April 11th, 2009, 11:47 PM
body->
organs->
tissue->
cell-organelles->
compounds->
molecules/elements/atoms->
protons/neutrons/electrons->
positrons/alpha particles/beta particles->
quarks/lip.. etc.->
(String theory blah blah blah)->
E=MC^2 also means mass equals energy divided by the speed of light squared->
Mass is made of energy->
Energy is made up of->
?...
Yes.
You are made of nothing, therefore your theory is made of nothing and does not exist.
PARADOX.
Yes but you do not see the logic in this... you fail to be open minded. I am physically nothing but somehow perceived as something...Originally Posted by drowsy turtle
Paradoxes don't disprove anything, especially at this quientessencial level of science
All your logic is saying is that energy is not made up of anything. It doesn't show that energy IS nothing. But when you put it that way it is really is quite obvious, did you expect that energy would be made of something, and that thing would be made of something else, and that thing is made of something else etc... on and on into infinity?
So, clearly there must be a stopping point, which would be energy.
However, you may very well be correct. But, the logic in your post does not show it.
All that energy to produce a post and nothing from it...
April 12th, 2009, 11:05 AM
You have disproved yourself. You were fine up until your last statements which contradict evrything else that your said. Mass and energy are the same thing. Neither is nothing.
April 12th, 2009, 06:58 PM
You have disproved yourself. You were fine up until your last statements which contradict evrything else that your said. Mass and energy are the same thing. Neither is nothing.
"Mass and energy are the same thing" A photon is energy and has volume but no mass. Energy is the makeup of matter.
Okay here use logic
Energy has no mass, and every mass is made of energy...
So energy is the basic component of mass and somehow no mass(energy) configures to make mass.
Concluding at the simple most form of matter we go into no mass at all but only something that takes up space energy
energy is simply a state of mass, I think thats the best way of thinking about it. Just like solid, liquid, gas and plasmatic. just add energy to that. it all works out in the end
April 12th, 2009, 08:45 PM
One way of interpreting String Theory is that the little strings that make up everything are not actual physical objects. They are instead a range of modes of vibrations of energy.
So one could be forgiven for saying that everything is made of just energy. One mans particle, is another mans confluence of vibratory modes of energy.
Energy may be mysterious, but it still seems more than nothing.
April 12th, 2009, 11:37 PM
You just keep digging yourself in deeper don't you?You have disproved yourself. You were fine up until your last statements which contradict evrything else that your said. Mass and energy are the same thing. Neither is nothing.
"Mass and energy are the same thing" A photon is energy and has volume but no mass. Energy is the makeup of matter.
Okay here use logic
Energy has no mass, and every mass is made of energy...
So energy is the basic component of mass and somehow no mass(energy) configures to make mass.
Concluding at the simple most form of matter we go into no mass at all but only something that takes up space energy
What makes you think that a photon has volume ? If so, what is that volume ?
Energy most cetainly has mass. What do you think Einstein meant when said? Do you think he was joking ? Photons not only are affected by gravity, they affect gravity thenselves. John Archibald Wheeler studied the possibility of creating significant gravitational fields using NOTHING BUT PHOTONS. He called such things "geons".
At the most simple form of matter, elementary particles, you would find that quantum field theories model them as bits of energy that have mass but no volume, quite the opposite of your notions.
Why don't you try using some logic yourself. You might also try to learn a bit of physics. Here is some suggested reading that might help you:
QED by Richard Feynman
The Discovery of Sub-Atomic Particles by Steven Weinberg
The Feynman Lectures on Physics by Feynman, Leighton and Sands
Introspection will not work. Aristotle tried it and it held back science for centuries.
Raymon K i'ld say everything is made up of something but i can only say one thing that your thoughts are just roaming around on undirectional path and also your post holds no good connotation. ^_^
Sorry bro i know it hurts but don't hesitate to reply.
perhaps your error was to assume that energy must be a physical 'something'. matter is what we perceive collections of subatomic particles of energy as. time is advanced by energy events. energy exists in space. therefor, everything is made of space-time fabric. not nothing.
April 13th, 2009, 09:35 PM
well my old physics book says a photon has no mass but has volumeYou just keep digging yourself in deeper don't you?You have disproved yourself. You were fine up until your last statements which contradict evrything else that your said. Mass and energy are the same thing. Neither is nothing.
"Mass and energy are the same thing" A photon is energy and has volume but no mass. Energy is the makeup of matter.
Okay here use logic
Energy has no mass, and every mass is made of energy...
So energy is the basic component of mass and somehow no mass(energy) configures to make mass.
Concluding at the simple most form of matter we go into no mass at all but only something that takes up space energy
What makes you think that a photon has volume ? If so, what is that volume ?
Energy most cetainly has mass. What do you think Einstein meant when said
At the most simple form of matter, elementary particles, you would find that quantum field theories model them as bits of energy that have mass but no volume, quite the opposite of your notions.
Why don't you try using some logic yourself. You might also try to learn a bit of physics. Here is some suggested reading that might help you:
QED by Richard Feynman
The Discovery of Sub-Atomic Particles by Steven Weinberg
The Feynman Lectures on Physics by Feynman, Leighton and Sands
Introspection will not work. Aristotle tried it and it held back science for centuries.
lol my thoughts are just roaming, welcome to science my friend. You wonder,you experiment. You don't know much about quantum physics if you expect the ordinary...Raymon K i'ld say everything is made up of something but i can only say one thing that your thoughts are just roaming around on undirectional path and also your post holds no good connotation. ^_^
Sorry bro i know it hurts but don't hesitate to reply.
If the basic unit of mass isn't energy, what exactly is it?
You all seem to be quick to disagree with any new idea but nevertheless come up with your own reasoning of the basic makeup of mass or energy
April 13th, 2009, 09:52 PM
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April 13th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Then you need a new physics book.
April 13th, 2009, 10:20 PM
Actually i was taught that photons themselves are packets of energy that do not contain mass but have the potential to make up mass. Not only from that physics book but my physics teacher, chemistry teacher, and earth space science teacher... hrmmmThen you need a new physics book.
April 14th, 2009, 12:42 PM
That is closer, but has nothing whatever to do with volume of a photon.Actually i was taught that photons themselves are packets of energy that do not contain mass but have the potential to make up mass. Not only from that physics book but my physics teacher, chemistry teacher, and earth space science teacher... hrmmmThen you need a new physics book.
Mass and energy are the same thing. E-mc^2. It is possible for two photons of sufficiently high energy to interact and form a particle that has rest mass, and that is exactly what is thought to have happened during the formation of the universe from the Big Bang. It is also possible for matter to loose mass and thereby release energy and that is exactly what happens in nuclear reactions.
What photons do not have is rest mass. But photons are never at rest either.
Maybe you should have payed more attention to your physics, chemistry and earth space teachers. I think you still need a new physics book. I can thing of a couple of good ones: The Feynman Lectures on Physics by Feynman, Leighton and Sands is excellent and Fundamentals of Physicsby Halliday, Resnick and Walker is a good standard text.
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