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    Hello all please do not laugh , I presume this is probably school boy knowledge.

    Today I noticed the Photons shining bright through my window. I have a roller blind and this was only lifted to leave a gap of about 10 inches at the time.
    On my window sill, there was a pile of CD's, spread across the window sill, that my children had left there.

    On my ceiling, I then noticed the reflection, and the , you already know , a rainbow. I had a rainbow in my bedroom on the ceiling.

    Intrigued, I decided to play with CD and the Photon energy.

    Shaping the CD, into convex or concave shapes, I could shape my rainbow.

    Different spectrum's of light, sort of enhanced.

    What I did observe, in respect to spreading of light, a convex shape, spread the light more into their respective wavelength's, where as a concave shape, narrowed the light to a more singular wavelength.<joined wave length's>.


    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light, I reflected the light onto a person and the violet gave a similar effect to a UV light used for Dj use.

    My most interesting find, was to observe very strange happening's in a shadow. The shadow was of my window reveal, the upright section.

    By bending the cd as was able to concentrate the reflection of light into the shadow, I am uncertain whether this was the bending of light, or infact I was concentrating the light through the mass of the upright directly.

    I considered and thought about x-rays, have I just done a x-ray of my wall upright?.

    I noticed the spectrum of light was forced to mainly red for this to happen. The color I forced into the shadow was mainly red. The reflection was also on my upright reveal, although this was seemingly just a bright light, clear in nature, white light.

    Also as a visual, the projection into the shadow, seemed inline with the reflection on the upright reveal.

    I just thought I would share this, you probably know all this, I just thought it was so cool to touch a rainbow.

    No idea what it means, lol.

    Test two I intend to reflect the light at my hand and see if this has any result on the shadow it will make.


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    Just don't inject water into the CD to see if you can see a two photons tied together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light
    Why would you "explain" it as UV?
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    There appear to be two different things going on here.

    Firstly, the recording on the CD consists of a series of dots very close together. These act as a diffraction grating which is why they produce a mixture of colours. Not really a perfect spectrum because the dots are not evenly sized. The range of colours you get will vary with the angle of reflection and which bit of the CD is reflecting the light.
    Diffraction grating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Secondly, when you bend the CD it acts like a concave or convex mirror and either concentrates/focuses the light or disperses. it.

    What you describe as UV is, I assume, just the violet end of the spectrum. You can't see UV but UV lamps used by DJs tend to stimulate fluorescence in the blue/violet end of the spectrum.

    And you are definitely not generating X-rays (they require large amounts of energy). I can't really follow what you are describing there, but it sounds like you are just reflecting the light into the shadow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light
    Why would you "explain" it as UV?
    It's related to canine polyurethanic lactation, no doubt.
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    what strange said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light
    Why would you "explain" it as UV?
    I would explain it as UV, just because of the effect of the reflection, the concentration of light, seemingly gave off the same sort of glow as the glow a dj's UV would give.
    The energy of brightness, the reflection, was seemingly the same glow as a UV DJ light, it looked seemingly the same sort of energy level, although more concentrated rather than spread.


    Basically it looked like the same glow of reflection as a dj UV, but more powerful and dense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    There appear to be two different things going on here.

    Firstly, the recording on the CD consists of a series of dots very close together. These act as a diffraction grating which is why they produce a mixture of colours. Not really a perfect spectrum because the dots are not evenly sized. The range of colours you get will vary with the angle of reflection and which bit of the CD is reflecting the light.
    Diffraction grating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Secondly, when you bend the CD it acts like a concave or convex mirror and either concentrates/focuses the light or disperses. it.

    What you describe as UV is, I assume, just the violet end of the spectrum. You can't see UV but UV lamps used by DJs tend to stimulate fluorescence in the blue/violet end of the spectrum.

    And you are definitely not generating X-rays (they require large amounts of energy). I can't really follow what you are describing there, but it sounds like you are just reflecting the light into the shadow.
    Yes, I did see it as possibly bending light, reflecting the light into the shadow. I also though could see an obstacle in the way, my upright reveal.

    It was just so strange, and the light that went into the shadow was concentrated as the spectrum red.

    I did this test in, on the window sill.

    I will read that link now Strange thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
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    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light
    Why would you "explain" it as UV?
    I would explain it as UV, just because of the effect of the reflection, the concentration of light, seemingly gave off the same sort of glow as the glow a dj's UV would give.
    The energy of brightness, the reflection, was seemingly the same glow as a UV DJ light, it looked seemingly the same sort of energy level, although more concentrated rather than spread.


    Basically it looked like the same glow of reflection as a dj UV, but more powerful and dense.
    But since you cannot see UV (did you not know this?) it is not a logical leap to make. A DJ's "UV" light gives off both UV and other colors (the latter is what you see). The UV strikes materials, some of which are excited into fluorescing visible colors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I would explain it as UV, just because of the effect of the reflection, the concentration of light, seemingly gave off the same sort of glow as the glow a dj's UV would give.
    The trouble is, you jump to conclusions based on the flimsiest of evidence ("looks a bit like") without stopping to consider whether it is even possible. Where would UV or x-rays come from? Hmmm... OK, so we can rule those out. So maybe it is just a similar colour light.

    You need to develop some more critical thinking skills. Don't just believe the first thing you think of (and then draw a picture and come here to annoy people). Spend a bit of time thinking of other possibilities and evaluating which are possible, which are not, which are more likely, which are implausible. I know you don't yet have much of a knowledge base or depth of understanding to do this with, but it might help you develop those. For example, you might get a more positive reaction if you came here saying, "I've thought of ... and ... but I'm not sure if either of those is possible because of ... and ...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I would explain it as UV, just because of the effect of the reflection, the concentration of light, seemingly gave off the same sort of glow as the glow a dj's UV would give.
    The trouble is, you jump to conclusions based on the flimsiest of evidence ("looks a bit like") without stopping to consider whether it is even possible. Where would UV or x-rays come from? Hmmm... OK, so we can rule those out. So maybe it is just a similar colour light.

    You need to develop some more critical thinking skills. Don't just believe the first thing you think of (and then draw a picture and come here to annoy people). Spend a bit of time thinking of other possibilities and evaluating which are possible, which are not, which are more likely, which are implausible. I know you don't yet have much of a knowledge base or depth of understanding to do this with, but it might help you develop those. For example, you might get a more positive reaction if you came here saying, "I've thought of ... and ... but I'm not sure if either of those is possible because of ... and ...."

    <looks a bit like> UV was just descriptive information of what I sore. I was using the description to explain the visual, so you had an idea of what I sore.

    I explained it as UV, simply to explain the high contrast of colour with the violet, it seemed to be a neon effect.

    I do not see it has been UV, neither do I presume that it was x-ray light in the shadow, although through the bending of light, that was the illusion created.

    So it was just an explanation in probably confusing terms again, I apologize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I do not see it has been UV,
    So you suddenly say now. But let's look at what you actually wrote:

    I also observed what I can explain as Ultraviolet light...
    That's an assertion, not a question. And you also wrote this:

    I considered and thought about x-rays, have I just done a x-ray of my wall upright?.
    which is indeed a question, but one which seriously considers the production and use of x-rays from your CD. So when you subsequently write

    neither do I presume that it was x-ray light in the shadow, although through the bending of light, that was the illusion created.

    So it was just an explanation in probably confusing terms again, I apologize.
    it is hard to consider you as an honest person.
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    based on that, how was he dishonest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    based on that, how was he dishonest?
    Did you bother to read what he wrote? Did you bother to read what I wrote? In his original post he clearly invokes UV and x-rays, not as metaphors, but as actual explanations. After the absurdity of that position is pointed out to him, he disclaims having meant what he actually wrote. In the beginning, I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but after seeing his aggressively anti-scientific behavior in many threads, I am no longer buying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    based on that, how was he dishonest?
    I am with you based on what, that's a strange conclusion of wording from TK.

    Tk - How is that dishonest?, my wording doe's not suggest dishonest. My wording suggests a not knowing of correct sentencing to explain things.


    I know what I meant lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by curious mind View Post
    based on that, how was he dishonest?
    I am with you based on what, that's a strange conclusion of wording from TK.

    Tk - How is that dishonest?, my wording doe's not suggest dishonest. My wording suggests a not knowing of correct sentencing to explain things.


    I know what I meant lol.
    Sorry, but you have no more credibility. Too many times have you claimed that you were "simply asking questions," but obviously making statements. When called on this, you feigned innocence by quoting a question, but selectively and dishonestly left out the preceding sentence, which was the assertion that my post specifically referred to. One time is perhaps an honest mistake. But you've demonstrated a pattern of counterfactual statements. I've pointed them out. I consider you dishonest because of your pattern of behavior. Your claim that it is all due to "not knowing of correct sentencing" doesn't fly any longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
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    based on that, how was he dishonest?
    I am with you based on what, that's a strange conclusion of wording from TK.

    Tk - How is that dishonest?, my wording doe's not suggest dishonest. My wording suggests a not knowing of correct sentencing to explain things.


    I know what I meant lol.
    Sorry, but you have no more credibility. Too many times have you claimed that you were "simply asking questions," but obviously making statements. When called on this, you feigned innocence by quoting a question, but selectively and dishonestly left out the preceding sentence, which was the assertion that my post specifically referred to. One time is perhaps an honest mistake. But you've demonstrated a pattern of counterfactual statements. I've pointed them out. I consider you dishonest because of your pattern of behavior. Your claim that it is all due to "not knowing of correct sentencing" doesn't fly any longer.
    I have said before in previous post, everything I put take it for, asking a question.

    They are all questions.

    added - I am 100% honest, I do not even tell white lies, I even tell my kids there is no god, we are atoms. I tell them how it is, and the reality of death.

    I learn them to understand death, and Learn them that life is meant to be lived, and not to get upset when I croak e.t.c.

    You may say morbid, I say reality...so please do not preach to me about honesty......

    I do not let any one say I am dishonest, I am the most honest person you will ever come across. Ask me any question about me and I will answer it honestly. I do not lie, why would I want to lie, lie's do not gain nothing.

    That is offensive sir, to presume that , when you do not know me in any sense.

    You think I am some nut job, let's play chess, let's play poker,

    let's see who can survive on a deserted island for a year.


    I have instinct, I have a brain. Stop presuming please and stop been opinionated over my slang chav language at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I have said before in previous post, everything I put take it for, asking a question.
    They are all questions.
    Okay.
    I'll answer some of your questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    that's a strange conclusion of wording from TK.
    No, it's not a strange conclusion.

    my wording doe's not suggest dishonest.
    Yes. It does.

    My wording suggests a not knowing of correct sentencing to explain things.
    Yes, your wording always suggests not knowing. Anything.

    I know what I meant lol.
    And the answer to this "question" is obvious: you don't.

    See the problem now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    I have said before in previous post, everything I put take it for, asking a question.
    They are all questions.
    Okay.
    I'll answer some of your questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    that's a strange conclusion of wording from TK.
    No, it's not a strange conclusion.

    my wording doe's not suggest dishonest.
    Yes. It does.

    My wording suggests a not knowing of correct sentencing to explain things.
    Yes, your wording always suggests not knowing. Anything.

    I know what I meant lol.
    And the answer to this "question" is obvious: you don't.

    See the problem now?
    Yes i do know the problem, it is not been dishonest though. it is expressionism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    Yes i do know the problem
    Sorry, I can't answer that question, it's ill-formed.

    it is not been dishonest though.
    Then it's unremittingly stupid.

    it is expressionism.
    I doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by theorist View Post
    Yes i do know the problem
    Sorry, I can't answer that question, it's ill-formed.

    it is not been dishonest though.
    Then it's unremittingly stupid.

    it is expressionism.
    I doubt it.
    No offence intended DY, consider this, I hold a good conversation with Strange and Flick, and a few others on the forum, It is the minority now that just do not get me.

    I keep getting sidetracked from topic, so confusion sets it at times.

    Soon again I will be testing my new found knowledge.

    I learn, I question, I rule out, I test.
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    I hold a good conversation with Strange and Flick, and a few others on the forum,
    And they both think you're as dumb as a bag of hammers.
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    CD light test part two.

    Wow....That is all I can say.

    Part two I placed the cd directly under a light bulb that overhung on my ceiling.

    I sore something that I can not explain.

    My eyes seemed to reflect back at me from the surface of the CD. It was not a reflection as we know a reflection.

    I sore 2 oval shaped/eye shaped reflections. However I did not see my eyes, I sore different frequencies, and surprising in the centre of my oval shapes, there was 3 small dots, circles, surprisingly red, green, and blue./RGB.

    What was this?
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    Attachment 0cd1.jpg

    Shining a normal led flashlight on a CD.

    OK , I have got other pictures ,I will upload, As I veiw it, light travels at c, as it hits my object, the CD, light seems to connect back to the source, i.e my flashlight, in different stages of color. Red been the first color to hit my surface, travelling back to violet at the source.

    Why am i seeing light this way? a traffic light of colours from red to violet, throught the spectrum?
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    Actually, my knowledge of x-ray crystallography allows me to explain what you're seeing for once. I just can't be bothered anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flick Montana View Post
    Actually, my knowledge of x-ray crystallography allows me to explain what you're seeing for once. I just can't be bothered anymore.
    You can lead a theorist to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I said exactly the same thing in one of his other threads, great minds think alike
    I probably stole it from you, then, but "great mind thinks alike" doesn't work grammatically, so I'll have to pretend to have thought it up independently.
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