Thread: e=mc2

the real reason they don't say einstein- e=mc2
but say einstein- relativity

because einstein basicly won ww2 singlehandedly by inventing the atomic bomb with his e=mc2 but all the ww2 boys want to try to claim the victory but we all know how ww2 was won

so they always try to draw attention away from e=mc2 by saying einstein- relativity like that is what is really important . like how often do you move at a 100,000,000,000 mph so that time could slow down.

Einstein had the brains, but dont forget about Patton who, singlehandidly, cleared the Pacific of the japs.

Then the americans had to trick Patton into boarding a rocket so they could send the bloodthirsty Patton into the sun, hoping that its pressure and heat might contain him until the day science finds some way to permanently dispose of him.

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

Einstein had the brains, but dont forget about Patton who, singlehandidly, cleared the Pacific of the japs.

Then the americans had to trick Patton into boarding a rocket so they could send the bloodthirsty Patton into the sun, hoping that its pressure and heat might contain him until the day science finds some way to permanently dispose of him.

fuck patton

Einstein won ww2

Originally Posted by the universe

Einstein won ww2

This isn’t true at all. The fact that you could cause uranium to rapidly release large amounts of energy was known as far back as the late 1800s. The process of nuclear fission was discovered by Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann in 1938, and didn’t really have anything to do with Einstein. Einstein didn’t have anything to do with the design or construction of the first nuclear weapons. He did write a letter to the president urging him to fund nuclear weapons research during WWII, but he didn’t actually work on the project in any way.

E=mc^2 is only tangentially related to nuclear fission. It predicts that there should be a slight decrease in mass associated with nuclear fission since the binding energy of the product isotopes is smaller than the binding energy of the parent isotopes – but knowing that isn’t really essential to understanding or building nuclear weapons.

Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee

Originally Posted by the universe

Einstein won ww2

This isn’t true at all. The fact that you could cause uranium to rapidly release large amounts of energy was known as far back as the late 1800s. The process of nuclear fission was discovered by Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann in 1938, and didn’t really have anything to do with Einstein. Einstein didn’t have anything to do with the design or construction of the first nuclear weapons. He did write a letter to the president urging him to fund nuclear weapons research during WWII, but he didn’t actually work on the project in any way.

E=mc^2 is only tangentially related to nuclear fission. It predicts that there should be a slight decrease in mass associated with nuclear fission since the binding energy of the product isotopes is smaller than the binding energy of the parent isotopes – but knowing that isn’t really essential to understanding or building nuclear weapons.

you can take the ww2 boys and shove them up your ass trying to steal einstein's victory of winning ww2 by inventing the atom bomb with his e=mc2 and then all that's allowed to be heard is relitivity relitivity relitivity relitivity

einstein won that's why everyone knows einstein e=mc2 father of the atomic bomb

*** you man, if Patten hadnt swum from hawai all the way to the Philipeens to beat the japs there and then to Japan to kill Japs there, then the ****ing AAbomb wouldnt have done anything.

**** YOU, AND **** WHAT YOU THINK.

Edited for excessive obscenity (i.e. even more than I would use on a bad day.) - Ophiolite

Originally Posted by the universe

you can take the ww2 boys and shove them up your ass trying to steal einstein's victory of winning ww2 by inventing the atom bomb with his e=mc2 and then all that's allowed to be heard is relitivity relitivity relitivity relitivity

This makes it sound like you don't really know much about how nuclear weapons work.

What, specifically, do you think that Einstein did to help with nuclear weapons? What do you think that E=mc^2 has to do with nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons release nuclear binding energy by splitting uranium or plutonium into other, smaller elements that have less binding energy.

E=mc^2 would be relevant if you were making antimatter weapons, but no one has actually done that yet...

Or are you just joking around?

Originally Posted by Scifor Refugee

What do you think that E=mc^2 has to do with nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons release nuclear binding energy by splitting uranium or plutonium into other, smaller elements that have less binding energy.

And you don't think that the mass loss that occurs when uranium fissions, that happens to match the radiation emitted during that fissioning when we apply the legendary equation, is significant. Just blind luck I suppose.

einstiens came up with the idea that large amounts of energy can be released from the atomic nucleus but in the experimentation that followed no one was able to release a greater amount of energy from the nucleus than was used.

it was a friend of einstiens that realized that making an atom unstable by fireing neutrons at it would create the desired effect.

einstien then wrote a letter to the american president warning him that the nazis might get ahold of this technology, less than a day latter the manhatten prodject began, without einstien.

many scientists help create nuclear weapons and technology but einstien was not one of them.

einstien didn't assult the normandy beach and liberate europe from the nazis, but perhaps his letter brought a quicker end to the war on japan.

Originally Posted by Ophiolite

And you don't think that the mass loss that occurs when uranium fissions, that happens to match the radiation emitted during that fissioning when we apply the legendary equation, is significant. Just blind luck I suppose.

I never said that E=mc^2 doesn't apply to the energy released in nuclear weapons. I said that you don't actually need to know about it in order to understand or make nuclear weapons. The energy released in a nuclear explosion is the difference between the nuclear binding energy of the parent isotopes and daughter isotopes that are involved in the fission, just as in chemical explosions the energy released is equal to the difference in chemical bond energy between the reactants and products. Yes, since you are releasing energy there will be a very slight change in mass - but the same is true of any explosion. There's a slight change in mass associated with chemical explosions too; but who cares? Even in a really large 1 megaton nuclear explosion there would only be about 0.047 kilos of mass lost. The fact that a nuclear explosion is accompanied by a very slight change in mass is just a curiosity, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.

The 13 kiloton bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima used 64 kg of uranium, and would have had a mass change of just 0.57 g. This would be a mass loss of just 0.0009% after the explosion. It's certainly interesting that the mass change occurs, since it's nice experimental evidence that relativity is correct; but it doean't have any more to do with nuclear explosives than it does with chemical explosives.

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

**** you man, if Patten hadnt swum from hawai all the way to the Philipeens to beat the japs there and then to Japan to kill Japs there, then the ****ing AAbomb wouldnt have done anything.

**** YOU, AND **** WHAT YOU THINK.

Patten is a piece of shit a tiny little piece

EINSTEIN WINS WW2 WITH HIS E=MC2
EINSTEIN FATHER OF THE ATOM BOMB

Originally Posted by the universe

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

**** you man, if Patten hadnt swum from hawai all the way to the Philipeens to beat the japs there and then to Japan to kill Japs there, then the ****ing AAbomb wouldnt have done anything.

**** YOU, AND **** WHAT YOU THINK.

Patten is a piece of shit a tiny little piece

EINSTEIN WINS WW2 WITH HIS E=MC2
EINSTEIN FATHER OF THE ATOM BOMB

E=mc2 the energy of an object is equal to its mass multiplied by the square of the speed of light in a vacuum.

basically it means that energy and mass are interchangable. this equation was a major breakthrough in physics and the study of how the universe works, but it didn't really have much to do with the atomic bomb.

The germans were beaten before anyone even knew that america had atomic weapons. and it was only a matter of time before japan would be beaten, it was inevitable. the only difference is, if the bomb had not been used (twice) then we would have spent millions of lives on both sides trying to invade japan. it was projected that many more lives were saved because the bombs were dropped on japan.

einstein is the father of something much more important than the atomic bomb.

did patton even have anything to do with the war in japan?

i thought it was just McArthur running the show.

Originally Posted by wallaby

did patton even have anything to do with the war in japan?

i thought it was just McArthur running the show.

HERETIC!!!!

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

Originally Posted by wallaby

did patton even have anything to do with the war in japan?

i thought it was just McArthur running the show.

HERETIC!!!!

grab your pitchfork and tourches quick.

the only real thing that really matters in regards to winning ww2 is einstein invented the atom bomb with his e=mc2 thats what won the war

everything else was just a bunch of stupid little shit

the only real thing that really matters in regards to winning ww2 is einstein invented the atom bomb with his e=mc2 thats what won the war

everything else was just a bunch of stupid little shit

Yeah, ok, go ahead and insult all the men and women who fought and sacrificed in the war. E=mc^2 is what went overseas and fought and died in the war effort and the only thing that mattered. Sure. Get a sense of reality please.

Get a sense of reality please.

Of course, dont forget about Patton!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Yeah, ok, go ahead and insult all the men and women who fought and sacrificed in the war. E=mc^2 is what went overseas and fought and died in the war effort and the only thing that mattered. Sure. Get a sense of reality please.

stupid little shit einstein won ww2 with his e=mc2

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

Get a sense of reality please.

Of course, dont forget about Patton!!!!!!

stupid little shit einstein won ww2 with his e=mc2

Oh cool, I didnt' realize that repeating yourself made you right. I guess we should have a contest to see who can produce the most spam. Looks like you are winning by a wide margin

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Yeah, ok, go ahead and insult all the men and women who fought and sacrificed in the war. E=mc^2 is what went overseas and fought and died in the war effort and the only thing that mattered. Sure. Get a sense of reality please.

but they didn't win the war e=mc2 did

Originally Posted by the universe

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Yeah, ok, go ahead and insult all the men and women who fought and sacrificed in the war. E=mc^2 is what went overseas and fought and died in the war effort and the only thing that mattered. Sure. Get a sense of reality please.

but they didn't win the war e=mc2 did

nuclear weapons won the war E=mc² and albert einstiens letter just helped lead to the creation of these weapons.

einstien didn't even think that the equation could lead to such large reactions, it was a collegue of his that alerted him to the proccess used in a fission device and that the nazis were planing on experimenting with such devices.

it was the service men and women from around the world that toppled the nazi dictator not atom bombs.

Originally Posted by the universe

Originally Posted by Ultrashogun

Einstein had the brains, but dont forget about Patton who, singlehandidly, cleared the Pacific of the japs.

fuck patton

Einstein won ww2

the airplane that dropped the bomb would have had to get past the entire navy if it wasnt for patton.

that would be McArthur and not patton.

Originally Posted by wallaby

that would be McArthur and not patton.

regardless, you get my point.

Originally Posted by wallaby

Did Patton even have anything to do with the war in Japan?

I thought it was just McArthur running the show.

No, Wallaby, Gen Patton was a Divisional Commander in the European Theatre. In point of fact, Gen. Eisenhower was the "General of the Armies" and was in charge of all Allied forces in the European Theatre.

You are correct; General MacArthur was the Commander of all Allied forces in the Pacific Theatre.

Just don't tell Ultrashogun :wink: (Swimming to the Philippines from Hawaii... I almost fell out of my chair!)

By the way, who remembers Germany surrendered prior to our dropping the bomb on Japan?

And just so I know, does 'the universe' always foam at the keyboard like this?
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yes, he does.

Uhh, I don't know which question chamilton is answering, but Germany did surrender about a month before the bombs were dropped.

German surrender - May 8th 1945
Japanese surrender - August 14th 1945

einstein had nothing to do with the bomb at all. all he knew was that a large amount of energy could be got out of a small amount of mass. THATS ALL HE DID. he didn't choose the material, he didn't know how to slow down the neurons with heavy water so they could hit the nucleus. he didn't know that uranium was the most unstable and therefore best element to use. the didn't know how to fire the thing off with sequenced explosions.

He had put the idea in alot of peoples heads with the famous equation but thats not to take anything away from him

but alot of people died to get the information to america. the earliest tests were done in europe and it was nearly all europeans that invented the bomb(almost germany dropping a-bomb first). All the major scientific breakthroughs were europeans)Also alot of norwegan peasants stopped the germans from getting there first. The germans were producing the heavy water in norway is massive amounts and the british trained locals to blow up the plant, including farmers, plumbers, none of them soldiers

stupid little shit einstein won ww2 with his e=mc2

Saying einstein came up with the atomic bomb and won ww2 with e=mc2 is a bit like saying Newton invented guns because of his laws of motion (why not?!)

Einstein DID NOT invent the atomic bomb, he later regretted it. If anything, it was a loss for Einstein as there's no victory in killing thousands of innocent people in a matter of seconds. He also did not come up with e=mc2 with weapons in mind.

I'm not saying that Einstein "invented" the atomic bomb or is responsible of it, vice versa, he isn´t responsible at all of killing thousands of people with atomic bomb, but Einstein was a big influence.
In 1939 Einstein warned President Franklin D. Roosevelt that German scientists were in a position to develop an atomic bomb. This encouraged Roosevelt to establish the Manhattan Project.

the scientist behind a weapon is never resposnible for what it does, its the politicians quilt

The world warr was NOT won by the atomic bomb. It was a showoff by the american president, from what they all could accomplisch.

the world warr was lost by the germans/italians/japanese before they even started. The number of rebellions could not be held by such a small number of soldiers.

With most wars the people were held happy with presents (stupid ones but still) this was the first information warr, just promisses and none was kept. The hitler-money was worthless.

By the way, hitler would have invented the atomic bomb before stalin or roosevelt (thought that was the president at the time) did. But the idea's and materials were stolen by the americans/brittish

nuking is never a way of winning a warr, it is a way to show off power..

Originally Posted by Zwolver

The world warr was NOT won by the atomic bomb. It was a showoff by the american president, from what they all could accomplisch.

the world warr was lost by the germans/italians/japanese before they even started. The number of rebellions could not be held by such a small number of soldiers.

With most wars the people were held happy with presents (stupid ones but still) this was the first information warr, just promisses and none was kept. The hitler-money was worthless.

By the way, hitler would have invented the atomic bomb before stalin or roosevelt (thought that was the president at the time) did. But the idea's and materials were stolen by the americans/brittish

nuking is never a way of winning a warr, it is a way to show off power..

we and the americans didn't steal ideas and materials. Many scientists left because they were jewish and were either scared for their lives or were not allowed to work. The reason germany was held up was because britain trained some local norwegian peasents to blow up the heavy water plants in norway after the british govenment sent soldiers in gliders into a mountain area in fog and were killed

if you look at all the scientists working on the bomb, they were mainly german and austrian refugee's

He is right, it was america who developed it, got the scientists honestly. but stalin who stole it. Germany never thought of it as a bomb

thats right! einstien was just a influence ater all... he was not the master mind.

But he came with the theoretical parts behind it

theoritically but not practically.
Actions speak louder than words.

actions are not always louder than words.

for example. People are banned to do some actions, but nobody is banned to speak certain things, only if they call for action.

what we try to reach is unknown to me, but maybe the action and the words are drawn equal.

Einstein is the worlds most well known scientist. Any other guy who actually invented stuff like Watt or Bel, are a lot less well known.

It was GERMAN scientists that, in 1938 discovered the basics of Fission in Berlin. The German persecution of the Jews had led to such scientists as Albert Einstein, Enrico Fermi, and Leo Szilard leaving Germany sometime before.

In 1940 at the Kaiser-Wilheim Institute Heisenburg was as far advanced as the Americans in terms of producing a 'controllable' pile (another necessary step on the way to the bomb).

What seems to have happened next was an incredible stroke of luck for the allies, when an incorrect calculation led to the Germans believing Graphite was not suitable as a moderator. They never spotted the mistake and then stuck to 'Heavy water' believing it to be the only [viable] moderator.

This mistake (of which the Americans were well aware) enabled the Americans to surge ahead.

The raids on the Norsk Hydra plant served to convince the Germans they were 'on the right track' as did the subsequent loss of the Heavy water made thus far. It also meant that allied politicians could be assured that the Germans would be set back in their efforts. At the end of the war a mad race was undertaken to see just how far the German research had gone. - considering the vast constraints placed on them [the scientists], their progress had been remarkable.


Another interesting fact is that Heisenburg in 1941 indicated a particular quantity of Uranium 235 would be required to produce a bomb. The figure he gave was incorrect, the actual amount being less than he indicated. It is inconceivable that a man of his incredible talent would have made such a mistake. It would be akin to claiming pi had a value of 9.7!

Thomas Elva Edison is also very well known too