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Thread: Why did you launch a new Physics Forum?

  1. #1 Why did you launch a new Physics Forum? 
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    Does this new forum substitute this sub-forum?


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    I wondered that myself. I went there to check it out, and it appears that it is conceived as a more serious forum where they will be quicker on the trigger to get rid of crackpots.


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    As a person who is quite ignorant, but interested, in physics - I have always, and perhaps without any good reason, found this sub-forum to be very intimidating. For fear of bothering the regulars in this area I have often decided not to ask questions here because of my limited knowledge of the subject. I have many questions which I have been harbouring simply because in order to actually learn it on the level well enough to understand how my question is answered it would require learning physics at the very least a fundamental level (seeing as how I have never taken any physics courses, not even in highschool - this is a rather large task) in otherwords I feel like asking for a spoon-fed version is a nuisance.

    I suppose that leaves me with a question: If I have a question regarding something like quantum mechanics - which in some cases might scoped as, what I will not call a theory (because it isn't, it can't be if I don't know what the hell I'm talking about) but rather a thought when thinking in my ignorant terms of the universe as a whole, and wanting to understand why it doesn't work, or whether it's just beyond what we can observe - would that be unacceptable for asking in this sub-forum, or would that belong in pseudoscience - or possibly even trashcan?
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    Just to ask questions about mainstream physics, you are more than welcome to do so here, even basic mechanics questions or such. There is nothing wrong with ignorance, only wilful ignorance.

    If you would like to put forth your own ideas for consideration, you can do so in the New Hypothesis and Ideas section, where we'll take a look at it and give you some feedback. Though I'd recommend that you first learn a bit before trying to come up with your own stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    I suppose that leaves me with a question: If I have a question regarding something like quantum mechanics - which in some cases might scoped as, what I will not call a theory (because it isn't, it can't be if I don't know what the hell I'm talking about) but rather a thought when thinking in my ignorant terms of the universe as a whole, and wanting to understand why it doesn't work, or whether it's just beyond what we can observe - would that be unacceptable for asking in this sub-forum, or would that belong in pseudoscience - or possibly even trashcan?
    From my own perspective, if it helps, I always try and be helpful and "sympathetic" (if that's the right word) with people who have a speculative idea: explain which parts appear to match what we currently know, which bits don't, which bits appear to be completely wrong (and why), what they seem to have misunderstood, where they could find more information, etc.

    A "rational" response would be to think about the feedback and either adjust or abandon the idea, as appropriate. (Note that there have been a few people who have come up with something remarkably close to the accepted theory all on their own).

    I only take a stronger approach when people insist that their idea is RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG despite having no evidence or other support. (And frequently giving little indication that they know what they are talking about.)

    So, I would say, go ahead and ask/propose (in the appropriate subforum). But don't be too surprised (or upset) if people tell you your idea isn't quite right and probably won't work. On the other hand, someone might say, "that's it, you've got it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    I wondered that myself. I went there to check it out, and it appears that it is conceived as a more serious forum where they will be quicker on the trigger to get rid of crackpots.
    Hm, the way you put it makes it sound a big negative, but yes, the general idea is to provide a platform for more serious discussions in the context of current scientific consensus. Basically, it is meant to be a forum with a strong focus on mainstream physics only, and as such we have chosen to be more conservative in the way threads are categorised - topics such as push gravity, aether, anti-relativity etc will be strictly confined to the "Alternative Theories" section. That does not mean however that anyone voicing an alternative idea gets an automatic ban or anything like that, and it also does not mean that some regulars of TSF are about to abandon ship, or that there is some kind of agenda behind it.

    The Physics Forum is not meant to be in competition with TSF in any way, shape or form; it is really more of a complement to what is already here, and not meant to replace this excellent platform. I myself for example will continue to be active here just as always, because I like it here - at the same time however I make no excuses for wanting to be able to, on occasion, have a serious discussion about physics topics without those discussions being highjacked by the same tired old chestnuts like the ones listed above. That's all there is to it, there is no political agenda of any kind behind it ( at least none that I am aware of #conspiracy! ).

    I am sorry if this offends some members of this forum, but it is genuinely how I feel, and judging by some feedback I got from various places I am not the only one who has this opinion. Once again, this does not mean that there is discontent with the way TSF is run, not by a long shot - all it means is that sometimes some of us need a "quiet corner" to just have a serious discussion without all the background noise. Being able to create just such a place is a blessing of the information age, and not something to be frowned upon; it broadens the available options for Internet discussions.

    Hopefully I was able to clarify the situation a little...?

    Does this new forum substitute this sub-forum?
    No, The Physics Forum does not aim to substitute for anything, it is merely a complementary forum with a different "flavour".
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    I am deeply unhappy about this. I responded (via PM) to Admin's general request for volunteer moderators in the negative, on the grounds that I had no formal qualification in Physics. I felt ill-equipped to moderate a forum devoted entirely to physics.

    It seems others here in my position showed no such modesty - although I DO have a PhD (field left undefined by my choice) - I know my limitations

    Further I note with some bemusement that there is no Math subforum there. Could this be that the new forum doesn't think that mathematics is important in physics?

    No. I do NOT want to join the new forum, even if a Math sub. were to be created
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist View Post
    No. I do NOT want to join the new forum, even if a Math sub. were to be created
    I do not understand... it is not as though you're being forced, is it?
    I'm sure Admin will listen if you tell him to remove your moderatorship on that forum...

    But you might also reconsider- many moderators may not be formally trained in physics, but they CAN moderate behavior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist View Post
    I am deeply unhappy about this. I responded (via PM) to Admin's general request for volunteer moderators in the negative, on the grounds that I had no formal qualification in Physics. I felt ill-equipped to moderate a forum devoted entirely to physics.

    It seems others here in my position showed no such modesty - although I DO have a PhD (field left undefined by my choice) - I know my limitations

    Further I note with some bemusement that there is no Math subforum there. Could this be that the new forum doesn't think that mathematics is important in physics?


    No. I do NOT want to join the new forum, even if a Math sub. were to be created
    I have to say I'm somewhat disappointed with your attitude, ok perhaps a maths subforum would have been a good idea but as for comments about being or not being qualified I find somewhat strange as all three of the moderators that have been chosen are more than capable of both discussing physics and of also making sensible decisions and judgements. Ok in an ideal world it might be nice to have all your moderators having already gained a Phd in their particular subjects for moderation, but what we have to remember that these are public forums frequented by people of many different backgrounds.

    The fact that you have chosen to state you are not going to participate in the new forum is in my view a shame, I've always found your posts to be both interesting and extremely informative even if perhaps sometimes a little abrasive. I hope that in time you might change your mind, as you clearly have worthwhile contributions to make and are capable of influencing others in a possitive way.

    Sometimes we all have to accept things we do not necessarily agree with, the point is though we can't always act petulantly about it, we just have to accept it and do the best we can in the situation, and if we don't we can end failing to progress because of it, but this particular lesson comes easier to some than others.
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    I am far from a PhD in physics when it comes to me, I offered to help moderate as I know how all to often physics sub-forum can be littered with ideas, theories and interpretations on established physics instead of the relevant knowledge, it can be quite the deter from learning from threads made specifically in this forum's physics section. I am somewhat knowledgeable on some physics and will myself help contribute but I see my role there as a janitor and to generally help out keep things tidy and clean.

    Janus has made a brilliant primer for special relativity, very detailed and informative as well. I have noticed the overall intellectual texture of the thread and posts there improve, I don't mean to demean any people who have genuine questions, I am referring to the usually woo-members who say 'relativity is wrong, QT is wrong etc' that we get here often. I feel that a dedicated physics forum was much needed that is more stricter when it comes to the woo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist View Post
    Further I note with some bemusement that there is no Math subforum there.
    How about the absence of a Health subforum? jocular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    I suppose that leaves me with a question: If I have a question regarding something like quantum mechanics - which in some cases might scoped as, what I will not call a theory (because it isn't, it can't be if I don't know what the hell I'm talking about) but rather a thought when thinking in my ignorant terms of the universe as a whole, and wanting to understand why it doesn't work, or whether it's just beyond what we can observe - would that be unacceptable for asking in this sub-forum, or would that belong in pseudoscience - or possibly even trashcan?
    From my own perspective, if it helps, I always try and be helpful and "sympathetic" (if that's the right word) with people who have a speculative idea: explain which parts appear to match what we currently know, which bits don't, which bits appear to be completely wrong (and why), what they seem to have misunderstood, where they could find more information, etc.

    A "rational" response would be to think about the feedback and either adjust or abandon the idea, as appropriate. (Note that there have been a few people who have come up with something remarkably close to the accepted theory all on their own).

    I only take a stronger approach when people insist that their idea is RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG despite having no evidence or other support. (And frequently giving little indication that they know what they are talking about.)

    So, I would say, go ahead and ask/propose (in the appropriate subforum). But don't be too surprised (or upset) if people tell you your idea isn't quite right and probably won't work. On the other hand, someone might say, "that's it, you've got it."
    I thank both you, and KALSTER, for your responses - I found them encouraging of my thoughts of asking the questions I have. As for the part I've emphasized, that really was the main reason I joined this forum. I find that being a part of this forum allows me to expand what I do know, and polish the things I am already familiar with - and sometimes, hopefully, expand what others know. Being right, though preferrable, is not something anyone can always be. That is something I can admit and accept, especially when I wander into the a realm that is unknown - at least in this context, what is unknown to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist View Post
    Further I note with some bemusement that there is no Math subforum there. Could this be that the new forum doesn't think that mathematics is important in physics?
    I had suggested a maths subforum right from the beginning, but the suggestion wasn't followed up on. It is something I will lobby for a little bit further down the line.

    I am deeply unhappy about this. I responded (via PM) to Admin's general request for volunteer moderators in the negative, on the grounds that I had no formal qualification in Physics. I felt ill-equipped to moderate a forum devoted entirely to physics.
    But that is perfectly understandable ? I would never volunteer to moderate a maths forum either, because I simply wouldn't have the knowledge required.

    Personally, I think it is regrettable, though understandable, that you do not wish to get involved. Your mathematical knowledge and skills will be missed.
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    I am disappointed that the alternative of tightening up the moderation of the physics on this forum was not pursued. I tend to share Guitarist's disquiet, though not perhaps for the same reasons. Indeed, I am not quite sure why I am uncomfortable with it, but I undoubtedly am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I am disappointed that the alternative of tightening up the moderation of the physics on this forum was not pursued. I tend to share Guitarist's disquiet, though not perhaps for the same reasons. Indeed, I am not quite sure why I am uncomfortable with it, but I undoubtedly am.
    I am unaware of such an option having been put to the general audience of this forum for discussion/consideration. Perhaps it was discussed internally in the mod section, or perhaps I have just missed that thread, I don't know.
    Personally, to be honest I doubt that such a motion would gain any popular support on here, outside a small circle of regular posters.

    I agree though that that could potentially have been a viable alternative.

    Let us not forget though that nothing has changed on TSF - the new forum is not an alternative or a substitute, but rather an addition to the ( untouched ) TSF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Indeed, I am not quite sure why I am uncomfortable with it, but I undoubtedly am.
    maybe it's the lack of any explanation prior to the appearance of the link + the request for moderators ?
    it would have been nice to have had a heads-up in advance

    although, since i'm not THAT interested in physics and hardly ever visit this part of TSF, i suppose my opinion hardly carries any weight in the matter
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Indeed, I am not quite sure why I am uncomfortable with it, but I undoubtedly am.
    maybe it's the lack of any explanation prior to the appearance of the link + the request for moderators ?
    it would have been nice to have had a heads-up in advance
    That is almost certainly it. The lack of prior information or any form of consultation acts as a reminder that I'm not actually important. Not important! How uncomfortable.
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    He mentioned it in the ChatBox sometime back. Asked what people think of the idea- I expressed doubts against the idea and why...
    I don't think the chatbox is the best way to go about notifying the members of the idea. Most members avoid it and with good reason.
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    Interesting. I never look at the chatbox - well I think I made a brief exchange once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    a reminder that I'm not actually important. Not important! How uncomfortable.
    You will grow into it old chap, live with it!
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    I had considered asking mods for their views but decided against it as I thought it might look like I am indirectly requesting them to moderate TPF too. I am so grateful for what they do here at TSF everyday, didn't want to bother them with another thankless job. Also assumed that the idea won't see much resistance anyway. I still posted about it in the chat box to gather some quick feedback or something I hadn't considered already. It yielded only one response and that was against the TPF idea, although it didn't contain anything that wasn't already in my notes. What I posted in the chat box was not a notification.

    In retrospect, it does feel like I could/should have involved the community. I sincerely apologize if I have upset some of you by this act. Believe me, though, I am acting in the best interest of the community. We have this great thing going on with TSF. Why not explore some more? I suspect we are sitting on a local maxima. I believe a standalone physics forum will attract greater participation from physicists. It will take time for sure. All great things start like this. My optimism is not unfounded.

    Good for TSF too1 in the long term.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I had considered asking mods for their views but decided against it as I thought it might look like I am indirectly requesting them to moderate TPF too.
    it's not up to us to question the creation of a new forum and its cross-promotional benefits, that's entirely your freedom of decision
    i just thought an entry in the "announcement" part of TSF might have been nice, 's all
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    i just thought an entry in the "announcement" part of TSF might have been nice, 's all
    I don't see how that would have been better than an in-the-face notification with a yellow background. If you meant to say I should have let members discuss about the announcement then yes it fell short. I was expecting someone would create a thread in the site feedback section questioning TPF's existence. But didn't happen.
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    It's done now. The other forum is up and growing and lo and behold, we are still here.
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    Admin has put in a new Maths Subforum as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    In retrospect, it does feel like I could/should have involved the community. I sincerely apologize if I have upset some of you by this act.
    Listen, from my POV there is absolutely no need to apologise. You provide an excellent environment in which I have been afforded the opportunity to learn a lot, to improve my writing skills, engage in stimulating discussions and hopefully share some of my knowledge with others. I am very grateful for that opportunity. Any discomfort I felt at not being given an opportunity to discuss the formation of a new forum is my problem, reflecting aspects of my personality that you have zero need to apologise for. I posted about them out of a natural tendency to be try to be open and honest (and because I like the sound of my own voice.) Cheers. JG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Any discomfort I felt at not being given an opportunity to discuss the formation of a new forum is my problem, reflecting aspects of my personality that you have zero need to apologise for.
    likewise - just see it as the knee jerk reaction of grumpy old men
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    I think the new forum is a good idea now that I'm getting to understand it a little better. This existing physic's forum has lots of great contributors and lots of good and "fun" questions asked from those totally knowledgeable, down to beginners in physics. Mainsteam topics involve different hypothesis and opinions, really the primary purpose for mainstream discussions other than teaching and learning. One of the best aspects of this forum as a whole IMO is that moderators in general make every effort to be fair without the air of condescension.

    The problems of unruly arguments comes to play when members may not realize that there are always more than one point of view within the mainstream, and that prevailing theories in the long run are often replaced because of new evidence. Alternative theories when mentioned, seemingly should be identified as such. Opinions, theories, hypothesis, which are not mainstream, should not be promoted in mainstream forums other than discussion of them if topic related. I have found that there is often a fine line between discussion and perceived promotion, concerning alternative ideas.

    The new forum, as Markus has mentioned, seemingly should be less prone to non-relevant discussions and tangent discussions. I expect the rules there will be more explicit in this respect. Those wishing to discuss the finer details of mainstream theory, experiments, observations, might find discussions less disrupted there.

    Insults, insulting innuendos, and bad manners should be discouraged in all forums IMO -- which they generally are
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    I do not know which would be the right forum (TSF or TPF), but I think it could be very useful to have a subforum where to discuss new ideas in a constructive manner ("beyond the mainstream").

    Helping to design and develop new proposals and ideas, using the many brains and multidisciplinary knowledge of users (members, moderators, experts, ....) that participate in this forum.

    I think this could be a distinguishing feature of this forum on the rest, and you could get very good returns for its participants as well as the forum itself and its owners.
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    Makes sense to me. Even in the more vague threads of the philosophy forum it's common to find people discussing age old questions completely uninformed of age old theories. I imagine this to be even more frustrating in a more scientific category.

    I often wonder about creating a kind of TSF philosophical/scientific history overview wiki for the not-formally-educated to build off of. Even in school it's common to study science without ever once learning whence it came. Maybe overviews on logic, discourse techniques, the scientific method, etc. I have often found myself leaving discussions because I don't have the time to re-phrase the same thing over and over again for someone who's dancing around the point for the sake of argument (something even more wasteful in the more rigorous sciences). In the religious subforum this happens at a very predictable rate, making participation almost entirely wasteful in some cases.
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    I do not know which would be the right forum (TSF or TPF), but I think it could be very useful to have a sub-forum where to discuss new ideas in a constructive manner ("beyond the mainstream").Helping to design and develop new proposals and ideas, using the many brains and multidisciplinary knowledge of users (members, moderators, experts, ....) that participate in this forum.I think this could be a distinguishing feature of this forum on the rest, and you could get very good returns for its participants as well as the forum itself and its owners.
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    PROPOSAL FOR THE MAIN FUNCTIONING OF THE NEW SUB-FORUM ("BEYOND THE MAINSTREAM- BTM")

    Any person may submit a new proposal or idea ("Beyon The mainstream") with a minimum of consistency and supported with appropriate documentation (doc, blog, video, ...)

    All forum members can participate, both to discuss and question about the idea, as well as to attack or defend.

    The steps to follow are:

    - Are there any similar theory approved or rejected?
    - If no, does this proposal some viability?
    - If no, why?.
    - If it does, then establish a plan to confirm.
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    We have a section for that: New Hypothesis and Ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dapifo View Post
    I do not know which would be the right forum (TSF or TPF), but I think it could be very useful to have a subforum where to discuss new ideas in a constructive manner ("beyond the mainstream").

    Helping to design and develop new proposals and ideas, using the many brains and multidisciplinary knowledge of users (members, moderators, experts, ....) that participate in this forum.

    I think this could be a distinguishing feature of this forum on the rest, and you could get very good returns for its participants as well as the forum itself and its owners.
    That is pretty much the definition of the New Hypotheses and Ideas subforum. Do you find that subforum inadequate for your purposes?
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    Here is my take on things:

    Members who understand what is required to have an idea worthy of objective analysis in such a sub-forum will also recognise their ideas do not currently come up to scratch and so will not post them.

    Memebers who do not recognise this requirement will post and we will be left with the sea of waffle that typifies the sub-forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Here is my take on things:

    Members who understand what is required to have an idea worthy of objective analysis in such a sub-forum will also recognise their ideas do not currently come up to scratch and so will not post them.

    Memebers who do not recognise this requirement will post and we will be left with the sea of waffle that typifies the sub-forum.
    Yes, there certainly is some truth to this.
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    Well, I am not above posting in that section and throwing a few ideas around with the express understanding that I am basically just screwing around and am not under the delusion that I might be on to something real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    We have a section for that: New Hypothesis and Ideas.
    I know how works New Hypotesis and Ideas forum...and it doesnŽt work as I am asking to do.

    People (moderators, experts,...) ask you for EVIDENCES (!!!!)... and it is stupid !!!... I I had them... IŽll be not asking for help or review...IŽll just publish them.

    I propose to do a TEAM WORK...

    Obviously... it coud be stoped or rejected..if there are similar theories approved or rejected.... or if it is cleary (can be clear demostrate and evidence) that is not viable....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dapifo View Post
    People (moderators, experts,...) ask you for EVIDENCES
    Something to do with it being a science forum, perhaps.

    What you seem to want is a forum where everyone says things like:
    • "Yes, dapifo, that is a very clever idea, it must be right"
    • "Have you seem dapifo's latest idea, it is brilliant"
    • "dapifo's idea is so imaginative we don't need any evidence"
    • "why hasn't dapifo got the Nobel prize yet"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dapifo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER View Post
    We have a section for that: New Hypothesis and Ideas.
    I know how works New Hypotesis and Ideas forum...and it doesnŽt work as I am asking to do.

    People (moderators, experts,...) ask you for EVIDENCES (!!!!)... and it is stupid !!!... I I had them... IŽll be not asking for help or review...IŽll just publish them.

    I propose to do a TEAM WORK...
    It can work like you want it to. You present your new idea and others may comment. If they ask for evidence you tell them what you think you have. They might make suggestions how your idea might be improved if you say you are interested in such opinions, but they won't close the thread just because a moderator doesn't like your idea. There will always be people who are negative about new ideas, but if your idea is interesting some may try to help you develop a more mature idea There will rarely be a cooperative effort because people in general have too many different ideas, most commenting will be aware of the related standard model, and many will be aware of what kind, and details of the many problems most new ideas will face.

    Obviously... it coud be stoped or rejected..if there are similar theories approved or rejected.... or if it is cleary (can be clear demostrate and evidence) that is not viable....
    They will not stop such a discussion in the New Ideas forum. They may stop people not following the rules there, and those who make false claims there that certain things are valid or certain rather than alternatve theory, opinion or belief. If one person rejects your idea(s), asks for proof, and tells you what they think is wrong with it, that should not stop you from talking to others who might be more positive or maybe interested in your idea, offering encouragement and their own related ideas if you ask If you find little response or help there, you could try other forums here where you might get less criticisms like the Pseudo-science forum, or the Trash Can forum. Constructive criticisms are a good thing so I suggest you first try your non-mainstream ideas in the New Ideas Forum.
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    You can see which kind of people are not able to do team work !!!! (STRANGE, ...)....These are normal and grey people...

    That is why my proposal is different and unique !!!!

    If you are intelligent you will do it !!!..and possible you could get good results...but you need an "open mind" and creative moderator for this sub-forum...
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