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  1. #1 What happens to water in a sphere. 
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    This sphere holds infinite preasure. And are then boiled.
    The sphere can never break appart.

    So what do you think happens to the water? Will it turn into something else?
    Will it never heat up at all? Will it turn into vapor instantly all molecyles at the same time, but pressed together?

    I want to hear your sollution of this hypotethical question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermaltake
    This sphere holds infinite preasure. And are then boiled.
    The sphere can never break appart.

    So what do you think happens to the water? Will it turn into something else?
    Will it never heat up at all? Will it turn into vapor instantly all molecyles at the same time, but pressed together?

    I want to hear your sollution of this hypotethical question.
    Physics question, really.

    Depending upon temperature, if no expansion is possible, ultimately the substance within the sphere will become plasma.


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  4. #3 That means.. 
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    All the particles will move arround freely in the sphere, and all atoms will be empthy shells?

    I belive plasma have different stages. And the ultimate state is that in the middle will be the neutrons, and outside them a shell of protons, and outside that a shell of elektrons, and outside that a shell of empthy atom shells. Or it can be arranged in a different settings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermaltake
    All the particles will move arround freely in the sphere, and all atoms will be empthy shells?

    I belive plasma have different stages. And the ultimate state is that in the middle will be the neutrons, and outside them a shell of protons, and outside that a shell of elektrons, and outside that a shell of empthy atom shells. Or it can be arranged in a different settings.
    The shell structure you speak of is likely to occur only under the effects of immense gravity. If that's part of your original query then by all means state it.

    If there's no gravitational influence of that sort, the plasma is likely to be undifferentiated.

    Seriously, though, if you want properly referenced responses to your question with a few more ideas thrown in, take it to the Physics forum.
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  6. #5 Nah, it will make it too serious, since this is... 
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    A philosophical attempth to solve a hypothetical thing that may not work in nature, unless the theory is refined. And that can only be done philosophicly first.
    I must first discuss it here more further in my view.
    And i dont want to bother those in the physics section with hypoteses of something that maybe arent even something natural in this universe.

    I belive to have retoric thinking even on psydoeffects, can in some ways lead to new discoveries regarding something completly different, but still analogue to the hypotethical discussion.
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    You are asking questions relevant to physics. Nothing you have said so far appears to be in the realms of philosophy. So, in the words of Fleetwood Mac, You can go your own way...
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  8. #7 Thx. 
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    I have now asked a moderator to get it moved to physics.
    I hope it dont make a catfight in there
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    This is one deity who answers prayers!

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  10. #9 Thank you God, im forever at your feets :P 
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    Let's hope lots of physics guys/girls join in the discussion.
    Im open for all option until proven false, by our eminently classified scientific community.
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    What happens to water in a sphere? It sticks around.
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    I agree with sunshine warrior. I think your model would need to be massive enough to generate its own gravity to separate into the layers you describe. It would either have to be a very large globe, or a small globe with a very large amount of water under intense pressure. I'm no scientist though. :P
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  13. #12 OK, lets give it gravity. I just do it to be nice to you all 
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    hehe..

    For that matter,,give it all the forces. But dont do anything with my hypotethical sphere Dont touch it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermaltake
    This sphere holds infinite preasure. And are then boiled.
    The sphere can never break appart.

    So what do you think happens to the water? Will it turn into something else?
    Will it never heat up at all? Will it turn into vapor instantly all molecyles at the same time, but pressed together?

    I want to hear your sollution of this hypotethical question.
    I do not like hypothetical questions.

    However under enough pressure and heat, the water would fission. And more then likely destroy any container, or the entire universe if it did not break.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Thermaltake
    This sphere holds infinite preasure. And are then boiled.
    The sphere can never break appart.

    So what do you think happens to the water? Will it turn into something else?
    Will it never heat up at all? Will it turn into vapor instantly all molecyles at the same time, but pressed together?

    I want to hear your sollution of this hypotethical question.
    Water boils at 100C at sea level. In Thermaltake's setup we start with water at normal pressure so initially a tiny bit of water will boil and hugely expand to drive the pressure up. Then we're just adding heat to highly pressurized water - which can't boil. Heat will escape. At some point depending on the container surface and energy input the setup reaches equilibrium. Unless the heat source or container insulation is fantastic, I think we'll just get very hot water (e.g. steam engine boilers).

    If you poke a hole in this container the escaping water will instantly vaporize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Thermaltake
    This sphere holds infinite preasure. And are then boiled.
    The sphere can never break appart.

    So what do you think happens to the water? Will it turn into something else?
    Will it never heat up at all? Will it turn into vapor instantly all molecyles at the same time, but pressed together?

    I want to hear your sollution of this hypotethical question.
    Water boils at 100C at sea level. In Thermaltake's setup we start with water at normal pressure so initially a tiny bit of water will boil and hugely expand to drive the pressure up. Then we're just adding heat to highly pressurized water - which can't boil. Heat will escape. At some point depending on the container surface and energy input the setup reaches equilibrium. Unless the heat source or container insulation is fantastic, I think we'll just get very hot water (e.g. steam engine boilers).

    If you poke a hole in this container the escaping water will instantly vaporize.
    In the old coal fired steam train engines. There is enough pressure during an accident and pressure relief failure to hurl the train one and half miles. This was calculated a very long time ago. And used to be the first thing you learned about steam.

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    so...basicly if im understanding your question correctly your wondering what happens in an autoclave?
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    This is a blast from the past about safety and steam.




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