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    Could you please tell me what is the difference between "Nothing" an a "theoretical perfect vacuum" ?

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    This question is a bit philosophical, but a perfect vacuum is still a place where something can exist or be placed, but something cannot exist in "nothingness".


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    in my ignorance I would say there is a difference between nothing and the scientific definition of what a vacuum is. Nothing is a term of speech to signify that there is not anything of something, wheres a vacuum has a lot of something and that is empty space!

    So there i nothing in a vacuum in terms of matter but there is a lot of empty space!

    Anyone able to comment how ar of I am with this?

    according to an engineer at Jefferosn Labs there is a special branch of physics concerning vacuums - anyone know what this is?
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    I'm not entirely sure but I believe that nothingness would be an area of space with no energy or mass inside of it and no forces acting upon it. But I don't know the Scientific Definition.

    Whereas I believe a vacuum is an area of space with a gaseous pressure of zero, however I'm fairly sure it can still have energy in it. Just not energy.

    Not sure if that's right its just assumptions based of off basic knowledge.
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    Vacuum is simply the absence of matter, so no matter exists.
    the "nothing" part, i am not quite sure myself , ill say this term is very philosophical and vague.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman57
    in my ignorance I would say there is a difference between nothing and the scientific definition of what a vacuum is. Nothing is a term of speech to signify that there is not anything of something, wheres a vacuum has a lot of something and that is empty space!

    So there i nothing in a vacuum in terms of matter but there is a lot of empty space!

    Anyone able to comment how ar of I am with this?

    according to an engineer at Jefferosn Labs there is a special branch of physics concerning vacuums - anyone know what this is?
    agree. Except vacuum. Vacuum is never empty in terms of mater, because space is filled with "particlewaves" electromagnetic radiation
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    So, if vacuum is different of "Nothing" or "Nothingness" then vacuum is "Something" Or a property awarded by something. by what? Could this "something" be matter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgabase
    So, if vacuum is different of "Nothing" or "Nothingness" then vacuum is "Something" Or a property awarded by something. by what? Could this "something" be matter?
    This "something" is the Ether. Everything in the universe is made out of Ether, the Ether is everywhere. "Nothing" is a place where there is no Ether. Keep in mind that this is my theory which has not been published yet, so there may be other people on this forum who disagree with this.
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    There's no such thing as a "perfect vacuum." There is always something there.
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    I'm going to hazard a guess and say:

    For the case of our usual 3-dimensions, if there were no energy or matter in the volume then this would be a vacuum.

    So a vacuum must have, dimensions, and no energy and no matter.

    In contrast, Nothing, must have no dimension, no energy and no matter. So if we have Nothing, space doesn't exist.

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    waveman28 - isn't either classical physics? I'd be careful where you put your personal theories. Heat is a good one for standard theory and what 'lies beyond'...........

    some professors in the US have recently clubbed together to say that the universe is infact a solid - this goes a long way to explain the nature if the vacuum just as jgabase is asking.

    i def think sox is on the right path, my logic says that a true vacuum would be equal and equidistant at all points, a paradox so there is no point in space with more or less vacuum but there is more or less energy occupying that 'space'.
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    A vacuum can exist inside the Universe. Nothing, exists only outside of the Universe.
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    Hmmm, nothing stopping you now because nothing ever happens around here.

    I like the term "void" better. A perfect void in space containing no energy, matter, or space/time. Difficult however for it not to be surrounded by these things.

    I suppose if you could somehow shield a perfect vacuum you might end up with a perfect void. Get all forms of energy and matter out and shield more from passing through it. Not sure that can be done however.

    Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    There's no such thing as a "perfect vacuum." There is always something there.
    That could depend on what your definition of a vacuum is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waveman28
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    There's no such thing as a "perfect vacuum." There is always something there.
    That could depend on what your definition of a vacuum is.
    Regardless of which definition you choose, none which are grounded in reality will lead to a vacuum that is equivalent to nothingness. As I stated above, there is always something there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
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    There's no such thing as a "perfect vacuum." There is always something there.
    That could depend on what your definition of a vacuum is.
    Regardless of which definition you choose, none which are grounded in reality will lead to a vacuum that is equivalent to nothingness.
    True, could this be seen as your first steps towards accepting the Ether? Seeing as the Ether is what the universe is made of, even regions where the Ethers amplitude is zero, the Ether itself is still present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waveman28
    True, could this be seen as your first steps towards accepting the Ether?
    No.
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    i'm going to say that the universe is made out of crap rather then either........

    anyway there is still no either if the amplitude is zero! I prefer void to either - it is slightly more infinite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman57
    i'm going to say that the universe is made out of crap rather then either........

    anyway there is still no either if the amplitude is zero! I prefer void to either - it is slightly more infinite!
    What? The Ether would still exist if its amplitude is zero. Take a bucket, fill it with water, and leave it to settle overnight. When you look at it the next morning, the water will be completely still with no waves in it, hence no amplitude, but the water itself still exists.
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    Could we please prevent this from becoming yet another thread which gets derailed talking about your personal pet ether theory, waveman?

    Ether has absolutely zero to do with the OP, and is only tangentially related at best. Thanks.
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    with all due respect waveman if what inow is saying is correct write to someone high up in the academic sciences community and try to convert/reason with them - only then can you take over the known world of physics - until then I am afraid the rest of us will have to stick to standard theory & a few of the others lying around...............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waveman28
    Quote Originally Posted by jgabase
    So, if vacuum is different of "Nothing" or "Nothingness" then vacuum is "Something" Or a property awarded by something. by what? Could this "something" be matter?
    This "something" is the Ether. Everything in the universe is made out of Ether, the Ether is everywhere. "Nothing" is a place where there is no Ether. Keep in mind that this is my theory which has not been published yet, so there may be other people on this forum who disagree with this.
    wouldn't such an idea indicate "absolute space?" and doesn't that sort of conflict with theory of relativity? if space is filled with "something" then shouldn't motion of everything be related to that something? how does that work?



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    Null is nothing, you canít see it.

    Vacuum is the creation of space inside null.

    www.wikipedia.org/wiki/null
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    So, Could vacuum be an energy, just like matter and electromagnetic radiation? A low density energy structure in this case...

    Perhaps matter is something like confined energy, vacuum is another kind of confined energy and radiation is free energy...

    What do you think?

    In this case vacuum could also have gravitatory properties and explain something like Dark Matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgabase
    So, Could vacuum be an energy, just like matter and electromagnetic radiation? A low density energy structure in this case...

    Perhaps matter is something like confined energy, vacuum is another kind of confined energy and radiation is free energy...

    What do you think?

    In this case vacuum could also have gravitatory properties and explain something like Dark Matter.
    for that to be anywhere remotely true or plausable you will have to come up with a lot of evidence etc.

    however in my ignorance i don't think it is such a bad way to relate - strictly speaking a vacuum is not energy as energy is matter, but in terms of engineering you can get a massive amount of energy from a vacuum.

    forget free energy - the only way it is free is the fact that we have it lying around and are made of it, everything else is pretty much ruled by the conservation of energy.

    try not to stray too much from the standard model of physics as it is the most widely accepted school of thought.
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    Hey mates, I have found a very nice video about this question: The Mystery of Empty Space.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vKh_jKX7Q
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    Ox is right. True nothingness is the absence of everything, including matter, waves or the dimensions. It is like the 7th side of a standard die. It simply is complete non-existence.

    Waveman is spouting his personal hypothesis that is not peer reviewed yet again. I urge you all not to listen to anything he has to say out of the New Hypothesis and Ideas or Pseudoscience subforums.
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    a single point in a vacuum has values of time and at least 3 dimensions, as well as the potential to be occupied.

    nothing has no values, no information, is a thought experiment.
    number is the fundamental building block of the universe...

    proposal

    Universe/Time = 1/(∞-1)

    where T is the cardinal of U, and ∞ is an implied future potential value of >1

    note: this is a testable hypothesis: the equation works. it works. god damn but it works... LINKY
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