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  1. #1 The blunders in the modern physics 
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    Hi,

    I found a site which verifies that modern physics is a total pseudoscience.
    Please view this site at www.physics.uw.hu address.


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    I'll just recycle this:

    Why is it that so many people feel qualified to critique modern physics without any formal training? Most people seem to realize that they couldn’t coherently critique someone’s microchip design without training in electrical engineering, or criticize plans for a new super-sonic plane without training in aeronautics, or question a procedure for synthesizing a drug without training in chemistry.

    Yet so many people seem to feel that complete lack of training is no problem when it comes to criticizing modern physics.


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    It is the nature of life to be creative. One can spend ones whole life simply studying until one is subsumed in meaningless details. The question is when to be creative. There are those so eager to be creative that they study practically nothing and there are others who study and never find a way to be creative. Legitimate science, in the modern sense of the word, is certainly much much more likely to be found in the latter.

    But in the wider quest for knowledge, studying tends to both widen and narrow thought about things at the same time. When one studies what has been written it tends to frame the questions and define the language in such a way that original thought can become very difficult. In the wider quest for knowlege finding the proper questions and language can be as important as finding the answers. Thus I think one has to find a point where thought is maximized so to speak, where one has been widened more than narrowed, where we can still have a fresh perspective and yet be able to communicate it effectively.

    In any case, if one is going to speak on the topics science and use the term pseudo-science, it would help greatly, however, to have studied at least to the point of understanding the difference between science and pseudo-science.
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    The thing that really kills me is that most of the time they don't seem to even really understand what it is that they're criticizing! It's as if I walked up behind a programmer who was writing code in a language that I wasn't familiar with, pointed at a random section of programming, and announced that it was all wrong and needed to be redone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    Why is it that so many people feel qualified to critique modern physics without any formal training?
    I wonder what you might mean by feigning surprise at this? Everyone has an opinion, although not everyone satisfies the background requirements of others to be qualified to make comments.

    There are a number of people on this forum who, while admitting that they are not experienced scientists, nevertheless feel that they are qualified to pass judgments on the ideas of others without the need to understand those ideas. Apparently, such people believe that by reading and understanding some of what others write, they are somehow qualified to defend these writings of others. When someone writes something else, they have only the ability to defend the writings of others, and attack the new writings to the degree that they deviate. Many of us are guilty of attacking others' views without bothering to understand their points, as though we were somehow qualified to do so. Ophiolite seems to be one such person who feels qualified to pass ruthless judgment on ideas that do not conform to what he has read in books that he idolizes. Some ideas are clearly very non-sophisticated. Others are attacked merely because they do not follow the writings that a person has chosen to like and defend. We should not be surprised at the comments of others, but should come to recognize that all of us engage in them. How boring this forum would be if people like Ophiolite demand that we present information in a format and of a type that they, experts thought they admit that they are not, judge are acceptable. Is there no desire here to discuss new ideas? How would this be possible when people claim that others have no right to present anything new unless the presentation adheres to a format acceptable to them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee
    The thing that really kills me is that most of the time they don't seem to even really understand what it is that they're criticizing! It's as if I walked up behind a programmer who was writing code in a language that I wasn't familiar with, pointed at a random section of programming, and announced that it was all wrong and needed to be redone.
    The art of rhetoric may be aided by understanding but it does not require understanding. Rhetoric is after all the dominant form of human discourse. The scientists are vastly out numbered by the lawyers and salesmen. In the efforts of these men and in the art of rhetoric, the objective is not to uncover the truth, but only convince people of their position.

    Therefore, I must agree with Hermes, that there is nothing incredulous in this behavior at all. But I would caution Hermes about judging Ophiolite too quickly. There is some truth to what Hermes says and I have suffered under Ophiolite's judgements as well, but none of us are perfect and doubt that our expertise covers the full extent of our opinions either. Furthermore although we may sometimes chafe under Ophiolite's requirements, you must admit that the art of communication is something that we all can learn to be better at from each other.
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    Is someone says the earth is round and I'm standing on a straight piece of ground I'm entitled to query their idea. All through our lives we will be told certain things are facts, not just in science but in every field where experts work. Because of historical experience, and I'd suggest common sence we should never blindly accept expert opinion. I can't read every book in the world, do every driving test, experience every experience, but if I give up my opinion, however subjective, I am useless to advancing learning. Most scientists want to convince the mindless masses of their truth, it's exactly how it should be, and that people should be sceptical is exactly how it should be. You don't have to know to question, you only have to be affected by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermes
    Ophiolite seems to be one such person who feels qualified to pass ruthless judgment on ideas that do not conform to what he has read in books that he idolizes.
    There are no books which I idolize.
    My learning comes to some extent from books, but really from a much wider educational range than that.

    I pass ruthless judegment on ideas that are poorly thought out, unsupported by evidence, or badly expressed. Any serious student of science should do the same.
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    Ophiolite demand that we present information in a format and of a type that they, experts thought they admit that they are not, judge are acceptable.
    I strongly urge that if one wishes ones ideas to be treated seriously on a science forum, that they be presented in the manner that science has developed for such presentation.

    You are free to adopt a free form approach, lacking structure, logic and substance. I shall continue to condemn such an approach as foolish, ill conceived and pointless.
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    Ophiolite is well-recognised by frequent users of this web-site for posting interesting, knowledgeable, and honest material.


    Physics has proved very useful to humanity so far and you cannot deny that fact. Forget the blunders (If any) of it though... ...the biggest blunder of all IS humanity :wink:
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