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    Physicists To Test If Universe Is A Computer Simulation




    The theory basically goes that any civilisation which could evolve to a 'post-human' stage would almost certainly learn to run simulations on the scale of a universe. And that given the size of reality - billions of worlds, around billions of suns - it is fairly likely that if this is possible, it has already happened.


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    answer is yes some what, matrix in simple term a web net of equation or numbers. here we have to understand that universe is beyond the what our senses tell eyes see only limited color that too the coding of color is in chemicals insides brain. the reality which we know. is complitly depends upon what we sense presume and thaught. which can be different altogether


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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    Physicists To Test If Universe Is A Computer Simulation




    The theory basically goes that any civilisation which could evolve to a 'post-human' stage would almost certainly learn to run simulations on the scale of a universe. And that given the size of reality - billions of worlds, around billions of suns - it is fairly likely that if this is possible, it has already happened.
    Similar to the concept that if time travel is ever actually achieved we surely would know about it due to people traveling back in time and making a nuisance of themselves. And since we never meet any time travelers, there isn't likely to ever be any time travel achieved by humans.

    Because even laws preventing people from traveling back and making their presence obvious would not prevent people from doing it. If laws prevented crimes, there would be no need for jails.
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    The researchers are working on the assumption that a simulation must have certain "resource constraints".


    If we find experimental evidence of such constraints, we have a chance of finding out just how deep the rabbit hole goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    And since we never meet any time travelers
    Complete bull. Don't lie.
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    Possibilities that time travel can only be done in forward way. means going into future is posible but not in past ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by neverfly View Post
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    and since we never meet any time travelers
    complete bull. Don't lie.
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash...er-2037-a.html
    lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BharatArjun View Post
    Possibilities that time travel can only be done in forward way. means going into future is posible but not in past ...
    perhaps. anyway don't go off topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by BharatArjun View Post
    Possibilities that time travel can only be done in forward way. means going into future is posible but not in past ...
    Well forward time travel is done by everyone. I do it at a rate of 1 minute per minute. I think that is the top speed for most people.

    but yeah, back on topic. would be awesome to find out we are in a matrix, cuz then hackers would be masters of their own domains... like literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    Possibilities that time travel can only be done in forward way. means going into future is posible but not in past ...
    Well forward time travel is done by everyone. I do it at a rate of 1 minute per minute. I think that is the top speed for most people.

    but yeah, back on topic. would be awesome to find out we are in a matrix, cuz then hackers would be masters of their own domains... like literally.
    imagine controlling reality from within, just like Neo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
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    Possibilities that time travel can only be done in forward way. means going into future is posible but not in past ...
    Well forward time travel is done by everyone. I do it at a rate of 1 minute per minute. I think that is the top speed for most people.

    but yeah, back on topic. would be awesome to find out we are in a matrix, cuz then hackers would be masters of their own domains... like literally.
    imagine controlling reality from within, just like Neo.
    I love the idea, hell a holodeck would be well enough, but I won't be holding my breath on this one. I'm guessing a science department needs funding and they figure there some over imaginative rich folks out there that will throw some money at them if they seem to be working on something that makes hollywood look smarter than it is.
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    If we cross the speed of light.

    ur 1 min would be earth 1 hr 1 month 1 year depanding on how faster u r ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BharatArjun View Post
    If we cross the speed of light.

    ur 1 min would be earth 1 hr 1 month 1 year depanding on how faster u r ...
    Can't do that, speed of light will always be 300,000 km/s faster than whatever speed I am traveling.

    edit: it wasn't my intention to derail the thread with time travel talk. there is a timetraveler thread already in play at the moment. So the time travel chatter should migrate there in respect to the OP.
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    I tend to be highly suspicious of anything, correction, everything that originates from the French "post modernist" school of philosophy.
    The majority of their output is little more than verbosity for the sake of verbosity 1.
    Oh, and don't forget it's coupled with wilful ignorance.
    They're just playing with their dicks 2 in public.


    1 On the basis that the more words you use the less obvious it is that you don't have anything worthwhile to say, but at least they've got something published so it makes them smart.
    2 Please tell me that wasn't a wasted "pun".
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    apparently if you click the leave page button it double posts your post. how freaking annoying. anyway deleted because this was the same as post # 13
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    Yes, and humanity is just an awful virus that some divine being contracted while watching pornography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    Yes, and humanity is just an awful virus that some divine being contracted while watching pornography.
    is that related to the Matrix?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    They're just playing with their dicks 2 in public.


    2 Please tell me that wasn't a wasted "pun".
    I'm afraid I don't get it.
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    What about a computer that can simulate a computer that can simulate universes, ad infinitum? Eerily similar to the endless creator conundrum if so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    I'm afraid I don't get it.
    It was Baudrillard 1, or one of his ilk that claimed, straight-faced, that the square root of -1 is a mathematical metaphor for the penis.
    And i is the usual symbol for root -1, hence dick.

    1 And The Matrix drew very heavily on his "work" Simulacra and Simulation.

    Edit: it was Lacan, not Baudrillard. Still of the same "school" though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
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    They're just playing with their dicks 2 in public.


    2 Please tell me that wasn't a wasted "pun".
    I'm afraid I don't get it.
    neither do i, but i have learned never to ask people online what they are referring to when they say something like "dicks"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I'm afraid I don't get it.
    It was Baudrillard 1, or one of his ilk that claimed, straight-faced, that the square root of -1 is a mathematical metaphor for the penis.
    And i is the usual symbol for root -1, hence dick.

    1 And The Matrix drew very heavily on his "work" Simulacra and Simulation.

    Edit: it was Lacan, not Baudrillard. Still of the same "school" though.
    That's darn weird. Like a cross between numerology and a fertility superstition.


    And of course they used all kinds of fancy CG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    And of course they used all kinds of fancy CG.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    And of course they used all kinds of fancy CG.
    Huh?
    In the movie, to somewhat illustrate Baudrillard's ideas.



    Is it true that many of these post-structuralists used LSD often?

    I also read that Kary Mullis and Francis Crick's nobel winning ideas were inspired by LSD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    In the movie, to somewhat illustrate Baudrillard's ideas.
    Um, Baudrillard's "idea" is, essentially, that reality itself is a simulation, or, more nearly, that simulation is more "true" than reality - no CG required.

    [quote]Is it true that many of these post-structuralists used LSD often?[/quote
    I suppose they need some excuse for babbling incoherently.

    I also read that Kary Mullis and Francis Crick's nobel winning ideas were inspired by LSD.
    Apparently. Crick. Mullis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    And of course they used all kinds of fancy CG.
    Huh?
    Computerized Graphics. All fancyschmancified.

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    Mullis writes of having once spoken to a glowing green raccoon. Mullis arrived at his cabin in the woods of northern California around midnight one night in 1985, and, having turned on the lights and left sacks of groceries on the floor, set off for the outhouse with a flashlight. On the way, he saw something glowing under a fir tree. Shining the flashlight on this glow, it seemed to be a raccoon with little black eyes. The raccoon spoke, saying, "Good evening, doctor," and he replied with a "hello". Mullis later speculated that the raccoon "was some sort of holographic projection and… that multidimensional physics on a macroscopic scale may be responsible". Mullis denies LSD having anything at all to do with this.[33]
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    I don't wanna sidetrack but this is hilarious



    Mullis and OJ got on very well.





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    Quote Originally Posted by ostkef View Post
    Physicists To Test If Universe Is A Computer Simulation




    The theory basically goes that any civilisation which could evolve to a 'post-human' stage would almost certainly learn to run simulations on the scale of a universe. And that given the size of reality - billions of worlds, around billions of suns - it is fairly likely that if this is possible, it has already happened.
    Any thing may be possible but we can believe what is logical according to available information
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    Do we live in the Matrix?

    I don't know.

    Agnosticism shows it's beauty once again.
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    What's to stop the simulation from being perfect? In which case there would be no rabbit hole.

    Perhaps a computer many times over bigger than Earth is being used to create a perfect rendering of all the quanta of which this world is composed?

    But what's the point in the simulation?
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    Is this thread somewhat related to the holographic principle? Has something to do about black holes holding 2D information/data of 3D objects that have fallen into black holes? Thus the idea entertained that the universe is just a 3D hologram projected from 2D data storing black holes, or something.

    Are we just a 3D hologram created by 2D information stored at the edge of the universe?
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    Yes I think its possible that we are in a Matrix universe.

    It might even be possible to figure out that we are in a Matrix, but this will not be easy, and we may have to eventually create a Matrix of our own to run through a few parameters that will help determine if we are likely to be in a Matrix ourselves or not. In that simulation there might be a movie called the 13th floor too.
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    In the matrix time would be relative to the parameters of the matrix , the controls set in place by the creator or creators of the matrix , right . Just like all the controls set in place on a video game . Boundaries , time , illusion of gravity or lack of etc . All parameters in place . But what would seem like 1000's of years for us could only be weeks for the creator or a day . Also our thoughts , memories etc could be that of whatever being is plugged in right now . Maybe memories some people have of a past life is actually a being who has been plugged in more than once and the simulation can't filter all past memories from the system . So we are like the sims with actual thoughts . Or maybe in the future we got so advanced we lost our humanity and it's a requirement to plug in and live a simulation for a period of time , to learn so you won't make the same mistakes in reality . But if we are simulations then chances are , our creators are simulations also . Wonder how many levels this goes ? Wonder if Buddha was on to something , pull back each layer of all the so called reality(simulations) and see the truth and enlightenment . All the dimensions and realities bound together , tied together . So we just have to find a way to hack it and pull back the curtain to see what's really behind it , or do we really want to . Maybe it's best just to go on eating stuff that tastes like steak huh .
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Yes I think its possible that we are in a Matrix universe.

    It might even be possible to figure out that we are in a Matrix, but this will not be easy, and we may have to eventually create a Matrix of our own to run through a few parameters that will help determine if we are likely to be in a Matrix ourselves or not. In that simulation there might be a movie called the 13th floor too.
    You mean like playing The Sims or Sim City?
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    Do we live in the matrix? No, we live in a very real and hard world.
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    Simulation in matrix style ?
    According to mathematics , that's how our existence should be in physical manner,
    but again , it's double split experiment which makes it impossible to accept that math is surely not reliable to the existing physics law.

    At last question always remains how to define energy , if you can find energy centers in smallest particles.
    In what form do these energy exist . Usually , most phycist jump to the concept of dark matter .... which will again carry on to 3 - d world concept ,
    But never speaks anything of initialization of action , i.e., inertia.

    This is what always gives chance to section of meta physics to raise their voice.

    How come initialization in moment happens ?

    Physics or meta physics
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    Quote Originally Posted by sciencestudy View Post
    Simulation in matrix style ?
    According to mathematics , that's how our existence should be in physical manner,
    but again , it's double split experiment which makes it impossible to accept that math is surely not reliable to the existing physics law.

    At last question always remains how to define energy , if you can find energy centers in smallest particles.
    In what form do these energy exist . Usually , most phycist jump to the concept of dark matter .... which will again carry on to 3 - d world concept ,
    But never speaks anything of initialization of action , i.e., inertia.

    This is what always gives chance to section of meta physics to raise their voice.

    How come initialization in moment happens ?

    Physics or meta physics

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    Perhaps a computer many times over bigger than Earth is being used to create a perfect rendering of all the quanta of which this world is composed?
    But what's the point in the simulation?
    Principally, you could create a "Matrix" without any external computers and using only human brains as a computers. Then you just insert programs into human brains and allow those programs to make person believe he is within reality. Then you connect programmed brains of people to each other in some way and allow them to communicate. If our world is simulated then we may not even able to imagine how real world looks like and how exactly devices for simulation look like. We accustomed to think that something real is atoms of matter which exist independently from our perception and virtual is an electric impulses inside our brain which create illusion of atomic structures which are not there. But this view could be wrong or primitive, and relation between real and virtual could be different from what we think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    Perhaps a computer many times over bigger than Earth is being used to create a perfect rendering of all the quanta of which this world is composed?
    But what's the point in the simulation?
    Principally, you could create a "Matrix" without any external computers and using only human brains as a computers. Then you just insert programs into human brains and allow those programs to make person believe he is within reality. Then you connect programmed brains of people to each other in some way and allow them to communicate. If our world is simulated then we may not even able to imagine how real world looks like and how exactly devices for simulation look like. We accustomed to think that something real is atoms of matter which exist independently from our perception and virtual is an electric impulses inside our brain which create illusion of atomic structures which are not there. But this view could be wrong or primitive, and relation between real and virtual could be different from what we think.

    I agree with you on the brain,An external computer would not be required. All that is needed can be achieved by the mind(brain)....our brains would be programmed in such away that the matrix tells us what and how we experience things#

    How do you distinguish reality from a simulated reality? Perhaps impossible if you have never experience reality.....but a clue to that would be our dreams#
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    If we do live in the matrix could someone please divert the entire contents of Psychology my way at 10am GMT. Taking my finals....would be handy Thanks.
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    In an analogy type of way, yes, clueless zombies are living in the matrix
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