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  1. #1 The YUXI Problem. 
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    The YUXI Problem.

    Suppose there’s a being, (i) belonging to a species, (u) headed for extinction because (u) believes in, and acts on the basis of x, rather than y.
    (i) knows x to be the cause of the impending demise of (u). (i) knows y to be more valid than x. (i) believes that acting in accord with y would allow (u) to continue to exist.
    (i) has tried to make (u) understand y – but to no avail.
    What should (i) do?


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    [Shrugs shoulders]

    Who cares?


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    Quote Originally Posted by humanhuman
    The YUXI Problem.

    Suppose there’s a being, (i) belonging to a species, (u) headed for extinction because (u) believes in, and acts on the basis of x, rather than y.
    (i) knows x to be the cause of the impending demise of (u). (i) knows y to be more valid than x. (i) believes that acting in accord with y would allow (u) to continue to exist.
    (i) has tried to make (u) understand y – but to no avail.
    What should (i) do?
    Why is (i) interested in saving species (u)? And, how does (i) know the behaviour of (u) is what is leading to extinction? And finally, how can (i) be certain that extinction, rather than serious population decline w/out extinction, will be the outcome of believing (x)?
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    I think this can be templated on the Jews in WW1/2.
    Where christians that didnt want to see them die tried to change their
    beliefs so they wont die by nazis hand...

    Ya can't just change someones belief that easely after (u) possibly belived
    in x for many years, even if its to save (u)`s butt.
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    So not to prevent extinction, but to save some number of individuals.

    One could successfully argue that (i) did change (u)'s behaviour and beliefs wrt the jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by humanhuman
    The YUXI Problem.

    Suppose there’s a being, (i) belonging to a species, (u) headed for extinction because (u) believes in, and acts on the basis of x, rather than y.
    (i) knows x to be the cause of the impending demise of (u). (i) knows y to be more valid than x. (i) believes that acting in accord with y would allow (u) to continue to exist.
    (i) has tried to make (u) understand y – but to no avail.
    What should (i) do?
    Run.
    "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe". - Carl Sagan
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    Hey! Your back!

    Well, myself believing Y (same as you), all we can do is hope for the best. I have decided that it is impossible to change beliefs such as X; the second X is contemplated in a single entities mind, X spreads like a virus until it infects all but those who are intellectually immune to it. Because of this, you cannot remedy the problem, ever, and even if a large portion of the entities containing X die off, it will re-spread very quickly, and potentially surpass its previous number of victims.

    I feel all civilizations are like Sisyphus, going so far, only to inevitably have all that is gained through so much work return to nothing almost instantly.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence"

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    The yuxi problem.

    One might think that if y were a reasonable solution to the problems caused by x – (i) would be listened to, or (u) would arrive at these conclusions some other way. However, x is a rationale unto itself, rather than a rationale unto reality, and this undermines (u)’s ability to order real world priorities. Circumstance and disposition have allowed (i) to see beyond the rationale of x – while the majority remain tied into this rationale by the ongoing negotiation of social, political and economic activities in these terms.
    That the impending extinction of the species is not held to be a non-contingent priority demonstrates the psychosis induced by belief in x, and this constitutes the problem. The psychosis lies in the apparent justification of x by action and thought in terms of x, whereas (i) has been able to view x from the outside and see that while internally coherent, x externalizes large parts of reality. These externalized realities, mounting for generations, now threaten the very existence of the species. However, (u) is unable to recognize these threats, less yet address them, for they lie outside the conceptual framework of x.
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    Exactly.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence"

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    Suppose (u) believes that while (x) reality is futile, (y) reality is entropic, and recognises that (u), itself comprising reality, validates whatever reality it wills. A fully informed (u) prefers to inflict (x) - "a rationale unto itself, rather than a rationale unto reality" - for reality's greater enrichment.

    Suppose (i) is a pawn of (y), adding nothing.
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    Pong,

    An informed (u) would be correct to beleive that y is ultimately entropic, but not on any timescale significant to the purposes of (u). x on the other hand poses a clear and present danger (u) employs x to deny.

    (i) would be honoured to be considered a pawn of y, would worship y in every word thought and deed in obedience to the profound and truthfull meaning that flows from y like a cool mountain stream on a hot summers day, as opposed to squatting in the rain by the fetid sewer that is x.
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