Thread: To Zelos about the Big Bang

Zelos, factoring in Spacetime to the Big Bang, how bad would spacetime curvation be? It would appear far greater than a black hole, so how did it bang? I wish to have this answered by you since you are the resident relativity parroter, so you should know.

Also explain in detail the time dialation due to the massive expansion of the Big Bang, how severe, etc. Since I've not found any good reading on it.

Subject: It would only be possible if...
The force outwards would become bigger than the force inwards.

Like if the electron lost its electrostatic field due to it loosing its mass to the proton. (cause then the heisenberg relations would give it lightspeed and only the magnetic force would remain ie. relativity)
If that was the case it would be messaureable. If you wanted to know if it is shrinking or not you would know allready. Cause it is, compare its mass today with an old value of it and you will know.

look in two different encyclopedias with different dates of messaurements.

Okey, how about existence prior to it going "bang". Black holes are shot out of the water if something as massive as the big bang was *not* a black hole, or so I think.

However then the question arises, how did it go "bang" since the only leading theory that I know of is Hawking Radiation (but to my knowledge that doesn't make them explode)?

Unfortunatey *NOBODY* has the mass of the Big Bang on a website, just the average calculable Black Hole.

A typical mass for such a stellar black hole would be about 10 times the mass of the Sun, or about 10^{31} kilograms. (Here I'm using scientific notation: 10^{31} means a 1 with 31 zeroes after it, or 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.) Astronomers also suspect that many galaxies harbor extremely massive black holes at their centers. These are thought to weigh about a million times as much as the Sun, or 10^{36} kilograms.

Alternatively, for those in the USA (the only country so large to not adopt the metric system through reason unknown) that would be about 22^{31} pounds.

Though, as for wiki (God knows if that number is accurate) it says the mass of the universe is about...oh ffs wiki is down. Here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of...vable_universe

Which is far more massive than any black hole on record and certainly massive enough for it to be a black hole.

Zelos, factoring in Spacetime to the Big Bang, how bad would spacetime curvation be? It would appear far greater than a black hole, so how did it bang? I wish to have this answered by you since you are the resident relativity parroter, so you should know.

Also explain in detail the time dialation due to the massive expansion of the Big Bang, how severe, etc. Since I've not found any good reading on it.

first, i am not a parrot just becuase i know alot. some of my knowledge have i figured out myself and then got confirmed by books.

Secondly thats before 1 plancktime after big bang, at that time we know nothing. But back to 1 plancktime after big bang our models works pretty well and makes sense. Before it we cant say anything and we cant get any closer in time. exacly how it is at that time im not sure. i know all forces(except gravity) is united into one single force

Honestly I don't even see that much wrong in being a parrot. If being a parrot means accepting the consensus of experts, then I'm not sure how that's a bad thing exactly. "Think for yourself" may be a great sound byte but it's also a fast path to the wrong conclusion when it comes to fields of science that most of us aren't qualified to make informed opinions on.

Actually this time (amazingly enough) I used it as a complenent. Parrots have an amazing memory, so Zelos got the title for his ability to riddle off things from that memory. Or parroting what he knows.

So Zelos, we know nothing of before the Big Bang, but we assume accuracy since they appear to work afterwards? I refuse to accept that. Surely there are some theories or something related to it? Otherwise, calculate for me the mass of the big bang and the effects on spacetime as it exploded (since you did not), as this should be easy for one who knows relativity so well.

There are numerous things about the Big Bang unanswere d and completely UNMENTIONED on websites, I'd like them to be attempted answered here.

Actually this time (amazingly enough) I used it as a complenent. Parrots have an amazing memory, so Zelos got the title for his ability to riddle off things from that memory. Or parroting what he knows.

then i thank you.

we know nothing of before the Big Bang

we know nothing before 1 PT(Plant time) after bigbang

but we assume accuracy since they appear to work afterwards

we assume that to work since particle accelerators have given us physical proof that it seems to work since when 2 particles collide at enroumus speed (close C) that region of space is like a short time after bigbang and we can watch how it is by checking the particles bieng created and decaying

Otherwise, calculate for me the mass of the big bang and the effects on spacetime as it exploded (since you did not), as this should be easy for one who knows relativity so well.

its the mass of the universe. Scientists have done calculations (i have done aswell in this case) and it apphere to be so that the density of a blackhole with the mass of the universe have exacly the same density the universe has. So we might be a infinitly curved spacetime but relative to us its relativly flat.

The spacetime curvation was enourmus at that time but as the universe expanded it became less and less curved and took a flat original shape.

There are numerous things about the Big Bang unanswere d and completely UNMENTIONED on websites, I'd like them to be attempted answered here.

there is some mysteries but i´ll try to answer them as good as i can. some will be just theories but it gives a clue how it could be

Alright, since there seems no opposition to it being a black hole: How did it explode?

And yes I am farmiliar with those particle tests (science channel!), but keep in mind that the big bang didn't exactly crash into another of itself to explode (or did it?). Nor do I think it was traversing near the speed of light.
On large scale, it doesn't *prove* as much as I think people would like, since conditions were different, so then are the results.

Also, you didn't explain how much the time distortion would be due to the energetic release of such an explosion.
The electrons, according to the science channel, were moving damn near the speed of light. However I'd like to have calculations of the energy of the explosion, as well as the speed the particles had as a result of it.

but keep in mind that the big bang didn't exactly crash into another of itself to explode

its not about the crashing, the crashing and bigbang have one thing in common, a little point of space with relativly large amount of energy therefor they behave simular.

On large scale, it doesn't *prove* as much as I think people would like, since conditions were different, so then are the results

im not sure exacly what you mean with this.

On large scale, it doesn't *prove* as much as I think people would like, since conditions were different, so then are the results

planck temparature hot. E=kT and since k in plank units is equal one the energy each particle had is T and thats close to plank energy if not it just check plank energy (think this should work)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_energy
and just calculate the relativistic velocity
E=mc²/sqr(1-v²/c²)
if you work with planck units you can easly remove all the C² and get the light velocity (how much of C its moving)