Thread: The Third Electrical Current- Sully DC [SDC] Patented

A US Patent has been awarded to John Timothy Sullivan for the Sully Direct Current, which is not AC nor DC. Discovered as part of new a electrolysis technique.
BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, USA -- Clear Energy, Inc., a small R&D company in Baltimore, has been issued US Patent number 7,041,203 for a new electrical current.

More at source

Homepage:
http://www.sullydc.com/index.html

Patent:
http://patft.uspto.gov

Motion Diagram:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

Mr. Sullys' forum thread at PhysOrg:
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=5266

Images:
http://www.rexresearch.com/sullivan/sullivan.htm

It is not clear in the images in the first link, but the electrode is a coil within a coil. The purpose being to shake the electrode.

Current flowing through the coils changes direction while current flowing out of them, and through the electrolyte does not change direction.

Both AC and DC properties within the same device without switching polarity.

New diagrams to be released soon better illustrating the system with new applications.

There is one benefit that is not so obvious, and you need to look at it as a power source to understand. From the sully DC power power station, across the Sully DC power lines, and too your Sully DC powered device there is no change in current direction within the wires so there is not the EMF loss/hazard associated with AC, but you still have the switching benefits of AC.

It helps if you try to forget what you CAN'T do with typical AC and DC circuits.

Lets use figure 12 from the patent for discussion to avoid confusion:
rexresearch.com/sullivan/fig12.jpg

From the Patent:
The multi-directional electric currents have the effect of accelerating processes that rely on interaction between a current and the medium that carries the current, and of eliminating asymmetries that can lead to scaling or premature wear in batteries and other electrolytic systems. The medium that carries the multi-dimensional currents may be an electrolyte, gas, gel, semiconductor, or any other medium capable of carrying current between two electrodes, and having at least two dimensions so as to enable variation in the current direction.
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If the voltages applied to the electrodes are DC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of DC currents, and if the voltages applied to the electrodes are two or three phase AC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of AC currents. However, unlike conventional DC and AC currents, the currents generated by the method and apparatus of the invention move or rotate. If the electrodes are one-dimensional wires, then the currents rotate in two-directions. If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimensions.

SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path which is the fluid electrolyte[Water + Electrolyte]. Through wires you can only have AC or DC in their various forms. SDC has characteristics that are found in both AC and DC that would seem to be mutally exclusive, and they are in a single dimensional circuit.

In figure 12 you see two wires. One is connected to the two positive terminals, and the other to the two negative terminals. The four switches are alternated 180 degrees out of phase. In the first half of the cycle current flows from one pole through the wire, then through the coil to all points where conductor is touching the fluid medium, then across the medium to the other wire, and on to the opposing pole. At no time are there any more than two poles with a switch closed. In the second half of the cycle the current path is the same except that its coming from the opposite end of the wire.

Think of the coil as having two single dimensional connections, and one multi-dimensional connection. Through the connection between the two power supply poles you have AC current without changing polarity. Through the connection between the poles and the medium you have DC current[in single dimensional terms. Actually its SDC].

Through the coil the direction of the current flow changes, but polarity never changes. Through the medium the current flow between anode and cathode never reverses, but its physical direction through the medium does change. It sort of sways back and forth without reversing direction. In absolute terms using one dimensional measurments you have continuous DC current flow between anode and cathode. It has all the properties of DC, but since the current flow though the medium is changing directions the current takes on the magnetic properties of AC current.

You only need to change the direction, not reverse directions.

It is DC with a property normally associated with AC.

And it is AC with a property normally associated with DC.

The effect cannot be reproduced with AC or DC. The properties are mutually exclusive in those systems. The new physical dimension in the circuit allows the current to possess an additional electrical property.

If you are having a hard time understanding don't feel bad. I can't begin to do even the simplest parts of the math, but I can visualize what is happening in my mind.

And I think 3DC [implying new dimensions] might be a better term, but Mr. Sullivan might not like the idea.

Michael

ADD:

SDC current through the electrolyte in the example also carries a time component even though flow is continuous DC in single dimensional terms.

In other designs the current allows other combinations of properties that are mutually exclusive to AC and DC.

You can have your cake, and eat it too.

Looks interesting...

You are aware that patents are really easy to obtain?
I'm not an electrical engineer, but as a physics undergraduateI think calling this a new form of current is stretching the word 'current'. Im not sure whether manipulating AC and DC should warrentsuch grandure. As for this revolutionizing electricity of sorts, I think only time will tell, but it's interesting to note that this alleged discovery is appearing along with nutso free energy claims.

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

You are aware that patents are really easy to obtain?
I'm not an electrical engineer, but as a physics undergraduateI think calling this a new form of current is stretching the word 'current'. Im not sure whether manipulating AC and DC should warrentsuch grandure. As for this revolutionizing electricity of sorts, I think only time will tell, but it's interesting to note that this alleged discovery is appearing along with nutso free energy claims.

I have read through the patent, and all comments I could find searching through Google, and not once did I see a free energy claim.

Its a new form of current because it has properties found in both AC and DC that would normally be considered mutually exclusive. The extra physical dimensions of the fluid medium allow extra electrical properties. The destination of the ions changes as the cycle advances so the current will sort of wave back and forth and/or spin. While the strange behavior of current through a multi-dimensional path is known the concept of controling it and using it in this method is unique to me, and apparently the US Patent Office. I would like to see similar examples if there are any.

A detailed rebuttal to those who think its an X-Bridge will be released soon.

Originally Posted by ArchAngel

Originally Posted by Imaplanck.

You are aware that patents are really easy to obtain?
I'm not an electrical engineer, but as a physics undergraduateI think calling this a new form of current is stretching the word 'current'. Im not sure whether manipulating AC and DC should warrentsuch grandure. As for this revolutionizing electricity of sorts, I think only time will tell, but it's interesting to note that this alleged discovery is appearing along with nutso free energy claims.

I have read through the patent, and all comments I could find searching through Google, and not once did I see a free energy claim.

Its a new form of current because it has properties found in both AC and DC that would normally be considered mutually exclusive. The extra physical dimensions of the fluid medium allow extra electrical properties. The destination of the ions changes as the cycle advances so the current will sort of wave back and forth and/or spin. While the strange behavior of current through a multi-dimensional path is known the concept of controling it and using it in this method is unique to me, and apparently the US Patent Office. I would like to see similar examples if there are any.

A detailed rebuttal to those who think its an X-Bridge will be released soon.

I didn't say it was a free energy invention I just said it is appearing along side such alleged inventions.

http://pesn.com/2006/06/12/9500280_N...icity_SullyDC/


Sorry maybe this is not representative but this was the first place I was linked(from another forum) to SullyDC and I thought it was worth noting.

here some links showing up the disgrace(if you like) of the US patent system.
http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-06/060206nothing.html


http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...DN/20060071122


Im sure time will tell if my scepticism is merited though

In a one dimensional world the only way to change direction is to reverse direction, but thats not true in a multi-dimensional world.

The change in current direction through the coil-electrode is accomplished by switching which end of the wire is connected to the anode or cathode, but current flow between electrodes across the fluid medium does not reverse directions. Anode and Cathode do not switch, but direction does change.

Current flow through the wire changes direction without changing polarity, and current flow through the fluid medium does not reverse direction.

A wire may be a single dimensional current path, but an electrode is not, and neither is a fluid medium capable of carrying current such as water with an electrolyte added.

Originally Posted by swansont

No, it doesn't. The polarity, as defined in the drawing that notes that the voltmeter never changes sign, meaning it's the same polarity. Change the alternating voltage by less than V_offset.

Polarity does not change, but the direction of current through the coil does change by changing its origin.



In a one dimensional world the only way to change direction is to reverse direction, but thats not true in a multi-dimensional world.

The change in current direction through the coil-electrode is accomplished by switching which end of the wire is connected to the anode or cathode, but current flow between electrodes across the fluid medium does not reverse directions. Anode and Cathode do not switch, but direction does change. Current flow through the wire changes direction without changing polarity, and curent flow through the fluid medium does not reverse direction.

A wire may be a single dimensional current path, but an electrode is not, and neither is a fluid medium capable of carrying current such as water with an electrolyte added. Think of the path as everything between origin, and destination. The path of the flow changes, but the origin and destination do not switch. It goes from the same place to the same place, but leaves and arrives by different paths. In a solid circuit the path never changes.

You can't change origin and destination without switching polarity with either DC or AC. The four wires from the SDC power supply allow changing both origin and destination through a fluid medium capable of conducting current without switching polarity. Its not AC because anode, and Cathode never switch, and its not DC because origin and destination do change.

Its all about controling and using the additional dimensions of a fluid medium. While the nature of fluid conduction is understood controling it through switching without reversing polarity is new and unique.

The point is that, the way the four terminals are switched, the current WITHIN ONE ELECTRODE reverses direction, and has zero average value at the center. At the same time, the voltage BETWEEN ELECTRODES is a constant DC value (ignoring switching transients). Thus “multidirectional DC” refers simultaneously to the multidirectional intra-electrode current and the single direction inter-electrode current.