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  1. #1 THE GOD'S PARTICLE 
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    Is Higg's Boson a real thing or is imaginary because it is mentioned as the God's Particle?? And please dont give me any wiki links cause i've already checked them all.................


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex-The Great
    Is Higg's Boson a real thing or is imaginary because it is mentioned as the God's Particle?? And please dont give me any wiki links cause i've already checked them all.................
    If you've checked all the Wiki links then you already know that:

    The Higgs boson is often referred to as "the God particle" by the media, after the title of Leon Lederman's book, The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question?. While use of this term may have contributed to increased media interest in particle physics and the Large Hadron Collider, many scientists dislike it, since it overstates the particle's importance, not least since its discovery would still leave unanswered questions about the unification of QCD, the Electroweak interaction and gravity, and the ultimate origin of the universe...
    (ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_particle_(physics)#.22The_God_particle.22 )

    You also know from the same Wikipedia article that:

    The Higgs boson is a hypothetical massive elementary particle predicted to exist by the Standard Model of particle physics. The existence of the particle is postulated to resolve inconsistencies in theoretical physics and attempts are being made to find the particle by experiment...

    ......and.....

    The Higgs boson's existence is not a strictly necessary consequence of the Higgs mechanism: the Higgs boson exists in some but not all theories which use the Higgs mechanism. For example, Higgs boson exists in the Standard Model and the Minimal Supersymmetric Standard Model yet it is not expected to exist in Technicolor models or Higgsless models. All of these models realize various forms of the Higgs mechanism. A goal of the LHC experiments is to distinguish among these models and determine if the Higgs boson exists or not...
    (ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson )

    In short, the Higgs boson is a hypothetical particle that physicists think might exist. Since it hasn't been detected yet no one can say for sure whether or not it actually does exist.

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    It would be really surprising if the Higgs Boson cannot be found though, seeing that it is fundamental to the Standard Model and the Standard Model seems to work spectacularly well in the energy regimes we have been able to test it in.
    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by river_rat
    It would be really surprising if the Higgs Boson cannot be found though, seeing that it is fundamental to the Standard Model and the Standard Model seems to work spectacularly well in the energy regimes we have been able to test it in.
    That is certainly what one hears most often.

    However, surprises at the cutting edge of research are also common. A high energy physicist of my acquaintence I think will not be too surprised if everyone is surprised and it is not found, although he is a bit circumspect when choosing his words.

    While models have shown striking success, there are also some problems. CP symmetry breaking as predicted is not sufficient to explain the near absence of antimatter. QED predictions of the vacuum energy over-predict the observed cosmological constant by a factor of something like 10^120 (depending on what cut-off is selected). Quantum field theories are not on a solid mathematical basis.

    Probably of equal interest, though not as widely publicized in the popular press, is the search for signs of supersymmetry. A lot of people, notably string theorists, have hung their hats on supersymmetry. So far there is not a shred of experimental evidence to support it.

    Whatever the case, the search is on in earnest. Bets in the "office pool" are unlikely to affect the outcome.
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    what if during the large hadron collider experiment a a big bang like situation appears then.............. :? what would happen??????..or most basically will it happen..........what if by mistake thre's a crack gone unnoticed on the large hadron collider :? :? :? ...........i'm seriously scared......... :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex-The Great
    Is Higg's Boson a real thing or is imaginary because it is mentioned as the God's Particle?? And please dont give me any wiki links cause i've already checked them all.
    Like CSMYTH says, it's hypothetical. And I'm afraid it's been hyped to hell. To find out the real deal on it, take a look at A Zeptospace Odyssey: A Journey into the Physics of the LHC by Gian Francesco Giudice, a physicist at CERN. There's a search-inside on Amazon, and if you search on Higgs sector you can read pages 173 through 175. He starts by saying
    The most inappropriate name ever given to the Higgs boson is "The God particle". The name gives the impression that the Higgs boson is the central particle of the Standard Model, governing its structure. But this is very far from the truth.
    On page 174 he says this:
    Unlike the rest of the theory, the Higgs sector is rather arbitrary, and its form is not dictated by any deep fundamental principle. For this reason its structure looks frighteningly ad-hoc.
    Then he says this:
    It is sometimes said that the discovery of the Higgs boson will explain the mystery of the origin of mass. This statement requires a good deal of qualification. Most of the mass of ordinary matter is carried by atomic nuclei, which are made of protons and neutrons, which in turn, are made of quarks. But the masses of protons and neutrons are not simply given by the sum of the masses of the constituent quarks, which accounts for only about 1 per cent of the total. Mass is (recall E=mc˛) the intrinsic energy of a body at rest. So about 98 per cent of the mass of protons or neutrons comes from the frantic motion of quarks and gluons confined in their interiors, or, more precisely, from the binding force of QCD. Electromagnetic effects count for another 1 per cent.

    The Higgs machanism is ultimately responsible for generating the quark masses, but not for the QCD effect. This is the reason for which it was stated previously that the Higgs substance provides for less than a kilogram of our body mass. Moreover, as will be illustrated in Chapter 12, most of the matter in the universe is in the form of dark matter. Although the nature of dark matter is still unknown, it is unlikely that its mass originates from the Higgs substance. In summary the Higgs mechanism accounts for about 1 per cent of the mass of ordinary matter, and for only 0.2 per cent of the mass in the universe. This is not nearly enough to justify the claim of explaining the origin of mass."
    So it's hypothetical, and it's not nearly as important as the hype would have you believe. Your voting options weren't ideal, but given this, I voted "imaginary".
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    thanks for the link i liked it............... :-D
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