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    # Matter waves are similar in nature to:
    a)X-rays
    b)Gamma rays
    c)Cathode rays
    d)None


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    d) None.

    You can see this at:http://www.davis-inc.com/physics/

    But I warn, actually matter waves do not exist, they just come from a wrong theory, the "Wave Mechanics Theory" of De Broglie, Schrodinger, Heissenberg and Dirac.

    The "wave like" behaviour of light and the basic particles like the electron and neutrons can be explained within the "particle model" of them if the right electro-magnetic structures are given to them.
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    A/B, becuase they are both light waves, C is just alot of electrons going throu a cathode

    once again dont listen to martillo, he is somekinda under educated maniac who think he is better than the greatest physicists of all time wich have come with theories taht have been proven MANY times

    martillo for you, how does a electron microscope work if matter isnt waves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by martillo
    d) None.

    You can see this at:http://www.davis-inc.com/physics/

    But I warn, actually matter waves do not exist, they just come from a wrong theory, the "Wave Mechanics Theory" of De Broglie, Schrodinger, Heissenberg and Dirac.

    The "wave like" behaviour of light and the basic particles like the electron and neutrons can be explained within the "particle model" of them if the right electro-magnetic structures are given to them.
    You can find them at: www.geocities.com/anewlightinphysics
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    HAHA, this is just rediculous. He uses the De Broglie Wavelength equation in a sad attempt to disprove Relativity, then tells us that it is incorrect. Not even consistent with his own ideas.
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    He uses the De Broglie Wavelength equation in a sad attempt to disprove Relativity, then tells us that it is incorrect. Not even consistent with his own ideas.
    The De Broglie equation is right although the theory given to it is wrong.
    The same applies to the equation E=mc2, the equation is right but the current theory behind it is wrong.

    Physics confronts some problems and they come from some unhappy coincidences mainly due to bad interpretations of what really happen behind some formulas and inside some experiments, something really difficult to find but I have found them.

    Is not so easy...
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    Im sorry you feel that way.

    Could you please derive E=mc^2 from your new theory of physics for me?
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    most likly not but lets give him a shoot, remember use only none-relativistic formulas to get E=MC². if you use one relativistic or error i´ll hit you hard and fast. oh yeah, maybe you should they say goodbye to something. So be carefull. MOHAHAHA
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    How did you get the 2 to be superscript? 2 isnt working for me.
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    Could you please derive E=mc^2 from your new theory of physics for me?
    In the new theories particles (included photons) have an electromagnetic structure and an associated energy which is called the Electromagnetic Potential "Pem" of the structures and represent the electric and magnetic potential energies accumulated in them.
    Now, the Pem for the particles' structures is Pem=mc2/2 and the total energy of a particle is always:
    E = mc2/2 + mv2/2
    where mv2/2 is the classical kinetic energy.

    For the photons:
    E = mc2/2 + mc2/2 = mc2

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    You must take care since in the new theories the velocity of light is ç = c + u where u is the velocity of the source (the "Emission Theory" of light) and the formula works in a referential at rest in the Universe only.

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    Well, if it has a potential, then it must have a charge. so you are predicting the existence of massless charged particles? Also, to have that much energy, It would have to behave like a dipole, which would mean atoms would tend to align with one another. Neither of these predictions has been observed.
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    Well, if it has a potential, then it must have a charge. so you are predicting the existence of massless charged particles?
    Not at all. Where do you get that idea? I said that even photons have mass!

    Also, to have that much energy, It would have to behave like a dipole, which would mean atoms would tend to align with one another. Neither of these predictions has been observed.
    What has been observed is that particles have spin (magnetic dipole). Atoms are a much more complex structure made of many particles...
    You can take a look at: http://www.geocities.com/anewlightin..._structure.htm

    You are taking it too lightly...
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    oh well, that site were a good laugh.

    iom still waiting for your derivation of E=MC²

    oh yeah btw, mods can u tell martillo have no right to claim here in normal physic forum that his "theory" is the right one and tell that to ppl, that belongs to pseudoscience
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    It will belong to "Pseudoscience" till scientifically recognized as a right theory by the Scientific Community what will happen in some near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    oh yeah btw, mods can u tell martillo have no right to claim here in normal physic forum that his "theory" is the right one and tell that to ppl, that belongs to pseudoscience
    Although he should not tell us that his theory has been proven to be "the right one" until it is so, he certainly has every right to present his theory here for discussion.
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    yes it will,, about the time when all scientist goes mad and threw away the last 50-100 years of expermimantal data
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    The theories verify all that experimentall data. It disagrees with some current theories.
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    no,. your theory says you canr each super luminal speeds, yet experiments shows that you cant, they drag and drag and then drag some more on electron, but it never ever reaches C, it only becomes 0,999999........ C never C then when they keep dragin it still only gets closer and clsoer to C but never C. according to yours this should be fairly simple
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    Not so simple.
    See Section 6.3.
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    congratulation, you showed me proof for classic, that is more than 200 years old
    i want HIGH velocity HIGH gravity data, not LOW. looked there aswell, saw no graphs or tabels of data
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    Zelos,
    You don't even understand what is wrote, you don't even read with attention. Just the title shows high velocities are considered:
    Section 6.3: "The experiment at high velocities".

    You are a too confused guy, writing, reading and thinking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by martillo
    In the new theories particles (included photons) have an electromagnetic structure and an associated energy which is called the Electromagnetic Potential "Pem" of the structures and represent the electric and magnetic potential energies accumulated in them.
    The key word there is "Electromagnetic" by saying that, you imply that there is at least 2 charges there.
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    i looked there, saw no tabels nor any graphs
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    Vroomfondel,
    The key word there is "Electromagnetic" by saying that, you imply that there is at least 2 charges there.
    No, itis implicit that there are both an electric and a magnetic field present.
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    Zelos,
    i looked there, saw no tabels nor any graphs
    There is treated the problems on determining the real velocity of the electrons on high energy experiments particularly the Davisson-Germer experiment. It is said that the current method to deduce the velocities (or Kinetic Energy) from the voltage of the accelerating plates could not be right and is suggested to add a "velocity detector" with crossed electric and magnetic fields to measure velocities directly.
    It is predicted unexpected results!
    It is predicted that electrons can reach C velocity easily!
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    it sure is, yet it havent been observed, the time dilation have been observed, both by gravity and velocity.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_di...l_confirmation
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    it sure is, yet it havent been observed
    There it is suggested current observations at high velocities are wrong due to a wrong deduction of the velocity in the experiments.

    the time dilation have been observed, both by gravity and velocity.
    The new theories have a new interpretation for the currently called "time dilation" phenomena and other "relativistic phenomena".
    See Appendix B - part C: http://www.geocities.com/anewlightin...Appendix_B.htm
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    time dilation for the muon dont work becuase it doesnt use electromagnetism, it uses the WEAK NUCLEAR FORCE, not electromagnetism. so that explination dont work
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    In the new theories the "weak" and the "strong" forces are electromagnetic with redefined electric and magnetic fields!

    In the new theories there are four basic sources of force: gravitational, electric, magnetic and the "ultimate" force.
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    you just keep changing physics, thenhow is the nucleus of atoms kept toghater? explain all the force particles that is weak/strong force?

    your ideas just keep going against experimental data
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    It'a all explained in the manuscript available at the site. I cannot explain it all in posts!
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    probebly not in a 100 aswell
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    Quote Originally Posted by martillo
    In the new theories the "weak" and the "strong" forces are electromagnetic with redefined electric and magnetic fields!

    In the new theories there are four basic sources of force: gravitational, electric, magnetic and the "ultimate" force.
    ULTIMATE FORCE??

    what JACKASS came up with that? :wink:

    convince me, why is there ultimate force?
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    ULTIMATE FORCE??

    what JACKASS came up with that?
    Well then tell me what prevents particles to not be destroyed or fussionated in high energy collisions?
    For example two neutrons collide and a perfectly elastic collission is assumed, then, how this happen? How they beat each other and come back intact?
    Obviously there's a force that acts and you have two ways. One is to assume they are made with some special strong "material", what leave us to another deeper step in the constitution of matter, or to assume there is a force, a repulsive force, that acts strongly at very near distances of particles just to mantain them apart.
    They don't fussionate with each other so a repulsive force is needed. I called it the Ultimate Force.
    Just that.
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    one thing is that they dont have exact position. When that happen for protons neutrons are created sometimes, others are simply gounce off. if kinetic energy is great enough and their speed is reduced enough other particles are created, such as pi particle can be created. but youre also forgetting protons are made up by quarks, so the electron knock one of the quarks so great it reaches a distance where the energy is suffient enough to greate new quarks, then you have a nuetron, electron, and let us say pi particle again, its this kind of experiments that shows the existens of quarks
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    In the new theories is pointed that a totally new subatomic model is needed. That remains to be developed. I can't do that. I have no time and no expertisse to do that.
    All the already experimentally detected particles will have a new category and some typical reactions will be interpreted in a different way.
    See: http://www.geocities.com/anewlightin...omic_Model.htm
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    Today it is thought as:

    N * P + e + antineutrino

    While in the new theory it is thought as:

    N + neutrino * P + e
    not thought, shown

    you keep saying that, if youre not a expert then how can u claim youre right? and youre only afraid that if you keep on the work you´ll find its wrong
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    Zelos,
    You don't worry what can be right or wrong, you simply bother with disregarding comments that are not constructive at all for anybody!
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    ppl have come with so many comments, proof etc that disprove your idea, but you wont accept it, how can u ask ppl to be open minded when youre locked?
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    :? ultimate force still sounds like unreal to me, it might just be amongst other energies..
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    ultimate force sounds kinda childish if you ask me
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    ultimate force sounds kinda childish if you ask me
    Well I will repeat the question I asked:
    Well then tell me what prevents particles to not be destroyed or fussionated in high energy collisions?
    For example two neutrons collide and a perfectly elastic collission is assumed, then, how this happen? How they beat each other and come back intact?
    Obviously there's a force that acts and you have two ways. One is to assume they are made with some special strong "material", what leave us to another deeper step in the constitution of matter, or to assume there is a force, a repulsive force, that acts strongly at very near distances of particles just to mantain them apart.
    They don't fussionate with each other so a repulsive force is needed. I called it the Ultimate Force.
    Just that.
    I don't understand how it haven't been thought about that necessary force before...
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    becuase a particle/wave dont have either a specefic size nor position, they can both be right next to each other and at the same time be in each other. superposition
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    That doesn't explain elastic collissions.
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    it shows that in the way that even when they are in contanct they arent. Whats not in contact dont begin reacting, the forces then is what makes them acctualy interact, if the particle dont itneract right with the right force it wont fuse or anyything, like the neutrino, only reactts by the weak force
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    That don't explain how particles with neutral charge or even opposite charge do really interact having elastic collissions.
    Example: photons and electrons in the Compton effect.
    Also the problem of how quarks of opposite charge cohexist in the interior of a particle as separated particles without fussionating or disappearing...
    Even with the quantum probability of the existency of the particle in some place, which is statistical, there is a high probability for those particles to interact, then, how they mantain separated?

    A repulsive force is needed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by martillo
    A repulsive force is needed!
    Why is it that none of the world's physicists see a need for this force, yet you do?

    This is what puzzles me in all of your conjectures Martillo - you feel you have been gifted with this great insight that has escaped every other investigator. Why do you think this is the case?
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    aslongest he doesnt have any syndrome in the autism spectra he have no special insight and is just a ordinary smith, or what ever its called
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    Ophiolite,
    This is what puzzles me in all of your conjectures Martillo - you feel you have been gifted with this great insight that has escaped every other investigator. Why do you think this is the case?
    Because I have made some theoretical discoveries in Physics. The problem is that you can't believe this.
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    martillo, when quantum mechanic and relativity came, dont u think scientists tried to save classical physics?

    and also if you had made such discoveries in theoretical physics then you would have much mroe mathematics in your ideas instant of just projectons/ideas, theoretical physics is even more strict about mathematic than any other practical physic. Until more math its not theoretical physics and merly a idea

    the problem isnt that we dont want to belive you, you havent given us any reason to belive your idea. You have no evidence, no math that supports your idea. More proof/mathematic is required
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    Relativity and "Wave Mechanics" are extensions to Classical Physics since at our normal "slow" velocities and our "macro world" they both resume to Classical Physics.
    My new theory do pretends to replace both.
    I mean I propose a radical change in Physics.
    Sorry if it seems too much pretention to you but it is that way.

    and also if you had made such discoveries in theoretical physics then you would have much mroe mathematics in your ideas instant of just projectons/ideas, theoretical physics is even more strict about mathematic than any other practical physic. Until more math its not theoretical physics and merly a idea

    the problem isnt that we dont want to belive you, you havent given us any reason to belive your idea. You have no evidence, no math that supports your idea. More proof/mathematic is required
    No, actually the problem is that you don't want to accept me to be the one who have made some discovery so you try to disregard my posting.
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    martillo, i am a very opened person to any theory or anything, but i demand complete and satesfing mathematics. If you provide mathematics that is acceptble i will stop going against you and say "its plausible" until then i´ll keep trying to crush you as ive done before.
    i am a strict evidence and mathematic person i demand evidence, and mathematics. if you satesfy mathematic im happy. or if you give evidence that worx or is even slithly possible i´ll reconsider but not until then
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    I did what I could do, I can't do more than that. I think is a good step towards new things. If it is not so complete as you demand I'm sorry, that's why I'm asking for more expert minds to develop the theories more.
    While that happen you can just sit and wait.
    But I say it again:
    Actually the problem is that you don't want to accept me to be the one who have made some discovery so you try to disregard my posting. And that's why you disfarce your real feeling demanding more complex math or final proofs etc, etc.
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    Why do you assume that no approaching expert minds exist at here and sciforums(to name but 2 forums that nearly 100% of members have laughed at your submissions)?
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    martillo, there is clever ppl here that knows math and physics, and those have laughed, ive called some friends to see your ideas, they laugh. i even showed it to a physicist teacher and he laughed aswell, thought it all was a joke

    but if you cant do better, what makes you so sure it can be right? a physicists dont dare say its right until the mathematic behind the idea is almost false free and even then they arent sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by martillo
    Actually the problem is that you don't want to accept me to be the one who have made some discovery so you try to disregard my posting. And that's why you disfarce your real feeling demanding more complex math or final proofs etc, etc.
    No. No. No. One thousand times no.

    Point 1:We have not ignored your posts. Far from it. Several individuals, myself included, have read, digested (and well near vomited) your half baked, ill conceived, unsubstantiated, puerile, nonsensical conjectures, affording them more attention and courtesy than they deserve in a month of Venusian transits.
    Point 2:Our objections revolve around the fact that these conjectures are totally, utterly, irrevocably, undeniably, incontroveribly, and absolutely wrong.
    Point 3:Your inability to accept that scientific theories, especially those relating to physics, require sound mathematical justification is a mark of great ignorance or great insanity on your part. This is not an affectation on our part. This is not a method to allow us to avoid accepting your ideas. This is the way science works. You refuse to accept that. Fine, but do not then have the audacity to claim you have made some great discovery when the only discovery you have made is that you are a very
    foolish man.
    Point 4:Go out, get a life, get an education, but please stop sullying the halls of this forum with such unmitigated nonsense, arrogance and ignorance.
    Point 5:If you are offended by this, tough. I have tolerated your grossly unscientific approach for rather too long. You are free to continue posting, but if your posts are of the same abyssmal standard expect to have scorn heaped upon them in large volumes and for them to be transfered, in the blink of an eye, to pseudoscience.
    Point 6:To all other readers. The foregoing may seem harsh. However, I believe Martillo's posts are the equivalent of shouting "Fire" in a crowded theatre when no fire exists.
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    i agree with everything Ophiolite said
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    yeah me aswell.
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    Yeah, what he said
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    and also martillo, if you treat particles as if they were solid and fuse it would indicate smaller particles interacting with Em force. You cant treat them as solid objects
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    Why do you assume that no approaching expert minds exist at here and sciforums(to name but 2 forums that nearly 100% of members have laughed at your submissions)?
    martillo, there is clever ppl here that knows math and physics, and those have laughed, ive called some friends to see your ideas, they laugh. i even showed it to a physicist teacher and he laughed aswell, thought it all was a joke
    When De Broglie presented his ideas everybody laughed, after he was given a Nobel Prize. Laugh means nothing.

    Ophiolite:
    You are a moderator of the forum and I respect that, also everybody have agreed with you and the new theories look totally wrong for all of you so I will take away for a review...
    I believe you are intelligent people but I also believe I'm not a so "foolish man"... but I could be wrong even about myself!...
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    when u say that its possible youre a foolish man i can respect you more
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