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    The smallest particles are currently fermions,bosons,and hadrons,among others. But what are those made of? And what are what makes up sub-atomic particles made of? And what are those made of? My hypothesis is,since everything has to be made of matter,there could be a never-ending scale of small. Everything has to be made of matter,or else it wouldn't exist. These particles don't magically come out of nowhere,so there must be something that it's made out of. This could be the basis of many other hypothesis,such as how the first universe in existence came to be.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    since everything has to be made of matter
    Depends on how you define "matter".

    Everything has to be made of matter,or else it wouldn't exist.
    Is "thought" made of matter?
    Is a magnetic field made out of matter?
    Is potential energy made out of matter?

    This could be the basis of many other hypothesis,such as how the first universe in existence came to be.
    How?
    And, uh, "first universe in existence"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    The smallest particles are currently fermions,bosons,and hadrons,among others. But what are those made of? And what are what makes up sub-atomic particles made of? And what are those made of? My hypothesis is,since everything has to be made of matter,there could be a never-ending scale of small.
    There is a hypothesis that the fundamental particles are made of smaller particles. So far there is no evidence for those smaller particles and so, for the time being, I would assume the don't exist.

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    Current theory has leptons and quarks as the end of the line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    since everything has to be made of matter
    Depends on how you define "matter".
    Everything has to be made of matter,or else it wouldn't exist.
    Is "thought" made of matter?Is a magnetic field made out of matter?Is potential energy made out of matter?
    This could be the basis of many other hypothesis,such as how the first universe in existence came to be.
    How?And, uh, "first universe in existence"?
    I need to improve my wording. By 'everything',I mean 'everything that takes up space'.By 'first universe',I mean the universe that precedes all the other universes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    By 'first universe',I mean the universe that precedes all the other universes.
    What?
    "Precedes"?
    "All the other universes"?
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    hmmmmmmmmmm...........
    yup i personally feel so ....
    we too are a part of a much bigger universe
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    What if we are just the bacteria on the butt of some super ginormous space monkey?

    Yeah it can spawn some ... um... hypothesis... you don't wanna get me started.

    But will any of those hypothesis be useful?
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    I seem to recall the Plank constant disputing this hypothesis. However, if matter really could get infinitely tiny, I think that would mean we really are living in an infinite universe.
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    We've reached the end of the line several times in the past, each time assuming that we have 'seen' the smallest thing there is, and each time being proved wrong later.

    Only time will tell if what we know now is truly fundamental, or whether what we already know is actually make of something smaller.
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    The Planck Length is a theoretical limit of smallness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    The smallest particles are currently fermions,bosons,and hadrons,among others. But what are those made of? And what are what makes up sub-atomic particles made of? And what are those made of? My hypothesis is,since everything has to be made of matter,there could be a never-ending scale of small. Everything has to be made of matter,or else it wouldn't exist. These particles don't magically come out of nowhere,so there must be something that it's made out of. This could be the basis of many other hypothesis,such as how the first universe in existence came to be.
    Yes it may be but no one knows and at present what we know is quark and hadrons. Until we do not find any other things with evidence we can call it just a guess .
    About this , according to my personal views a pure guess with good explanation and arguments.
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    One a bit flawed part of your reasoning of the lack of the uncertainty principle. After a while the size of the uncertainty well exceeds the size of the particles. If Hadrons exist for more then 70 percent out of binding energy. And not 'mass' (of the quarks). Mass, and therefore matter, is (in the standard model) en expression of symmetries of the natural laws. In such a sense, Matter could be reasoned to not even exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleomind View Post
    The smallest particles are currently fermions,bosons,and hadrons,among others. But what are those made of? And what are what makes up sub-atomic particles made of? And what are those made of? My hypothesis is,since everything has to be made of matter,there could be a never-ending scale of small. Everything has to be made of matter,or else it wouldn't exist. These particles don't magically come out of nowhere,so there must be something that it's made out of. This could be the basis of many other hypothesis,such as how the first universe in existence came to be.
    Yours is an old idea dating back in modern times since the discovery of the electron and later positrons. These entities are now known to be real. Quark-particles were proposed in the 1950's and our present maths are based upon their existence. Whether real or not we have evidence that protons, for instance, are comprised of smaller entities. Many have proposed that there is just one fundamental particle and type of which all other particles, types, strings, clusters, are ultimately comprised of.

    If we ever should discover such a single fundamental particle, why would one consider that there should be something even smaller than that? It would not seem to be able to solve any known problems that I know of. The primary purpose for hypothesizing is to find/propose reasons to explain what so far is unexplainable, or where existing explanations seem inadequate.

    Such infinite-extension universe models/proposals have included various types of a fractal universe models where the patterns we can observe now at our own scales continue at ever larger and/or smaller scales to infinity. Today, however, this is more fanciful speculation than it is science, it would seem
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