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    So to begin I have this little theory in my head but I'm stuck and thought you smart guys might be able to explain what I can't (it has a lot of explaining so il just ask a few first questions that I think I know the answer too but need clarity)

    Hypothetically, if you took everything out of the universe and were just left with the empty darkness and then added just one object all by itself - whether it be a quark or vibrating string, because there's nothing else, would it remain stagnant/motionless in space not moving in any direction or would it still move?


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    Objects can only move relative to another object or to an energy field. Therefore the question actually has no meaning for a single object.


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    Thank you for clarifying that's what I thought. Next hypothetical - for energy to be in the form of matter, there needs to be a force of gravity, so lets assume before the Big Bang there was energy with no outside force to act upon it, which meant energy remained unchanged and stagnant.

    At this stage there is no difference between an empty universe and a universe with energy. The question is what would cause gravity to force energy into its physical form of matter without a second outside force acting upon it?
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    Gravity does not change energy into matter.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
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    Sorry i'l try to explain what i mean, gravity can't function unless there are objects for it to act between ( if there's only one body in the universe then there's no gravity, if there's two then there's gravity) so if there's no energy/matter in the universe there's no gravity. So my question is how can energy being the only body in the universe, move if there's nothing else, no other force to act upon it from the moment before the big bang until its genesis after?
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    Energy systems always move towards a state of equilibrium. Due to quantum randomness, there was a lack of equilibrium right from the start, afaik, and with the expansion of the universe energy systems has been given sufficient room to keep evolving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyedlion View Post
    Thank you for clarifying that's what I thought. Next hypothetical - for energy to be in the form of matter, there needs to be a force of gravity, so lets assume before the Big Bang there was energy with no outside force to act upon it, which meant energy remained unchanged and stagnant.

    At this stage there is no difference between an empty universe and a universe with energy. The question is what would cause gravity to force energy into its physical form of matter without a second outside force acting upon it?
    No, at this stage (before the BB) there is no universe. There is nothing physical at all. There is only a singularity. As time itself does not yet exist, the size of the singularity is of no importance, except to know that it contained all the universal energy in a latent non-physical state.
    The eminent physicist David Bohm referred to this condition of "pure potential" as the Implicate.

    IMO, the BB (and time) began as almost infinite potential energy compressed in to a singularity. The BB itself was a single Mega Qantum Event, where everything happened at the same time in the same place. (perhaps this explains the immediate annihilation of so many anti particles).

    For an incredibly small instant in time, the fledgeling universe expanded at faster than SOL, until universal constants such as Gravity, SOL, etc. were able to grab hold and universal time began.
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    I see what you mean KALSTER, im currently researching Quantum indeterminacy before i get back to this thread with any more questions, thx
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