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  1. #1 ...travel through time 
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    I will now take into consideration the possibility, for a human being (or for any other physical body, whether animated or not), that is for a physical entity formed by atoms and molecules and therefore ponderable, to travel through time. Granted that it is not actually my intention to try to support such possibility or actually minimize it; my intention is to uniquely analyze the aspects and most significant consequences from a „quantum-classical“ point of view (therefore leaving the resolution of all „logical“ paradoxes, to phylosophers and most ascetic scientists.
    Therefore, let’s imagine two points in space (A and B,see fig1.1), between which there is a determined distance (c), in three distinct dimensional situations; that is in three distinct spatiotemporal tissues..In order to facilitate your comprehension, I would suggest to compare distance c to the spatiotemporal tissue.


    Apparently, when we reflect in euclidean terms, it would appear that the distance between A e B decreases parallel to the decline of the curving of the spatiotemporal tissue or viceversa. Well, this is absolutely untrue.
    Let’s imagine that the spatio-temporal tissue (c) represents a long metallic filament constituted by atoms and molecules. By measuring the distance between points A e B that is, between their extremities, in whichever model of N-dimensional space we find ourselves, the filament would always appear to be the same length. This is for the simple fact that not only the metallic filament is influenced by the spatio-temporal curving but also the observer. Where is it therefore necessary to research physical differences inherent to the three filament models? (see fig. 1.1) Otherwise, going back to travels through time, should research be carried out in the three models (in case the same individual finds himself in three different models of space or spatio-temporal tissue)?
    Would the three filaments-individuals show in all the different models (three) of space-time the the same quantum behaviour? Let’s try to find out:
    A dilated spatio-temporal tissue, due to its own “strong” curving, implies a considerably decrease of the absolute value of Time (|T|) and in line with a considerable increase of the absolute value of space (|S|). Such important characteristic of the spatio-temporal tissue is nothing but a logical consequence of the mathematization of the space-time concept, that is:|T|.|S|=K(where K represents a constant present in each point of the Universe). This hypothesis-consideration was reached on the basis of Prigogine’s on Universal time (which originally was Bergson’s); idea which was developed mathematically in the book ”Between Time and Eternity” with an analysis on systems of time distribution, average times within space-time.
    It is clear that no physique which is ..mentally healthy, would actually ever dare to challenge the fact that space and time are completely relative to the system in which they belong; and would therefore never actually dare to talk about space and absolute time. But as we have seen, thanks to Prigogine’s work, it is at least possible to accept the idea of Absolute Time.
    Now considering that we fully accept the fact that the entire Universe is defined by some kind of Absolute Time, thanks to that simple game of symmetries which has always characterized every new principle in the scientific field, it is therefore essential that its adversary exist…which is Absolute Space!
    If we consider certain the argument that the fundamental structure of space-time remains constant in each part of the Universe, we must also take for granted that space and time must necessarily abide to a universal law of complementarity, actually apt to guarantee the invariability of the fundamental structure of space-time ... in any area of the Universe!
    At this point it would be completely wrong to believe that I would want to readdress Einstein’s popular Cosmological Constant; the product of space and time (whether absolute or relative), defines a constant which cannot be expressed in a unit of energy (Joules,eV,cal,...)!
    On the other hand, what such constant represents, which I have defined with the symbol K is nothing but the spectre, the ”soul”, of each spatiotemporal structure obviously expressed with a symbolic unit of measure.
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    It is now known that as J.Magueijo says :” the problem of the Cosmological Constant is due to the fact that the energy of emptiness is not “diluted” by the expansion of the Universe, it is the opposite of what happens with matter and radiation. For this reason the energy of emptiness would quickly end up dominating the Universe, unless it weren’t possible to already find a way to brutally suppress it in the primordial Universe.”
    Magueijo, a physicist of Portuguese origins who is well known throughout the world, also claims that the speed of light is not constant in the Universe; from such hypothesis-premise he has elaborated a series of theories linked to the concepts of Special and General Relativity (which together take the name of VSL; the acronym is translated in varying speed of light) with which he claims to have “found a way to exorcise the Cosmolo-gical Constant”.
    There is only one way to ripristinate the concept of Constant Cosmology, without it contrasting the laws of the Theory of Relativity, and such Constant is to be intended as a symbolic entity, linked to the concept of energy from Plans which are so fine, which today’s man is still unable to visualize and therefore able to expose in a mathematical way; only in such acceptation, it is possible to identify the constant K, with the Cosmological Constant.

    The increase of the absolute value of space, implies a necessary atomic-molecular compression of the subject under discussion suitable for guaranteeing its energetic compactness. This is a condition necessary so that the atoms which constitute the body under discussion do not tend to disassociate themselves from each other (which the tendency of atomic dissociation, more commonly known as radioactivity happens to bodies found in a space contracting itself and which the absolute value of Time tends to considerably increase). A radioactive body, must therefore be intended as a complex form of energy, able to induce space to contract itself!
    It could therefore by supposed that a radioactive body moves in space at extremely elevated speeds, that it emits a minor number of radioactive particles, with respects to another (identical) body which is instead found in a state of stillness. We have therefore arrived at this point able to propose a new guise, as a final condition of our model of initial space-time N-dimensional, the so-called...Contraction of lenghts (according to the General Relativity and “related” Lorentz’s high speeds; such analogy appears evident if we consider space covered by a body in linear motion, as dilated with respect to the space circumscribing the same body in an inertial system.
    Let’s now compare our argument with the basis of General Relativity in order to make them more evident and therefore, as far as some aspects…convalidate them:

    a)The theory of R.G. states that in the proximity of mass, watches are slower.[The value of absolute time decreases considerably when space tends to dilate itself, and vice versa. A strong curbing of space, implies a strong dilatation of the same. Around mass, space is rather curved, so it implies that watches should therefore run slowly].

    b)The theory of R.G. states that in the proximity of mass, gauges (lengths) actually get shorter.

    An interesting aspect therefore of the physical reality our really pleasant time traveller could find itself, at a distance of a few milleniums from his starting temporal interval (that his from his initial space model), is that the same could make it appear (to Eternal Father’s eyes, the only observer who is not subjected to spatio-temporal bonds), with a different “stature” for each different spatio-temporal model. He could obviously never be aware of such thing..
    All these considerations and “logical” deductions on the nature of time travelling, we could solely accept if we took for granted the initial argument on cyclical oscillation of space-time curving of the Universe; otherwise the same would not make any sense.

    ...Dulcis in fundo:

    With a simple analogue reasoning we could come to the following conclusion: if the contraction of lengths in the theory of General Relativity reflects in some way the Contraction of Lorentz expected for bodies in linear motion at high speeds, because for both a determined dilatation of space appears (in order for them to manifest themselves) and considering the fact that for each value of the Contraction of Lorentz corresponds a respective relativistic increase of the mass of the body under question, it could be deducted that such relativitist increase of mass would also somewhat correspond to the contraction of lengths expected in the proximity of mass, that is, where the space is more curved and therefore more dilated. I am simply saying that the mass of a body could vary depending upon the curving of the space in which the same is found. The mass of a body moving away from Earth, should therefore as a principle, noticeably diminish. Such decline, however, due to its endlessly small entity, will surely remain still imponderable for several years to human beings. Inertial mass and gravitational mass, could therefore not be the same but because on Earth the variation of the Gravitational Constant is too small to be measured, nobody has yet been able to deduce such possibility.
    As a last analysis, we could risk the hypothesis that the frequency of stationary waves which define the energetic levels of atoms constituting a determined body that moves away from Earth, due to an decrease of the curving of space and therefore a slight contraction of the same, tends to increase sensibly. In such case, the body under discussion would lean towards manifesting a determining radioactive behaviour (even if minimal) which would lead to an inevitable and obviously imponderable diminishing of its mass. From this hypothesis, another follows which is even more bizzarre:

    The increase of frequency of stationary waves, would entail a proportional increase of quantum interferences of the system taken into consideration. The velocity of decoherence of such system, because of its progressive move away from the Earth, would therefore lead to a decrease; this is because in such a system, there would be more quantum interferences to eliminate*5 The body in question, could therefore in this case, present a determined quantum-classical behaviour.

    If we go back for the nth and last time to our dearest time traveller (Mr.Jack-a-fly ), we could even imagine that he, in determined models of space where he could unfortunately be “projected, he would adopt a quantum-classical behaviour. In front of the eyes of a possible troglodyte or scientist in the year 2600, he could therefore appear and disappear; exactly as the light of an intermittent lamp. Such hypothesis or considerations could surely remind someone of the most striking parts of Charles Berlitz’s book: Experiment Philadelphia. And if we were invaded by „hordes of tourists from the future“ on a daily basis, contrary to Hawking’s beliefs, but could not realize it for the simple fact that we are unable to see them?


    Fausto Intilla
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    You mean along with all the other crap they 'buzzed us with' - Where are the moderators when we need them ?
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    Is this one crap, I dont know if i understand the formulas but I think it is right, is it?
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    If U ask me the most logical way of time travel is to travel at speeds closer to that of light ie. our time elapsed would be less than that of Earth.

    But that means travelling only into the future and no return.
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    Well this will be my first post here, so at the same time I will provide my introduction. I am 23, and work on many theoretical concepts.

    I wanted to share a post I had made in relation to time travel. Since I think there is a possibilty for a different perspective on time.

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    Up to now time travel or time warps are theoretical suggestions of theoretical concepts.

    Before working out the calculations and the validity of such a far stretched idea, there are some versions of baggage that come with this idea or claim.

    There are catagories of time travel.

    First, Can a person travel faster and live longer than his twin? Which is also saying age slower than his twin by temporaraly stretching the time in his own reference frame.

    Second, Can a person travel to an event in time of the future that come to be or a place in the past that has been?

    The first catagory states no traveling in time has occured but rather a change in the flow of time for the obsever that causes nothing more than things that measure time to measure time at a different rate, but when all is said and done you return to the same point only less aged.

    The second catagor is traveling through time as if to imagine time as a never ending video tape and we can hop along its points and slip into the movie.

    The first only warps and is not an actual 'time travel' the second is really time travel, and will explain why this is.

    The baggage that comes with actual time travel. If we state we can travel to an event in the past, or travel to an event in the future we end up with a peice of baggage to deal with and when we open it we see this question insdie. Where is the matter, the energy, the information stored that contains the past and contains the future if it is possible for us to go to it/bring it to us, where is it coming from? Is Time is intelligent? Can it have a memory bank to hold all the events in history so one is able to travel to places in this time? Or is this just hogwash, time is a relative infinite now and does not pass here nor there or come from here nor there.
    baggage is, Fact, in order to time travel, all of time must be stored somewhere, somehow.

    The next question to ask is, If this is all possible where is all the history of time stored? What intelligence stores this information? Or can a dimnension store information? What is it?

    Learning the answer to what holds the information may just be more important than learning how to time travel.

    When we look at time flow change, we can see that one can not move to the past nor the future, but can affect the Now. Since you can not jump ahead in this method, you dont have to deal with storing information. Instead of jumping ahead you would experience the now around you faster so you would get to next week (on earth, after traveling in space) sooner, and no jumping or branching of time happens.

    And one last time, time travel, jumps. It requires the now to have been recorded, stored, memory banked or it can not be gotten to, or retrieved.

    So, We have some versions of time, some versions of time travel, and some versions of baggage (facts to deal with) from each one.

    I think time travel is possible if you have stated everything is stored by some amazing amazing memory bank.

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    If there really is a way to time travel, and jump to the future or past, then, everything must be stored in some kind of form of intelligence. But, if you are also a person that considers the idea of time traveling causeing the creation of a new parrallel dimension, this creation requires intelligence or a resource aswell.

    But if we argue against time travel all together, and consider there is no 'recording effect' of the past and there is no 'playing effect' of from the future, then all there is, is a constant creation of Now, of time unrelated infinity. We must consider the past and the future to not exist, but there is only a source of creation, all moments, all things are in this constant never ending, moment to moment creation.

    So we look at both examples and we get intelligence memory (for time working time travel) creator and intelligence source (for new parralell dimension), and creator and resource of energy (for infinite creation in no time travel). Does this logic flow with anyone else? I find these thoughts so amazing and rather new from anything I've ever heard.

    This then went to some further considerations. If time travel is not possible (which is what I am coming to believe [time travel, not time flow warping]), then we have this flow of creation. In nature we look at the study of physics and we have found light is a constant velocity. There are constants in the quantum physics realm and etc. These constants can not be broken according to relativity. Information or data can not exceed the speed of light, even though scientists are learning to manipulate the wave functions of a light wave.
    So we apply all this evidence to a constant infinite creation of the NOW theory, and logically it makes sense. If you are, and everything is a manifestation of the now, then a constants will be the product of such a world.
    I say this because, if true, you can not change the flow at which things are created with a constant of manifestation, that does not go into the past nor come from a future, it comes from a source but is only an experience of infinity, locked in a realm with constants that can not be broken, and all things material are locked in what seems like time because of this.

    What is the creation, what is the source, what is the constant, what is the intelligence, and what is the force?

    How do we explain this?
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