.

    No, the Sentence I would give is:


    Nothing is false, until proven false by experimentation.


    The rest of physics will follow by itself.
    In the information age ignorance is a choice.
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    I'll give a "like" to the first person who can write a 3 page sentence embodying the bulk of current scientific knowledge(extensive use of paranthetical phrases will be allowed), however beware the dreaded "run on sentence" because that confusion could entangle that which you would comminicate with unweildly rubbish, but fear not the inclusion of exclusitivity when delineating theory from factual observations of that for which you have no adaquate phraseology.

    alternately:
    Be succinct
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    write a 3 page sentence
    Please don't do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil View Post
    The statement I would consider the most important to leave to scientific posterity would be - snip
    Yeah, unfortunately that's a mathematical statement, not a scientific one, and contributes very little to scientific understanding of the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    And your answer was nothing whatsoever to do with science and therefore wasn't actually a valid response to the question.
    So you are saying the true mechanism of motion has nothing whatsoever to do with science?

    I'm sure it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    So you are saying the true mechanism of motion has nothing whatsoever to do with science?
    No.
    What I'm saying is that your phrase "true mechanism of motion" is, in and of itself, nonsense.
    Being nonsense it's therefore not science.

    I'm sure it does.
    Well of course you're sure.
    Despite the fact that you have no idea what you actually mean.
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    You have the right to your opinion about my answer... no matter how wrong your opinion is.

    And to point something out to you... whether or not my answer is acceptable would not be up to you, but up to the person who asked the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    You have the right to your opinion about my answer.
    Sure.
    I also "have the right" to point out that your post is nonsense. Which is NOT an opinion.

    And to point something out to you... whether or not my answer is acceptable would not be up to you, but up to the person who asked the question.
    Oh, wrong again.
    The topic is, after all, science.
    Which is not what your post concerns.
    Science is not a matter of opinion, nor is it decided by, for example, the OP of a thread.
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    You can't be "wrong" regarding an answer to "What piece of scientific knowledge would you leave behind?", but you can be wrong in your assumptions as to how that scientific mechanism works.

    For instance, saying, "I would leave behind the knowledge of fire" is not inherently wrong. Following it up with, "Because fire is made by microscopic fire genies" would be wrong.
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    You can be wrong if your answer to "what scientific knowledge would you leave?" is "how ghosts have sex".
    Simply because that answer is NEITHER scientific NOR knowledge.
    Inventing a term (while also being unable to explain what it means) hardly constitutes a piece of scientific knowldege.
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    I bet someone from Ghost Hunters would disagree with you. They carry instruments that go "ping" AND they seem pretty convinced ghosts are real.

    I will concede that if your answer is, "I like toast", while maybe not being wrong, certainly doesn't answer the question.
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    "you have about x years to civilize a new planet before being cooked."

    fear or thread always seemed to speed up the knowledge of science/technology. and it would scrap out all the 'we're the center of attention' mumbo jumbo.
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    Right.
    Because we know now that your statement is true.
    And look at all of the time and effort being put into solving that.
    Heck, hardly a day goes by without a new breakthrough being announced on the topic.
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    Mind your own business, and let the person who asked the question judge my answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Right.
    Because we know now that your statement is true.
    And look at all of the time and effort being put into solving that.
    Heck, hardly a day goes by without a new breakthrough being announced on the topic.
    meant me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    Mind your own business, and let the person who asked the question judge my answer.
    You mean someone who hasn't posted for at least two months?
    You mean "let me get away with non-scientific insupportable crap"?

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    meant me?
    It was a reply to your post, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    Mind your own business, and let the person who asked the question judge my answer.
    You mean someone who hasn't posted for at least two months?
    You mean "let me get away with non-scientific insupportable crap"?

    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    meant me?
    It was a reply to your post, yes.

    well, that might be the reason why we would need to leave a message after the beep in the first place, because we obviously didn't got off.
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    Originally Posted by Thibeinn
    Mind your own business, and let the person who asked the question judge my answer.
    If you post on this forum, it is our business. If you want to keep it private, send them a pm or an email.
    Its the way nature is!
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    unless that anybody has right to cut your calculation,stories,ideas,opinions into bit and question everything obvious for him to question. and you are obligated to reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    I'd leave a message in English that taught them how to speak English so they could read my message about speaking English.

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    I have no problem with debate on anything I post.

    It is when someone takes it upon him-, or herself, to police replies in someone else's thread, and pass judgement on their relevance, that I have a problem.

    The question was, "If such a cataclysm actually occurred, and you could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge for a future race, what would it be?"

    Such a cataclysm could happen anytime in my life. Maybe tomorrow or maybe 40 years from now. Which of you know for certain that physicists won't figure out the true mechanism of motion by then?

    I stand behind my answer being a valid response to the question until the person who asked the question says otherwise.
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    true mechanism of motion by then?
    I think the problem is, nobody understands what you mean by the mechanism of motion. It's not nobody know what it is, it's nobody knows what you mean.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    What does "true mechanism of motion" actually mean? Did you just make it up to try and sound clever? Speaking as a scientist it's nonsense to me...
    If you do not understand what it means then you cannot possibly be a real scientist.
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    I smell a crackpot in the neighborhood. Another of these 'if you cant understand me, your not a real scientist' nut cases.

    Consider that you're expressing yourself so vaguely that your sentence has no meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    true mechanism of motion by then?
    I think the problem is, nobody understands what you mean by the mechanism of motion. It's not nobody know what it is, it's nobody knows what you mean.

    mechanism: means by which an effect is produced.

    of: I'm sure everyone knows what this word means.

    motion: the action or process of moving or of changing place or position; movement.
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    Actually, "mechanism of motion" is a term used often among physicists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    It could just be another cretinous troll. There's no shortage of them...
    I think you've pretty well got him pegged. He's trolling on other forms as well. But he's also sure he's right and everyone else is wrong, as well as telling us that 'other' physicists think, so he falls into the crank troll category.
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    Mechanisms of motion are studied in both Classical Mechanics and Quantum Mechanics.

    Mechanics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Interesting that the word 'mechanism' doesn't appear anywhere in that wiki article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    Which of you know for certain that physicists won't figure out the true mechanism of motion by then?

    I stand behind my answer being a valid response to the question until the person who asked the question says otherwise.
    Let's, for a second, completely ignore the fact that you can't explain what you mean and take it as given that your term has some meaning.
    Since we do not know - to the extent that we haven't got a f*cking clue as to how go about obtaining this "knowledge" - what the "mechanism of motion actually is how is it possible for you to claim that it's worthwhile passing on?

    Oh, by the way:
    Actually, "mechanism of motion" is a term used often among physicists.
    Source please.

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    See the image at the top of the article entitled, "branches of mechanics"?

    In that image it shows, "pure study of motion's cause", and, "study of both motion and its cause", as being parts of General Mechanics.

    "cause", as everyone knows, is a synonym for "mechanism".

    I have personally discussed Mechanics (both Classical and Quantum) many times with physicists in real life. They use the term, "mechanism of motion", quite often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    I have personally discussed Mechanics (both Classical and Quantum) many times with physicists in real life. They use the term, "mechanism of motion", quite often.
    How about this:

    I, too, have personally discussed Mechanics (both Classical and Quantum) many times with physicists in real life. They never used the term "mechanism of motion".


    You're back to square one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    I have personally discussed Mechanics (both Classical and Quantum) many times with physicists in real life. They use the term, "mechanism of motion", quite often.
    How about this:

    I, too, have personally discussed Mechanics (both Classical and Quantum) many times with physicists in real life. They never used the term "mechanism of motion".


    You're back to square one.
    So, because you have never heard the ones you have spoken to say it, that means none of the physicists on Earth use the term?

    You are now back at square one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    So, because you have never heard the ones you have spoken to say it, that means none of the physicists on Earth use the term?
    Your original claim was (and I quote):
    Actually, "mechanism of motion" is a term used often among physicists.
    This has been shown to be false.
    Please try engaging your brain before posting.
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    Are we getting more crackpots than usual? Or is it just the silly season? I've noticed the same thing on other forums. There seems to be an increase in the level of stupid.
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    Well guys, I'm a scientist too. And I too heard ofthe mechanism of true motion. We called it perfect sway of a beautiful woman's behind. It's thebest mechanism to promote science.which brings me to the most important part of this discussion.it is useless to send any knowledge. we need to send a message that makes them acquire knowledge. hence my first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    If such a cataclysm actually occurred, and you could preserve just one piece of scientific knowledge for a future race, what would it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    mechanism: means by which an effect is produced.

    of: I'm sure everyone knows what this word means.

    motion: the action or process of moving or of changing place or position; movement.
    Mechanism of motion pertaining to what? Atoms? Or what happens when I push someone down the stairs for repearing something instead of explaining it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thibeinn View Post
    See the image at the top of the article entitled, "branches of mechanics"?

    In that image it shows, "pure study of motion's cause", and, "study of both motion and its cause", as being parts of General Mechanics.

    "cause", as everyone knows, is a synonym for "mechanism".
    I don't understand what your problem is. You apply a force. Something moves. What's the problem?
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