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    I posted an idea in the religion section and referred to time. Then someone made a great post that showed me that I have very little understanding in what time is.

    Can anyone put some explainations as to how to prove the existance of time or really anything about how it works? Time travel theories would be cool too.


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    oh well i guess there was already a time travel post so just the science of time would be great, thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    someone made a great post that showed me that I have very little understanding in what time is.

    Can anyone put some explainations as to how to prove the existance of time
    If you recognize that you do not understand what time is, then there is little value in searching for proof of its existence.

    What do you think that time is?
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    What i mean is: you can't see, touch, hear, taste, etc... time. How is time explained? I have heard theories that are very vague. One of which is that time does not exist in the way we think of it. It is simply an idea we have created to understand our perception of events. I said this in a different post and got a reaction that time is not at all like this. So, what is it like?
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    time=increasement of entropy
    as time passes the disorder of the universe increase
    and also those things ur tlaking about have nothing to do with reality.
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    I've always thought of time as motion/a record of motion. Things changing. What happens when you stop time? Things stop moving. Things stop changing. People stop thinking...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    What i mean is: you can't see, touch, hear, taste, etc... time. How is time explained? I have heard theories that are very vague. One of which is that time does not exist in the way we think of it. It is simply an idea we have created to understand our perception of events. I said this in a different post and got a reaction that time is not at all like this. So, what is it like?
    There are many ways, and opinions about how, to understand time. You will perhaps read may different ways here. Some people think that time does not exist. Some think that it exists only as a human construct. Others think that time is meaningful only as a way to measure motion through space.

    I contend that you cannot see, touch, or taste, etc., without time. I consider that time is one of the two fundamental constitutents of the universe, the other being space. Furthermore, in the modern state of the universe, post big bang, time and space cannot exist outside of the context of each other, as space-time. Therefore, time is, at best, a poor approximation of space-time. One of the features of time is that without time there could be no change in space, as all change takes time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    as time passes the disorder of the universe increase
    that doesn't explain what time is, its just a phenomenon associated with the passing of time. since we know entropy only increases with time, the increase in entropy is therefor associated with one direction of motion through time.

    this phenomenon is useful however because it gives time a direction and a magnitude, when measuements are conducted on a particular system, which is why i like to think of time as a vector.
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    it explain wha time is, thats the explination of time scientists uses.
    it gives the time one direction, and a physical appherens or what ver u want to call it
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    this phenomenon is useful however because it gives time a direction and a magnitude, when measuements are conducted on a particular system, which is why i like to think of time as a vector.
    I consider your definition extremely limiting. When you draw the vector of time, in which direction do you draw the direction? How can it matter? Also, on what possible basis can you measure the magnitude?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    it explain wha time is, thats the explination of time scientists uses.
    it gives the time one direction, and a physical appherens or what ver u want to call it
    so do many other things, for example:

    - the interval by which to an observer in an intertial frame of referance light travels 299,792,458 meters.

    - the interval by which a car travels 5Km.
    and one of any other measurements, that measure one phenomenon with respect to time.

    entropy provides a thermodynamic direction since it will only ever increase in a closed system that lacks external energy input, and hence any measurement of time will be possitive and all the above examples will still apply.
    from this a position may also arrise.

    entropy can be used to measure time, however time having both a magnitude and direction is a vector.
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    nope, because if u used light to define time then it doesnt matter what direction times goes, they are both the same, while the entropy one gives on direction only. it goes either to increase, or decrease, and the universe started with little entropy, then it have to go to more entropy
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    A WORD ABOUT SIGNS OF THE TIMES.
    A Disinformational Time Of The Signs:


    'Time is a hallucination purveyed by the inventors of space.'
    - A (popularly deluded) bumpersticker mentality.

    Time is synonymous with motion - refer space-time.

    Actually: terrestrial time standards are based on astronomical motions of the planet(s) around the sun, and the revolutionary moton of the planet on it's own axis. A planetary year equals its completion of a 360 degree arc - round trip - about the sun (Which, itself is bound toward Vega). A month of 30 days is 1/12th of a year. A week is 1/4th of that month. A day is 1/7th of that week. An hour is 1/24th of a day. A minute is 1/60th of an hour. A second is 1/60th of a minute.

    Therefore, a second of time, for example is also 18 1/2 miles of space: traveled by the earth in its annual orbit around the sun.
    Sums up the bumper-stickered, satanistically inspired hallucination. Its about time. Time has come - is constantly arriving and departing in the 'eternal now' - today.

    POST GRADUATE TIME, continued:

    Moreover (Refer TOTAL UNIFIED FIELD THEORY, by K.B. Robertson):

    Non-Absolute Relativistic 4-D space-time. What it is:
    Time, furthermore, in 4 dimensions, is shorter and faster in smaller, past (microcosmic) spaces, and slower (dilated) in future (macrocosmic) larger spaces; when compared to present time at any given moment of an observer in the eternal present: exactly between small fast space and large slow space. A square mile is not the same spatial size, when compared with itself; from the present: relative to (smaller, more dense) past or (larger, less dense) future 4-D expanding space.

    Neither therefore, is 60 miles per hour (or 186,282 m.p.s.) always the same speed. Or a year, month, week, day, hour - or a second, always the same comparative duration.

    Proving that the value of time varies with the value of space it occurs in.

    Refer relativistic time dilation. Slow time (Macrocosmic 'weak forces') occurring in relatively larger spaces; fast time (Microcosmically 'strong forces') occurring in relatively smaller and larger (earlier and later) spaces. The relativity of time values. The value of time ostensibly varies with the value of space it occurs in.

    Refer: Einstein's 'non-absolute relative space', and 'non-absolute relative time'. For which, until here and now, there are not even any failed explanations.

    Of course, in a 4-D universe, the value of time and space (4-D space-time) quite inevitably varies, from coordinate system to coordinate system. The speed of light for example, is ever-increasing, while remaining constant, relative to the coordinate system from which it originates and in which it is measured. The value of time being covariant with the smaller and larger - earlier and later - 4-D space-times it occurs and/or is measured in.

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    Post Script: Note - space, like time, is the interval between two or more events or entities; refer - Einstein's union of Newton's 'space and time', into relativistic 'space-time'. There can be no motion when there's no space, When motion occurs in space, it is time. Zelo's reply (below) to Brave seems to be valid, though abbreviated. Very good thread question.
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    Why question what time is, but accept what distance is.

    What is distance?

    Describe what a centimeter is without putting it in terms of another measurement. (i.e. not 10 mm).
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    1 cm is a distance in 1-3 dimensions that seperates things by space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BraveBen
    What is distance?

    Describe what a centimeter is without putting it in terms of another measurement. (i.e. not 10 mm).
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    1 cm is a distance in 1-3 dimensions that seperates things by space.
    You were asked to define what distance is, and to state what a centimeter is. You did not state what a centimeter is, except by defining the word 100% in tems of distance, the very word that you were asked to define. In addition, you say 1-3 dimensions. What does this mean? A centimeter is a measure of distance in 1 dimension only, is it not? Whatever distance is.

    If you really wish to respond to this quetion, go ahead and describe what a centimeter is, as asked. And. oh yes, if you wish to follow the request and do not want to describe it in terms of another measurement, do not use the notion of time in your descriptioin.
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  18. #17 What is time? (What is Space?) ((What is distance?")) 
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    'What is Distance?' (Xeno's paradox)

    The subjection of both time and distance evokes a consideration called 'Xeno's paradox'; which isn't really paradoxical. It has to do with a given - arbitrary - distance, from A to B. The distance from start A to finish B may be a mile or a yard or an inch, etc., where the proposed paradox emerges when you cut A to B in half, making A to B half as long as it was; then cut that half in half again, making the remaining A to B one quarter of the distance the original A to B was. This process, according to Xeno, can be carried on indefinitely, and anyone traveling from A to B, by these standards, cannot and never does arrive at B, because the bisecting of A to B goes on forever...



    On the other hand, it is well known that in real facts of space, any thing or person may move from A and arrive at B successfully.



    The factor of time is omitted from - and only the factor of space and distance is included in - Xeno's proposal that no person or thing can ever arrive at B from A.



    Xeno was probably well aware of his omission of time and it's likely he introduced the false dilemma so as to encourage people to think about the meaning, and importance of time, relative to space (distance). This thought problem is all the more interesting, since it was conjured centuries before Einsten's unification of space and time into 'space-time'.



    The question 'What is time?' seems fairly synonymous with 'What is space?', and tantamount to the question 'What is distance?' These questions apparently originate with and intersect in the same resolution.



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    1-3 dimensions is because we dont really know in what way all 3 dimensions are, like if u say that direction it canm be 1D to u, but ´throu 3D for another.

    time and space is the same, they exist to keep everything seperated. space is to keep things from bieng at the same place and time is to keep things seperate by time so they dont happen all at the same time.

    if u remove space everything is at the same place, if u remove time everything happens at one time and then there is nothing left to happen

    for fun, i am 2,01531432692*10^12 meters old. figure this out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    1-3 dimensions is because we dont really know in what way all 3 dimensions are, like if u say that direction it canm be 1D to u, but ´throu 3D for another.
    I have never heard anyone use a centimeter as a measure of distance in more that 1d.

    time and space is the same, they exist to keep everything seperated. space is to keep things from bieng at the same place and time is to keep things seperate by time so they dont happen all at the same time.
    Wow, what a limiting defintion. I do recognize that you have the right to your own concept of time and space, but this definition seems to be lacking in usefulness.

    if u remove space everything is at the same place,
    If I remove space, then there would be nothing at all and no place for it to be.

    if u remove time everything happens at one time and then there is nothing left to happen
    If I remove time there would be no one time, and "then" becomes meaningless, and "there is nothing left to happen" becomes meaningless..
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    oh god, its the relative dimensions im tlaking about.
    but the rest are u right at that universe this concepts are meaningless. but then again im talking about relative to us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    oh god, its the relative dimensions im tlaking about.
    but the rest are u right at that universe this concepts are meaningless. but then again im talking about relative to us
    Please translate this into English. I have no idea what any of this mean.
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    The existence of the SPACE creates the TIME, then the SPACE has “Past”, “Present” and “Future”. The SPACE like the frame of film contains all messages in space at that time. Suppose the SPACE as the point, and then the TIME would be the line.

    CM isn't the space but one of measurements of space, and second isn't the time but measurement of time.

    When the matter disappear means its' space disappear and its' time end.
    Our universe is a supper matter.
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    Space doesnt need time, and time doesnt need space, they are seperated
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Space doesnt need time, and time doesnt need space, they are seperated
    So you have no interest in the concept of space-time?
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    WOW!!! This is awesome!! This is really helping me to understand time better.

    I had an idea the other day about time travel. What if we could travel through time but, if we went forward we would have the memories of the past and if we went backwards we would not know the future. Meaning, maybe we can travel through time, we just can't feel it. This inspired me to do things better because maybe I have already gone back in time for that very reason. Or maybe I am just making this all up to give myself a reason to do better. Either way it's fun to think about.

    Keep this going, time is cool to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Space doesnt need time, and time doesnt need space, they are seperated
    The time must belong to main body. THe time end when main body disappear. Every matter has its' time, if all matter be united to form the universe(a super matter), then the universe time create. The simplest matter is the space, and all matter need space, so the time need the space.
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    the concept spacetime means that time and space is linked in this universe. but in other universes they might be seperate and doesnt neccesery ned to be 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    for fun, i am 2,01531432692*10^12 meters old. figure this out
    What is the space to time conversion factor?? Sorry, I like physics but, have had very little training in it.
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    1m of time equals 1/C
    1m = 1/c s
    and 1 m = c²/G kg
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    Quote Originally Posted by That Rascal Puff
    A WORD ABOUT SIGNS OF THE TIMES.
    A Disinformational Time Of The Signs:


    Post Script: There can be no motion when there's no space, When motion occurs in space, it is time.
    There also be no motion when there's no time. When there no motion in space, there only space exists, and the existence of space is the space's time. The time can exist but cann't been scaled when there's no motion.
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    After reading the posts my idea is that time is the movement of the universe as it expands. When the universe expands time is created. Read the other posts about entropy and it should fit in with most other theories. :-D

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    What is amazing is how much variation there is in people's perception of time....given our society's preoccupation with time (clocks ahoy).

    Does anyone know if there are any spacetime calculators out there?
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    hehe, time is an orderly decay of particles
    the decay can be into bigger or smaller particles
    all we know is that the universe cooles down by particles absorbing energy

    this just might have nothing to do with time, but it's still interesting right?

    hmm just this

    matter (inactive particle) * time = atom (active particle)
    matter (inactive particle) / time = energy
    energy * time * time = atom (active particle)

    still don't know what time is..

    but this would mean energy = antitime and this would mean that antienergy also exists and antienergy = time

    i guess there is no answer..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    the concept spacetime means that time and space is linked in this universe. but in other universes they might be seperate and doesnt neccesery ned to be 1
    are you saying that there could be cases whereby motion occurs without time?
    unfortunately my picture of time is that of it being linked with space so maybe you know something that i don't but.

    if there was no time then that means t=0, no time is the equivelant of saying that no time has passed.
    that means that for a car travelling at 10ms<sup>-1</sup> its motion could be described as v= 10ms<sup>-1</sup>/0.
    to my understanding this makes the motion infinite, undefined or impossible. none of these are good for describing motion.
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    Well, all of this confusion arises from the separation of spacetime into space and time. Time is a measurement in exactly the same way distance is. They can even be rotated into each other with lorentzian transforms. So one just has to think of time as the 4th dimenseion of spacetime, and everything will begin to fall into place.
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    and all measurement is arbitrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vroomfondel
    Time is a measurement in exactly the same way distance is.
    The use of your word "is" is confusing. Time is not a measurement. Time can be used for measuring motion in space.
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    Im using "Time is a measurement" in the same way one uses "Distance is a measurement."
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    i mean that they dont have to be one. in one universe it can be so that gravity bend space but elaves time uneffected.
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