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    What were the very first branches to sprout out from the universal vine?

    If I'm correct:
    0) Singularity (and some law of physics allowing for plurality)
    1) Seperation of forces (gravity / electronuclear)
    2) Presence and absence (energy and space)


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    I like your philosophical approach to reality. But you are going to need more than a few lines worded in English to even scratch this issue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeElevenNine View Post
    Singularity (and some law of physics allowing for plurality)
    Plurality? Do you know what a singularity is?
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    I've come for answers, if you have them feel free to post.
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    A singularity is more or less a point in space-time where some quantity grows arbitrarily large as you get closer and closer to it. What do you mean by a plurality?
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    How about God was playing with his chemistry set and it blew up?
    Now for the next unansweable question---------------
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheObserver View Post
    A singularity is more or less a point in space-time where some quantity grows arbitrarily large as you get closer and closer to it. What do you mean by a plurality?
    I mean the opposite of a singularity, the point at which the body of the universe went from being one body (singular) to many bodies (plural) seperated by space-time (which is non-existence.)
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    A singularity has nothing to do with the universe being one body. A singularity is basically a point on a graph with a vertical asymptote.
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    I don't want to get too far away from the original question. Leaving mathematics out of the equation try to see it from a more simplistic view.

    If neither energy nor mass can be created or destroyed, and in the beginning the universe was infinitely dense: then there was no space-time to seperate that unity.
    Spacetime was allowed to exist (not exist) only after the first action of the bang took place. Therefore: the unified, singular body of the universe was then divided (its body parts seperated by space-time) allowing for plurality to take center stage.

    I simply want to know, according to the most modern science, what we have found that first event to be. Through my research I have found it to be the seperating of the two forces. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeElevenNine View Post
    If neither energy nor mass can be created or destroyed
    I'm not sure how relevant that is. And we don't know if it is true as we have no idea how, if or when the universe was created.

    and in the beginning the universe was infinitely dense
    And we don't know if that is the case or not. It doesn't sound physically plausible.

    then there was no space-time to seperate that unity.
    It may be that space and time did not exist at some point. Or not.

    I simply want to know, according to the most modern science, what we have found that first event to be.
    We don't know. We can extrapolate things back to an early hot dense state. The earlier you go the more uncertain and speculative things become. There may have been a period when the strong and electro-weak forces were unified. But we don't know much, if anything, about physics under such conditions. There may have been a period before that when gravity was unified with the other forces. But we know even less about that. There may have been a time when time and space did not exist. But we know absolutely nothing about that.
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