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  1. #1 Viktor Shaubergers Repulsines mod A and B 
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    Hi!
    Does anyone know if Viktor Shaubergers Repulsines mod
    A and B has undergone Computational fluid dynamics simulations to
    determine the best dimensions for the platters, their spacing, the
    number of slots and their shape and the shape of the "waves" in the
    platters, and other dimensions ?
    Has it been studied for the generation of electrostatic fields ?
    What about Viktor Shaubergers claims according to these devices ?

    I have seen pictures of these units, and the outer shell and almost all
    parts is made of copper.

    These devices is interesting, and the alleged properties also.

    About these devices:
    This saucer was composed of a number of copper plates bolted together.
    Air was drawn in at the to and into the rapidly spinning saucer which
    was set into motion by an electric motor. In this machine no paddles
    pushed upon the air to start it. Instead, a motor was used to spin the
    whole saucer model to the desired number of revolutions per minute.
    The air was thus spun rapid over channels formed by the upper and
    lower surfaces of two copper plates. On these plates alternate ridges
    and depressions on both plates kept the air moving in snake-like wave
    forms and it moved toward the periphery of the saucer. Because the
    saucer was rapidly spinning, the air was folded over upon itself as it
    moved laterally into many individual vortices. The air was rotating in
    these vortices and moving up and down between the ridged plates.
    The air was cooled and made more dense as it progressed towards the
    periphery. At and around the saucer the periphery, it was ejected into
    the atmosphere at great speed.

    The vortex chamber becomes a kind of high-voltage electrostatic
    generator due to the air particles in high speed motion acting as an
    electrical charges transporter.

    In this machine, centripetal air flow changes to centrifugal air flow
    at this periphery. The air, once outside the saucer, spirals away in a
    centrifugal motion. It is at this periphery, at the midline of the
    saucer, where the change of motion takes place.

    Sometimes the Coanda Effect is cited as a reason this saucer flew.
    Coanda effects, if present at all, are only a secondary force if Viktor
    Schauberger's calculations are correct. Coanda effects alone could
    never be powerful enough to generate the lifting force equal to 228
    tons which Schauberger estimated his small model produced.

    The history of the Schauberger flying disc models is as follows:

    According to Alexandersson, Aloys Kokaly, a German, began work for
    Viktor Schauberger in the early days of the Second World War producing
    certain parts for a "flying object" which were hard to obtain in
    Austria. The parts were to be delivered to the Kertl Works in Vienna
    which was the site of this work at the time. The Kertl Works were
    operating "on higher authority" in association with Schauberger. Kokaly
    was received at Kertl by its chief and told by this individual,
    somewhat bitterly, that one of these strange contraptions had already
    flown.

    The purpose of this device was twofold. First, it was to investigate
    "free energy" production. This could be done by running a shaft to the
    rapidly rotating wheel-like component which was auto-rotating at
    between 10,000 and 20,000 rpm.
    The wheel component had to be spooled up
    with a fast rotating electric engine first. Using reduction gearing,
    some of that energy could be mechanically coupled to an electric
    generator producing electricity at no cost. The second purpose of these
    experiments was to test Schauberger's theories on "levitation" and
    flight.

    Two prototypes were said to have been built at Kertl. The test flight
    was done without Schauberger's presence or even his permission to do
    the test. The model flew as described above but it did considerable
    destruction to the Kertl Works so there were mixed feels concerning the
    success of this flight. The force of levitation was so strong that it
    sheared six 1/4 inch diameter high-tensile steel anchor bolts on its
    way to the roof.
    One of these prototypes does exist today, in Germany.

    There is perhaps possible to make a cloud computing project that
    analyses the CFD mechanics and the electrostatic properties of
    Shaubergers Repulsines using Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network
    Computing ( B.O.I.N.C)

    The problem is that i do not have any programming skills, and i do not
    have the required knowledge of mathematics/physics.


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    Unfortunately Schauberger was something of a crank, and the Repulsine has not, so far, been shown to work. At all.
    Any stories, such as the one you quote in your post, are purely hearsay and apocryphal.
    I personally lay much of the blame at Nick Cook's door (Reliable Jane's hack gets sucked into woo woo territory - should'a checked more!), along with the other crank he seemed to rely on for a lot of his "data": Witkowski.

    The whole "Nazi Flying Saucer" thing is a post-war myth.


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    Apparantely, the repulsines would not stand up to the higher rpms required to get VS' desired results so they was never tested properly.
    Using Copper rotors caused that the disks failed beause the lack of tensile strenght.

    The Nazis did have somewhat weird looking aircraft, the lippisch p.13a.
    The Sack AS-6 and the modern (1950'ish) looking Lippisch p.13B.
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    Neither of the Lippisch aircraft got built.
    As for the Sack - there's a long history of circular-winged aircraft, going back to at least (IIRC) 1910. Nothing particularly new or unusual there.
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    This was built and flew, but it never entered any mass production:
    Lippish DM-1
    It was the unpowered version of the P13.a.
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