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  1. #1 Can we patent facts about nature? 
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    yes or no pls


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    I can. Time travel is patented, I came up with it. I invented spacetime. :P :-D
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    Portions of genomes, or rather specific genes, have been patented by the research groups who sequenced them and identified their roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Portions of genomes, or rather specific genes, have been patented by the research groups who sequenced them and identified their roles.
    Really? What does that mean then, that nobody else can use that information in their research? :?
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    Now you know why Einstein worked in a patent office .
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    Well, I would have thought that there would be a distinction between raw scientific knowledge and gadgets. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Portions of genomes, or rather specific genes, have been patented by the research groups who sequenced them and identified their roles.
    Really? What does that mean then, that nobody else can use that information in their research? :?
    No, it means that the MoFos from Monsanto will sue you when their genetically engineered crap pollinates your corn on the adjacent patch of land allthough you neither intended nor wanted this. They'll sue you anyway allthough it's their fault, allready happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zitterbewegung
    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Portions of genomes, or rather specific genes, have been patented by the research groups who sequenced them and identified their roles.
    Really? What does that mean then, that nobody else can use that information in their research? :?
    No, it means that the MoFos from Monsanto will sue you when their genetically engineered crap pollinates your corn on the adjacent patch of land allthough you neither intended nor wanted this. They'll sue you anyway allthough it's their fault, allready happened.
    Is this the American judicial system at work again? I can understand producing something and then patenting that (a genetically engineered invention), but can they really patent the raw data, i.e. the data on the roles of specific genes?
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    IIRC there was a trial about a company patenting the genes of one man's liver or spleen and he contested this claim and the company won the case allthough it were HIS genes. Don't know the exact circumstances but a google search should yield results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zitterbewegung
    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Portions of genomes, or rather specific genes, have been patented by the research groups who sequenced them and identified their roles.
    Really? What does that mean then, that nobody else can use that information in their research? :?
    No, it means that the MoFos from Monsanto will sue you when their genetically engineered crap pollinates your corn on the adjacent patch of land allthough you neither intended nor wanted this. They'll sue you anyway allthough it's their fault, allready happened.
    That's the politicised take (and I happen to agree with it).

    More forensically, though, the patented portion of the genome (which can only be patented when regular patent conditions obtain - must not have been public prior, must be original, must be unique etc) can then be used as any patent can - licensed, protected from misuse, and with the standard patent period applying (as far as I know).
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    No I guess.
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