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  1. #1 The Higgs Boson.... 
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    Okay...

    If found, the higgs boson & the higgs field (the field that gives mass to certain particles)

    Every particle out there also has an anti-particle. Could this mean that we could in future create an "anti-higgs field" around a space-craft and effectively travel at the speed of light ?


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    From what I have seen, I doubt anything could ever travel faster than light over normal space time. Also...a massless entity would violate so many properties of the universe...it would be overwhelming. You would need far more than an "Anti-Higgs field" to get away with it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Okay...

    If found, the higgs boson & the higgs field (the field that gives mass to certain particles)

    Every particle out there also has an anti-particle. Could this mean that we could in future create an "anti-higgs field" around a space-craft and effectively travel at the speed of light ?
    Assuming that the Higgs boson exists, it is its own anti-particle.
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    Assuming that the Higgs boson exists, it is its own anti-particle.
    That would mean it would annihilate itself immediately after or even with it,s creation I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghrasp
    Assuming that the Higgs boson exists, it is its own anti-particle.
    That would mean it would annihilate itself immediately after or even with it,s creation I suppose.
    No more than does a photon annihilate itself. A photon is also its own anti-particle.
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    You're right. The HB would cancel with its creation - physicists are looking for evidence of it's existence - not the HB itself.
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    is it true that if the Higgs field, or the Higgs particle is not found through these particle colliding experiments, then the standard model, the (yang-mills field) will have to be thought over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinsbergrelatz
    is it true that if the Higgs field, or the Higgs particle is not found through these particle colliding experiments, then the standard model, the (yang-mills field) will have to be thought over?
    Not necessarily. It could also just mean that the experiment was not successful in finding evidence. After all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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    experiment was not successful
    i know this upcoming question will sound rather absurd, but what if the experiment was successful but still no Higgs particle discovered? (this might be concluded as a failed experiment, but the failure in this case might be the success)
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    Sorry. I should have been more clear. It's possible that the experiment might not turn up the HB yet... It may take a while to find it. That's what I meant by "not successful"... I should have said, "not YET successful."

    Not finding it does not mean it's not there. It just means we haven't YET found it.


    Now, to be fair, based on our understanding and current model we expect to find it in a given energy range... a given band. Consistently not finding it in that range or band would, in fact, suggest that we might need to rethink the overall model... but it could also mean we just haven't yet stumbled upon it, which was my original point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinsbergrelatz
    is it true that if the Higgs field, or the Higgs particle is not found through these particle colliding experiments, then the standard model, the (yang-mills field) will have to be thought over?
    No.

    But there will be some consternation.

    The most likely result of a failure to find the Higgs, will be a re-evaluation by the theorists and a prediction that it would be found at still higher energies.

    The standard model has proved very convincing in prediction the outcome of all particle physics experiments to date and it will take a lot to cause its abandonment.

    What is far less certain is the status of supersymmetric particle physics theories is no evidence of supersymmetry is found. That could be rather interesting. There have been predictions for years that supersymmetric partners would be found "just around the corner". No evidence whatever has been found to date, and the result has been predictions that they will be found at higher energies. How long this can go on is anybody's guess, and even in this case the most likely outcome would be predictions that they would be found at still hgher energies (but it is wearing a bit thin).
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    How long this can go on is anybody's guess, and even in this case the most likely outcome would be predictions that they would be found at still hgher energies

    what is the scale of the "high energy" we are looking at? MeV, KeV, TeV, Pev??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinsbergrelatz
    How long this can go on is anybody's guess, and even in this case the most likely outcome would be predictions that they would be found at still hgher energies

    what is the scale of the "high energy" we are looking at? MeV, KeV, TeV, Pev??
    The LHC is anticipated to have collision energies of 14 TEV

    Google is your friend. http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
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    The most likely result of a failure to find the Higgs, will be a re-evaluation by the theorists and a prediction that it would be found at still higher energies.
    They surely won't come up with the idea that just maybe their theory fails. You don,t need a scholarship in psychology for that.
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    Each failed experiment erodes the confidence in the theory being tested. Eventually, if they get it wrong enough times, someone will have a better idea. A lot of people who say that these theories should be discarded already don't actually have anything better to replace them with. (Failed experiment is a bad way of thinking about it anyway. Any experiment tells us something, even if it's not what we expect.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghrasp
    Assuming that the Higgs boson exists, it is its own anti-particle.
    That would mean it would annihilate itself immediately after or even with it,s creation I suppose.
    No more than does a photon annihilate itself. A photon is also its own anti-particle.
    Explain this.
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    The word antiparticle has a specific meaning, which is not "the particle that annihiliates with this one." AFAIK, that definition works for massive particles, but not for all particles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronman
    Explain this.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majorana_particle



    From here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiparticle
    Although particles and their antiparticles have opposite charges, electrically neutral particles need not be identical to their antiparticles. The neutron, for example, is made out of quarks, the antineutron from antiquarks, and they are distinguishable from one another because neutrons and antineutrons annihilate each other upon contact. However, other neutral particles are their own antiparticles, such as photons, the hypothetical gravitons, and WIMPs. These are called Majorana particles and can annihilate with themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronman
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRocket
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghrasp
    Assuming that the Higgs boson exists, it is its own anti-particle.
    That would mean it would annihilate itself immediately after or even with it,s creation I suppose.
    No more than does a photon annihilate itself. A photon is also its own anti-particle.
    Explain this.
    http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/th...ntiquarks.html
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    An anti Higgs field ...
    Weird but imaginable assuming the Higgs exists of course
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    I was never convinced by the Higgs Boson. It just seemed very superfluous to entertain a theory providing mass in the form of possibly 5 new fields when mass for particles seemed intrinsic anyway.

    It seems likely mass could be just like a charge. In fact, mass is a type of charge on a particle [motz] ''On the Quantization of Mass''.

    Seems much more elegant I think, than a Higgs Field. It is simpler for starters.
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    The phenomenon of the Higgs boson and other products of reaction of collision of colliding beams of protons are explainable on the basis of principles stated in work "UNIFORM NATURE OF INTERACTION" year 2008, Karaganda, Yu.A.Ivanov, O.Yu.Ivanov
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