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    We all accept that the planet is more spherical than cube or egg. We all accept that this cue-ball planet rotates around the sun in a generally circular fashion. It would seem that in our course through time we are influenced, universally it would seem, to rotate in a type of circular fashion, in a great cog-work of mass and energy. Let us therefore, in agreeing on this very obvious FEATURE of how we behave in time as celestial bodies, because we are all standing on this planet, that time has a certain “circular motion” feature to it, or if not circular motion, that on a universal level our passage through time is influenced to behave in a circular fashion, whether it be rotating as the planet does, or revolving around the sun as it does, or in some circular concerto with the Moon as it does. Let us investigate, if not propose, some ideas regarding the association time has with all things circular.

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    Time is not circular. When an event has happened, it's in the past and it's impossible for time to go back for it to happen again. If another similar event happens, then it's not the same event but a different event happening at a different point in time. Time flows linearly, not circularly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    Let us therefore, in agreeing on this very obvious FEATURE of how we behave in time as celestial bodies, because we are all standing on this planet, that time has a certain “circular motion” feature to it,...............
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    Yes. We don't agree time has a circular feature. You think it has a circular feature. I think -based upon your website and your many posts here - that you are havering. (That's as polite as I can get.)
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    I learned a new word today:

    haver
    Verb
    1. Scot & N English dialect to talk nonsense
    2. to be unsure and hesitant; dither [origin unknown]
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    Thank you for your opinions.

    (ah errrm).

    But one question, for now: what if time moved in a type of coil, not feeding back on itself.......like a spiral heading in a certain direction, as though behaving like a line? I know of one eminent mathematician doing research into a similar idea, but has anyone heard of any mainstream ideas of the sort, and if so, what are the ideas conveyed?

    And, if I can be permitted to ask this associated question (some may fail to see the relevance though, but I can assure you it is), who proposed that space and time should represent the same standard of measurement, as though space and time were of a measureable continuum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    Thank you for your opinions.

    (ah errrm).

    But one question, for now: what if time moved in a type of coil, not feeding back on itself.......like a spiral heading in a certain direction, as though behaving like a line? I know of one eminent mathematician doing research into a similar idea, but has anyone heard of any mainstream ideas of the sort, and if so, what are the ideas conveyed?

    And, if I can be permitted to ask this associated question (some may fail to see the relevance though, but I can assure you it is), who proposed that space and time should represent the same standard of measurement, as though space and time were of a measureable continuum?

    Just out of curiosity. Why do you want time to be something else. What could it do for you? I mean ideally. If God came down or up or whatever he does and left it up to you. Why would you want him to alter time? What would you want to know about. And why?

    I bet if you can answer these questions, you could get some relief about the mystery of time and time travel.

    I believe I know what is happening. People are watching science fiction shows and the hero jumps into the time machine and stops the evil Senator from destroying the world.

    Sure that almost seems more realistic or more likely to happen, then the Marines crashing through the walls of the Senate ripping the evil senators out by the scruff of their necks. But we should only hope for the latter.

    I am known to say things even when outnumbered, or at gun point. That makes my friends or family just put their heads down and giggle or cry.
    So some people think that I need some wild existence or some flashy kind of loud lifestyle.
    However all I would like is to have the law makers step down and leaders take over. So that safe space travel could take place. Creating an extension of the second promised land like George Washington termed America.

    I would probably take up snorkeling and diving.

    I guess I am suggesting that you turn your energies to something better, aim really high.



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    William, that has to be your most lucid and scientific answer yet. you are like a mind reader. How did you know I was into all things suboceanic? That is such a conincidence, your response. In fact, I can see myself retiring via your insights........well, at least for now, anyway. Your suggestions are such a great tonic, you have no idea the invigoration I have from your wisdom.

    Thank you.

    You are like a brother to me.

    I will try to watch your posts with interest, without interruptiong, while refraining from making any of my own.

    I am so inspired by your words, I think I might shut down my website for a while.

    Thank you.


    Now all in this forum LISTEN and BEHOLD the "william". He is like a fountain of information. He invigorates not only debate, but sudden bouts of great meditation on redirecting one's life to more etheral pursuits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    William, that has to be your most lucid and scientific answer yet. you are like a mind reader. How did you know I was into all things suboceanic? That is such a conincidence, your response. In fact, I can see myself retiring via your insights........well, at least for now, anyway. Your suggestions are such a great tonic, you have no idea the invigoration I have from your wisdom.

    Thank you.

    You are like a brother to me.

    I will try to watch your posts with interest, without interruptiong, while refraining from making any of my own.

    I am so inspired by your words, I think I might shut down my website for a while.

    Thank you.


    Now all in this forum LISTEN and BEHOLD the "william". He is like a fountain of information. He invigorates not only debate, but sudden bouts of great meditation on redirecting one's life to more etheral pursuits.
    Over the years I met some stellar individuals. In some cases I was young and certainly a bit nervous.

    Because I had wanted to meet these individuals for a long while already, even at a young age. Because I found my father did not have all the answers to my questions. And had been frustrated by the older generations answers or explanations.

    I had hopes and strange ideas of what would happen when I actually met these older guys. I had optimum hopes and I had the nightmarish ideas of what might happen.

    Some of these old timers were pretty tough. Some of these old timers could cut up the wood for a house with a hand saw in a day.

    Here I am, my father is already of the next generation. Thinking that, this old guy is just too dedicated to cutting wood with a handsaw.

    I detected a bit of jealousy but not unhealthy jealousy. I did note that there was a lack of communication between the two generations. Almost a feud or silent treatment.

    To give the next generation credit my father was right. The electric circular saw is much more efficient then the handsaw. And the older guy even has one.

    But the old timer is not all that impressed by it, because he can in all weather, with or without electricity, go and build a house with some wood, a saw hammers and nails.

    Here I come along, my father thinks I am a bit queer, compared to his generation. So you do not know how this older guy is looking at you.

    I just put out my hand and said "hello Sir I am Bill McCormick" and put my best iron grip on it, and gave his hand a good manly shake.
    He looked at me and did not even have to say, anything to me. He just nodded in approval, and treated me like I was an equal that had worked side by side with him all my life.

    Pretty much said what is mine is yours. And began sharing things that I bet even my father was interested in. But my father had declared this old guy a fossil, or out of touch.

    I guess my lesson was, I never met someone that I did not get something from. And from the way the older bunch loves an individual with some Individual Spiritual Freedom in their blood, I would say I gave them something even better then the proper cobalt bit to use on boron.
    They were always happy to see and talk with me or answer any questions about anything.

    Never count anyone out of the game. Never underestimate how much an honest individual is worth. Because that is all you are.
    God did not put you here by accident, or just to see you fall down so he can laugh at you. But I bet he would laugh if you fall down. Because he knows your spirit is indestructible.

    Never punish yourself, for having done wrong, instead just set your sails to a better course. You do not have to rush, or do anything real painful to get good things done. These are some of my best lessons from life.

    Communication is critical.

    I am not putting myself in with these stellar individuals, I have had some rather outrageous crashes, and have little monetary profit to show for it all. I have no monuments built to me, no meritorious deeds under my belt. But I have always been helpful and I have never blocked knowledge for profit.

    I will tell anyone just how good or bad the job I did is compared to the best and worst possible job that could be done.

    Glad to know you.

    I do have some strange resources, don't be afraid to have me exercise some of them for you. Metals, of almost any kind and shape. Strange pieces of equipment. Wire things like that. You can have them in two days. Machining, welding things like that. Just let me know.


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    William, I have a scheme that I would like you to construct, but it may contradict your own personal theories of space-time. Is that OK though?







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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    William, I have a scheme that I would like you to construct, but it may contradict your own personal theories of space-time. Is that OK though?







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    I cannot imagine what it could be. But if your belief is real to you. And this device will help get to truth for both of us. OK.

    But I have to tell you, the things people dream of doing in fifty years from now, were ready to go in the sixties, readied by the individuals I learned from. It was just taboo.

    Like photographing certain tribes is taboo. No real or special reason. You just couldn't do it.





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    I have to discuss this with the theorist of the idea, so I will get back to you shortly.



    Your interest in electricity via all your posts would seem to suggest you would be willing to take responsibility, that you know what you are doing with charges and circuits, and that you have a healthy enough respect for microwaves to ensure safety precautions are met.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    I have to discuss this with the theorist of the idea, so I will get back to you shortly.



    Your interest in electricity via all your posts would seem to suggest you would be willing to take responsibility, that you know what you are doing with charges and circuits, and that you have a healthy enough respect for microwaves to ensure safety precautions are met.
    I once stuck an aluminum wire I was holding in my bare hand into a high frequency event, that was also super heated. The aluminum rod melted. And shot a bolt of super high voltage through my heart. I really thought I had bought the farm.

    I did not really understand what happened. I was trying to figure it out. When I realized that I was losing blood pressure. I was actually starting to deflate. I started to lose my knees, and it suddenly hit me what happened.

    I stuck an aluminum wire into a molten aluminum micro wave horn, with a helium inert gas atmosphere, being subjected to high frequency, the rod melted and drew electrons from me. I just started laughing at my stupidity and my heart started right up. So if you have a heart attack just laugh.

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    A short tale, for those who understand patterns.

    I was with a group at a camp site in communist Poland almost forty years ago. We needed to find out where the toilet and shower facilities were. I went in search of the Camp commandant.

    I spoke no Polish and he spoke no English. We both spoke a little french, with poor grammar, limited vocabulary and bizarre pronounciation. It was enough to get me the answers to my questions and more than that enabled us to learn something of each others lives. I am certain that no Frenchman listening to our halting exchange would have understood a word of it, but it served us well.



    Dedicated to William and the QuestIsNotOver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    We all accept that the planet is more spherical than cube or egg. We all accept that this cue-ball planet rotates around the sun in a generally circular fashion. It would seem that in our course through time we are influenced, universally it would seem, to rotate in a type of circular fashion, in a great cog-work of mass and energy. Let us therefore, in agreeing on this very obvious FEATURE of how we behave in time as celestial bodies, because we are all standing on this planet, that time has a certain “circular motion” feature to it, or if not circular motion, that on a universal level our passage through time is influenced to behave in a circular fashion, whether it be rotating as the planet does, or revolving around the sun as it does, or in some circular concerto with the Moon as it does. Let us investigate, if not propose, some ideas regarding the association time has with all things circular.

    Any ideas?
    Time is linear.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    I have to discuss this with the theorist of the idea, so I will get back to you shortly.



    Your interest in electricity via all your posts would seem to suggest you would be willing to take responsibility, that you know what you are doing with charges and circuits, and that you have a healthy enough respect for microwaves to ensure safety precautions are met.
    I once stuck an aluminum wire I was holding in my bare hand into a high frequency event, that was also super heated. The aluminum rod melted. And shot a bolt of super high voltage through my heart. I really thought I had bought the farm.

    I did not really understand what happened. I was trying to figure it out. When I realized that I was losing blood pressure. I was actually starting to deflate. I started to lose my knees, and it suddenly hit me what happened.

    I stuck an aluminum wire into a molten aluminum micro wave horn, with a helium inert gas atmosphere, being subjected to high frequency, the rod melted and drew electrons from me. I just started laughing at my stupidity and my heart started right up. So if you have a heart attack just laugh.

    Sincerely,


    William McCormick
    Great, Please remind me never to shake hands with you then :P
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Quote Originally Posted by William McCormick
    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver
    I have to discuss this with the theorist of the idea, so I will get back to you shortly.



    Your interest in electricity via all your posts would seem to suggest you would be willing to take responsibility, that you know what you are doing with charges and circuits, and that you have a healthy enough respect for microwaves to ensure safety precautions are met.
    I once stuck an aluminum wire I was holding in my bare hand into a high frequency event, that was also super heated. The aluminum rod melted. And shot a bolt of super high voltage through my heart. I really thought I had bought the farm.

    I did not really understand what happened. I was trying to figure it out. When I realized that I was losing blood pressure. I was actually starting to deflate. I started to lose my knees, and it suddenly hit me what happened.

    I stuck an aluminum wire into a molten aluminum micro wave horn, with a helium inert gas atmosphere, being subjected to high frequency, the rod melted and drew electrons from me. I just started laughing at my stupidity and my heart started right up. So if you have a heart attack just laugh.

    Sincerely,


    William McCormick
    Great, Please remind me never to shake hands with you then :P
    I have been welding since I was nine. First learned to weld in the Grumman Aero Space plant from my father and welding engineers.

    When you AC aluminum TIG weld you get used to the little high frequency spikes. You need continuous high frequency to keep the AC arc engaged in inert gas. Without the continuous high frequency it will just shut down, between cycles.

    Later as I used some of the more advanced types of DC aluminum welding and helium inert gas, I came across this accident. It only appears to happen if you weld into a corner of an aluminum box, and pull the torch back. At that point the starting high frequency system thinks you need to restart. And engages. It hurts. Ha-ha.

    In straight polarity anode beam welding you only use starting high frequency. Or no high frequency and touch start once to create the heated near vacuum path to allow the electrons to flow.

    On welding forums some guys that have been welding all their life think I am a bit of a sissy. But I can assure you that it is only because they never tried that one. Ha-ha.

    I too have welded aluminum for almost 40 years now. And always held the aluminum wire in my bare hand, and never even got a decent jolt. But in that one scenario that I know of. It is bad news.


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