
Originally Posted by
DrRocket
Your statement was intended to contradict a statement made by Janus.
What Janus said was correct.
Your contradiction was and remains rubbish.
Wrong again. Your slur fails to demonstrate either statement but does reflect upon your profound respect for other people. You simply buttered up the boss and bashed a little beggar that came to bother him. Rollo used to do that to Hans and Fritz.
The statement I take exception to was " Nor would groups of galaxies (like our own local group) hold together like they do." where limitation was being applied to how a galaxy would respond to excessive charge. Nothing would be sloughed off except for excess charge particles themselves.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
Not all electrons are mobile. Not by a long shot. They most certainly do not just "go were they please". If they did that none of our electrical devices would work -- the electrons in those devices go where the designers cause them to go to create the desired effect.
Designers know what pleases an electron and scheme out their circuits accordingly. No electron is immovable unless there is a crafty proton keeping him occupied with her and that will at least keep him out of trouble. Any electrons constituting a charge would be surplus beyond the normal parity. These are readily repositioned by influence of other charged particles. Electrons involved as substance of atomic structure more deeply than mobile electrons would be electrically nullified by proton counterparts. The constancy of electrostatic forces precludes our discovery of them in an explosive array. For a violent exothermic event to occur, an unlikely endothermic process would have to have occurred. For an analogy, consider how terrifying Mt. Everest would be if it sailed up overhead. The natives would take a fit if they expected it to fall. However, there would be little to fear if the mountain showed little chance of rising up in the first place. Electrostatic repulsion is just as benign as gravity to that effect. It would take up a lot of energy to push that much electric charge down against the global repulsion demonstrated by M. Faraday so long ago. An ion per se is just matter, not energy.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
Not all electrically charged bodies would disintegrate. A single electron certainly would not. But electric repulsion is quite strong, sufficiently strong that a body composed of ions of the same charge would disintegrate. A galaxy composed of bodies with significant charge would not hold together.
They would not collect in the first place without restraining influence. Such influence can be arranged, but that would introduce means by which they would hold together be it a loose togetherness. The trick nature uses to array positive charges against negative charges lies in their interaction within concentric formations. A ball (a relatively loose one of course) of one polarity centered within a shell of the opposite polarity will find almost each of its charged particles straining to travel toward the far side of the attracting shell. The force that prompt such motion nulls out when and if the center is reached, when the hemisphere behind matches the attraction of the hemisphere ahead.
http://www.eg.bucknell.edu/~cs315/Sp...lab02/text.txt
Let’s face it, we hear tell of young galaxies where polar jets push streams of electrons away for many thousands of years. That has to mean that charged particles are not limited to equal helpings everywhere and always! I speculate that the disks producing those jets fatten up to become their galaxies’ central bulges.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
What holds solid bodies together is the electromagnetic force, in the form of chemical bonds. What keeps you from falling through the floor is also the electromagnetic force in terms of the repulsion between electron clouds, with some quantum mechanics thrown in to prevent the collapse of atoms and molecules. That repulsion is much stronger than gravity -- or else you would indeed fall through, bats would not propel baseballs, and cars would not crash.
That is interesting. Hey, those quantum mechanics know their stuff but they charge an arm and a leg. They probably sprinkle a little gravity into the cracks. But how does that bear upon your fancied formations of charged particles that would self-destruct? There is a lot I really don’t have to know in order to comprehend how electrical charges coexist, and how if you leave them alone they won’t usually bother anyone. I confess to having believed atoms to bind together as molecules through electromagnetic force, but thought clustering of molecules to be more due to gravity. That all must be one of those clues of which you find me so lacking.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
Astrophysicists are generally quite well versed in electrodynamics, and indeed in one of the more difficult sub-disciplines -- plasma physics. There is no sorry state of astrophysics. Your aspersions on that discipline are merely indicative of the sorry state of your understanding of basic physics.
Are you talking to me? Just last month or so I accidentally discovered how sunspots are caused! As a cosequence Are you talking to me? Just last month or so I accidentally discovered how sunspots are caused! As a cosequence of that discovery came realization of why solar flairs occur and how they can fry wires strung along the earth. Do you call that a sorry state for my understanding of physics? Your big shots may still believe it is from big magnetic plugs that block convection don’t they? Do they still think that sunspots causes the vortexes? Your big shots know so much about lightning that they tell the world that no one knows! Well I do, but no one wants to hear that from an old slob. Polar jets: same story. Just because I see they need my help, that makes me a puke because I have the audacity to see that they need it. Look, a lot of those guys got fancy degrees because such pursuits kept them out of the draft. Some of us went to war and then came back home to raise kids. By then, bread on the table and a roof overhead trumps bags of tuition gold. Why should I ever start over just to turn out like you? And what’s more, where would I find the time?
I don’t find astrophysics so difficult. Probably because I don’t carry baggage for the consensus people and accept no political agenda. I can’t get fired for telling the truth because I don’t have a job. How can we go forward if we are to worship status quo at the same time? It is a bitch that they cannot take the whole nine yards into a laboratory, so we got to allow for a little lattitude. A few years back they converged from all over the world, boasting themselves as on the verge of understanding how polar jets work, then came up with crap. It takes three seconds to figure that one out if you are playing with the full deck I am trying to show you. Your problem might be that you have absolutely no intuitive grasp upon physics.
Once I caught on just how plasma fusion avoids avalanching effects due to positive feedback, I knew what causes sunspots. The big shots have it backwards. Reduced pressure imposed by vortex center at depth of a given temperature cuts fusion rate and denies the usual compression for the adiabatic temperature compensation. Temperature drops regeneratively to show darkened dimple on sun some 50,000 miles across or so. Meanwhile, pressure gradient rises to above normal for that depth at extended radius from center. Adiabatic effects boost plasma temperature causing runaway rise in fusion rate. Increased energy forms as heat due to no heavy lifting: much expansion is taken up by neighboring central chill. Raging fusion in vortex sheath spews hot plasma aloft many miles, these towering solar flares conduct huge quantity of electrons streaming up the flair, dollops of fallback plasma carries many back down to sun. Talk about Extra Low Frequencies!
Meanwhile. Scientific consensus may still fancy mysterious magnetic phenomena that somehow block convection to prompt the sunspots. How in the world can a serious consensus hold in place that some magnetic block somehow appears on the sun to obstruct convection of heated gas from below? The fancied obstruction is to extend across tens of thousands of miles! And if convection were blocked, wouldn’t temperature rise below the sunspot? Wow, what a mess that ought to make!
They wonder just how it all makes the middle go round and round. Who can imagine a star lacking the swirls that lead to a vortex? And Dr. Rocket wants my stuff to go to pseudoscience? I respectfully suggest kicking of this stuff around with an electronics technician or even an electrical engineer. Just so long as you do not pick a jerk. Engineering is people making things happen with this stuff, and they don’t hold out strictly for collegiate pabulum, we are forced to think it out and our experience cultivates insight reasoning that gets us there without a desk or milk and cookie breaks.
An astrophysicist answer man told me that the super massive black hole comes first, not the galaxy. Bull! I cannot find an astrophysicist who knows his way around a Faraday cage! Your assertions to the contrary fail to demonstrate your denigrating accusations.
I have demonstrated elsewhere on this thread the insistance of astrophysicists upon denying the evidence of Faraday’s ice pail experiments. They mix up “external to” and “external from” a closed conductor. The external surface of a conductor is part of the conductor. Meaningless bickering comes about over meaningless semantics. No one came forward to ward off the presumptious, technically-challanged monkey type taking fits as sole responder to my explanation. I showed a way to focus upon how the outer surface of a Faraday cage maintains influence upon the interior. Yet, an ostensibly qualified veteran scientist jumps me to defend a forum moderator who can well defend his own premises.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
You have some very serious misconceptions, expressed in several threads, regarding electromagnetics. Please limit expression of such rubbish to Pseudoscience where it belongs.
Dr. S: You just cannot get down to brass tacks. You do not seem to comprehend electricity well enough to take me on. You just keep tossing slurs and crap. You must be a slur head.

Originally Posted by
DrRocket
I do not accuse you of prevarication. You do actually believe the crap that you post. But it is still wrong. The problem is not that you lie. The problem is that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The net result is still a torrent of misrepresentations and untruths.
I don't think you think. If something is in the handbooks you quote it. Learn to think. Thinking produces ideas. If I know that something is already in the handbooks, I don't come here and write it down. What I write here is stuff I found out. If it ain't in a book you think it is crap.