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  1. #1 From Brains To Hard Drives 
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    scientists say that they have discovered how to turn brain signals into computer code (Source: Popular Science Magazine) and that it takes over 1000 Terabytes of space for the average human brain, and that is not feasible. and another thing. if you "downloaded" a brain, would the downloaded version of the brain do the same thing as the real person? and if it did, could you predict actions? find out secrets? if suddam hussien new some plans that would be carried out regardless of his capture, couldnt we just copy his brain? could we predict terrorist actions based on his knowledge? it would be worth the terabytes if we saved lives. there are countless ways to use this technology today. but is it ethical?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    scientists say that they have discovered how to turn brain signals into computer code (Source: Popular Science Magazine) and that it takes over 1000 Terabytes of space for the average human brain, and that is not feasible. and another thing. if you "downloaded" a brain, would the downloaded version of the brain do the same thing as the real person? and if it did, could you predict actions? find out secrets? if suddam hussien new some plans that would be carried out regardless of his capture, couldnt we just copy his brain? could we predict terrorist actions based on his knowledge? it would be worth the terabytes if we saved lives. there are countless ways to use this technology today. but is it ethical?
    1.) Physics?
    2.) ethics?
    3.) can we really predict actions of humans as it is?
    4.) brains are not like ordinary computers, if they were going into my C drive to find secrets you will most likely come across a password protection system, or self deleating files. i'd like to deleate certain memories but life just is not that easy. so why should reading minds.


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    It is not possible. The hard drive is a device for storage, and the brain is a processor. One could only stoore memories on a hard drive, not the brain itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vroomfondel
    It is not possible. The hard drive is a device for storage, and the brain is a processor. One could only stoore memories on a hard drive, not the brain itself.
    but what if you cloned brain tissue, and put the memories on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    but what if you cloned brain tissue, and put the memories on it?
    Interesting proposition. But it seems to my like the brain is far too complex for us to be able to clone in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    ...it takes over 1000 Terabytes of space for the average human brain, and that is not feasible.
    It should cost under $500,000 for 1000 terabytes of computer storage, based on the current rate of around $0.50/gigabyte.
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    I could go on the web now and buy 1000 TB of storage for less than $100,000
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    maybe we can save memories, individually. we even could save whole thoughts, and ideas. But it's impossible to ever download a concious mind into a computer... because it would be like duplicating. Who is who, and can someone have multiple conciousnesses on the same time??

    i even believe that some people change during their life. Their personality shifts into other brain cells that change personality. All the person has that holds his personality together are his memories.

    This would explain many changes in personalities during aging. Like dementation or psychofrenia.

    i bet it is possible to simulate a concious and put it into a human. To change him/her. But it won't be a real person.
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    even if your stored your memories or downloaded the contents of your brain and linked it up to a proccessor to create and electronic brain of soughts, do you think that they could simulate the emotional responses we see as a result of hormone and chemical introduction into our body?

    i mean a human without emotion or feeling is a computer who responds to basic external input and won't be capable of making there own decisions, i wouldn't consider that to be anymore conscious as a computer. this would really just make a human being about as useful as a calculator.

    i don't like it when people push my buttons so i don't fancy being used as a calculator.
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    i dont see how it could be wrong
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    it wouldn't be wrong but i'm thinking that the human mind would no longer be human if its contents were on hard drive.
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    Even if you could upload all possible information about your brain into a computer and create a program that used the information to perfectly simulate your consciousness, maybe even to the point where the computer was self-aware and thought that it was you, it's not clear that it would actually be you. It would just be a computer program that thought it was you. If you died, you would still be dead. The fact that you are survived by a computer program that thinks it's you doesn't make you any less dead.
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    it depends on how u define ur self. i define my self as my councius and my thoughts. And the body is simply the host of a processing/storing unit of the data wich we call the brain.

    In that case it doesnt matter what processes/stored the information it will allways be u aslongest the organic part dies. IN this definition its simply a host/proccessing/storing unit that got broken and needed to be replaced, wich is the computer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    it depends on how u define ur self. i define my self as my councius and my thoughts. And the body is simply the host of a processing/storing unit of the data wich we call the brain.

    In that case it doesnt matter what processes/stored the information it will allways be u aslongest the organic part dies. IN this definition its simply a host/proccessing/storing unit that got broken and needed to be replaced, wich is the computer
    Suppose you step into a machine that can perfectly replicate any object. The machine is switched on and a few seconds later a perfect copy of yourself, with all of your thoughts, memories etc., appears on the other side of the room. You both step out of the machine and wave at each other. Would you be perfectly happy to kill yourself now, knowing that another being exists that can exactly reproduce your consciousness?
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    No, the other side of the room might be different. Your replica might get a cold and you might not. He/she might want the heating up and you it down. In a few years you might be very different from your replica. If you produce another you it will be slightly different in a few seconds and hughly different in a few years. We are not our brains and our bodies, we are an ever changing system, it's pointless reproducing it. Better to make something that we have some idea of how it will act. Like a car or washing machine, we've done that, that's why.
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    Well I would just say it is a WASTE OF HARD DRIVE SPACE TO... I mean I would ratter have "MOVIES" waste 1000 Terabytes of a harddrive than a copy of my brain.

    Even so... what can you do inside a hard drive... if you say you can place your self into another body you ARE TOTALLY WRONG

    You must understand that the brain knows ONLY HIS BODY and another body will need different command... so how will you tell your body to make the heart work?
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    I agree. A human body is more than just a brain. It is an interaction between organs and many cells. I don't think it's possible in the near (200 years) future.
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    of course a human body is more than a brain. but the mian purpose of the entire body is nothing but act a storage unit for genetical data wich shall be passed on to the next generation and also as a prototype of the genetical data.
    but i agree on that a clone gets more different with time. but if u copy the memory of a person into a ocmputer and dl it into a new body he/she will be the same person that almost died a few monites/days ago but will continue to change as time go as he/she normaly would.
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    To have a relatively accurate mental replication you would need imo a very sophisticated simulation that accounts for synaptic activity, new pathways and memory(new memory and loss of memory or inacessibility), sensory replication of all senses(sight, hearing, smell, toucn, taste) and including internal sensory experience(pain, exhaution, breathing rate/shortness of breath, heart rate, heat/cold reaction), simulation of hormonal activity(emotion), metabolic processes (sweating, hunger, thirst, elimination).

    You could also have an extrior simulation, such as a small room with a computer with access to the internet and videophone.

    All this would take a huge amount of computer memory and processing power, but given enough time and research it feasable.


    Personaly I see this as being more related to computer sciences than physics.
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    would we have to make the computer self-aware? couldnt we just store memories? like with alziemers patients. it would be like creating a restore point on your computer. and as for making a computer program to show how we would react? impossible. the computer would also have to make up the surroundings.

    we are indeed shaped by our memories, so that at birth only instincts are at hand.




    and what if we could upload knowledge? you could upload knowledge of the internet. right next to the "print page" button, you could have the "memory upload" button. and you could tell your friends about anything with wi-fi transmitters to each other. talking would be obsolete. we could fool our brain to ignore pain. we could not be obese by using mental gastric bypass.

    *gasp* I have the hiccups from from so much exicetment. i could type many more things, but my fingers are tired.
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    I suppose you could have memories only.

    But I doubt there could be an upload feature for some time (unlesss you have computer implants), I have a huntch it would be quite disruptive or unpleasant to have memories forced upon your neurons. Viewing/experiencing memories like a virtual reality movie is one thing, but a direct brute transfer of memories sounds like another thing entirely.
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    nothing forced.. the brains are in control, also about the implants.. they just work more binary than your brain.. It'll make calculation a piece of cake :wink:
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