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    -Who here is surrounded by idiots? I am; today I mentioned the word carcinogen to a group of my friends, by far the more intelligent people around here, in relation to which deodorants could cause cancer. Guess what....they were baffled by the word and had no idea what it meant or why I thought any of them should know it. After I explained its meaning to them, they asked me if I have been doing ALLOT of reading lately, as in studying to to know such "complex", "advanced" and "intellectual" words like carcinogen. COME ON PEOPLE. Frankly I an sick and tired of the stupidity that I am surrounded with. And it does not end there....I have heard people say such ridiculously stupid things, that I cannot stand it any more. Another day, I mentioned SARS to some people, the virus that went on/is going on in Asia. They had no clue what it meant, and once again criticized me for knowing such a thing. Why is this? They didn't even admit that they should have known it; instead they claimed that it was useless stupid information, and that is the reason why they did not know it. Can you believe this? People really have no shame....none whatsoever. They will find and use any scapegoat possible if it means proving to themselves that they aren't the idiots that they in fact are. "The only thing that we can know is that we know nothing" -Socrates. This is true, very true. Yet people are so damn insecure with their lives that they cannot admit even the slightest error in themselves. I constantly criticize myself, I am my biggest critic; in fact, every idea that I think of, I look at in almost a cynical way. As in, I judge it to no end until I have verified whether it is true or not. Most people, almost all people, will take the first idea the comes into their mind, and not only go with it, but modify its level of stupidity until it further feeds to their never ending lust and gluttony for pleasure.

    It just amazes me that I am one intelligent and aware person among so many idiots....it seems like its impossible; by the time people like me started appearing on the evolutionary time chain, the idiots that I deal with should have been eliminated by natural selection. I feel like an entity ten thousand years ahead of its species, that was teleported back in time, and has to deal with the inferiority of its predecessors.

    Maybe the sun has fried their brains??? Maybe that is why not a single neuron in their blank minds is doing a single useful thing for them.

    People are way to optimistic about humanity. People like to call each other intelligent, say that humanity has a bright future, and all of those other pleasant things. Even if a person viewing another person who is an idiot is intelligent, they still are conforming to society. Society wants you to believe that everyone is smart (The real definition) and knows what they're doing...that way the morons will be put under less criticism and will never have the truth broken to them that they are actually utter imbeciles.

    I wish people could just wake up and admit their deficiencies.


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    At a guess, based on this post, you and your friends are about 18 to 22 yo.

    Early adult brains are not done developing (some estimates put it at late twenties), despite the fact that most of the major development features happened long ago. Various hormones, which affect behaviour, also vary from one person to the next - which goes some ways towards explainning the difference in development. Your friends will catch up with you eventually and at some point recognise that a working familiarity with "complex, advanced, intellectual" words is not daft.

    Of course, by then you only have a small window before you all begin the long decline into old age.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    -It just amazes me that I am one intelligent and aware person among so many idiots....it seems like its impossible;
    Maybe you're part of a group being deleted from the evolutionary pool, unable to adapt to a stupid world. :wink:
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    I have friends of all age groups (18-45,but mostly around 19), and yes there is a considerable increase in intelligence as they get older. But even so, not even the older of them are very intelligent on average...but at least they do not criticize me. Lets see, out of my 55 or so friends, one that is 19 is very intelligent, but unfortunately does not take anything seriously, and 2 are about 35, who are little more intelligent than the 19 year old, but again do not like to have intellectual discussions that often....which is why I come to this forum. :?
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence"

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    lol zinjanthropos....unfortunately I think you may be correct.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

    "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    lol zinjanthropos....unfortunately I think you may be correct.
    Is evolution about the survival of life or the gaining of intelligence?

    Take a look at the dinos. Supposedly birds have evolved from them. When I look at a chicken or another form of poultry for instance, I see a very dumb critter. If intelligence is the end result of millions of years of evolution then those ancient reptiles were as dumb as stumps. Or they may have become too smart to adapt. Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival.

    Think about it. If you wish to remain in that group of friends you've mentioned then you must dumb down when around them or your social life suffers. You're a minority. How do your friends react when you lay some intelligencia on them?
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    zinjanthropos, you clearly haven’t had a chicken as a friend. The are not so stupid as people make out. They can be taught numerous tricks in the same way as a dog and are at least as faithful. That was my reply to a situation as explained by Cold Fusion. I taught a feathered friend to fetch; to sit (actually to lie dormant, with wings outstretched); to dance and to warn me of visitors. But most of all, through colour coding I taught it to push the correct textbook in my direction; something my less-well endowed friends could not do. They were all university trained scientists, with exceptionally narrow training that often led them astray if more than one discipline was needed to solve a problem. Can you imagine doing the same thing with a chickens ancestors? I can’t. A pterodactyl would make hell of mess.

    zinjanthropos suggests Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival I think it's more a case of 'stand outs' don't get along with groups.

    I’m not suggesting you restrict your acquaintances to animals, although you won’t get any more ignorant conversations. It’s a bit like mice. If you take mice and put their living quarters next to an EMR emitting device, the first generation of mice born will be a little smarter than the previous. Unfortunately this is not increased with the next generation, otherwise my world would be run with little white mice carrying brief cases and wearing bowler hats.

    And by the time you get a littler older, only people as strange (and as well read as yourself) will find you comfortable to be around. It sorts itself out with age. Have a little patience and keep learning.
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    They really do not like it when I talk like I do on this forum.....they usually insult me, and call me derogatory terms. You may ask, "Then why are they your friends?".....its because they are the best this miserable city has to offer. If I did not have any friends, I would feel quite lonely....though, I've never really had any friends my entire life, and have had to find ways to pass the time....like philosophizing. But now where I stand, they are necessary for various reasons...so I have to deal with their incompetency.

    And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult. Already I know 3 people that I can talk to on a decent level, I will likely not find any more than that after I inevitably move to another city. Add gender in, and it is reduced 1 1/2 people; how important is intelligence in finding a wife to you?

    Too add another example: One time I was having a debate with one of them over religion and why I know none of what is in the bible, or is preached by the church is true-why there is no god, or it least there is a very small chance that there is. After I explained everything to him, he actually admitted that everything I said was true, and therefore I am correct. So then I asked him whether he is atheistic now or not....he said no, and that he still believes in a god. What the hell? This is a perfect example or human nature. Even if they are statistically proven wrong, they will still believe in whatever makes them feel the best. It is gluttonous pleasure-it reminds me of the Romans. They became so involved with constantly making themselves feel better through alcohol, violence, and sex, that they ended up destroying themselves from the inside out. This is how people where I live act. I explained in another thread the equilibrium that we all have-that it is impossible to go either higher or lower in terms of pleasure. I find that whenever I am very happy or have endured a great amount of pleasure, I will soon become very depressed or suffer some misfortune; and when my life goes wrong in every way possible, all fails, and all hope seems lost, I start to feel this happiness from inside, out of nowhere, like the sun parting a cloud laden sky. This I think, could be what Edgar Allen Poe describes to be the sensation of perverseness....the act of liking pain, or doing harm, for the sake of getting the balancing sensation. (Not that I do that)

    As you now know my age (I have mentioned it before, discretely), I guess I can say that I am very happy to be going to a prestigious college next year. Finally the population of utter morons will be brought down to 25%, and the normal morons 75%, which will make it much easier for me to have intellectual conversations in person. But don't worry, I will still come to this forum as often as I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    he said no, and that he still believes in a god.
    You may have just discovered the problem of stupid friends. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches1
    zinjanthropos suggests Perhaps dumbing down is beneficial to survival I think it's more a case of 'stand outs' don't get along with groups.

    Cold Fusion:
    And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult.
    Patches: Actually I wasn't being serious but alas, there may be some truth in it. CF recognizes that to find a mate he must either dumb down or get extremely lucky. CF is even contemplating not looking for a mate at all. If his DNA isn't passed on then is super intelligence a non-beneficial genetic mutation?
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    He has also indicated that he stands a good chance (that is, it is not unlikely) to find 1.5 female friends at university that he can hold an intelligent conversation with, (based on past friendship acquisition rates ).

    How many wives do you hope to have, CF? Most consider one wife to be more than sufficient!
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    Cold Fusion, what do you want a wife for? To debate or to mate? A wife who is also a mother does not have the time or the energy to debate, unless her husband does the shopping; the housework; the finances, etc. Having and looking after kids is a full time job and as a daddy, you will find there's little space in your mind after a night of little sleep and worry about junior's cough, colds, scratches, dints and dents, etc. and THEN you have to go to work!

    I read other people's works and words on God and have come to the conclusion that it's the interpretation that's the problem. How about defining God before discussing other people's issues on the same subject and you'll soon see what I mean.

    Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'm not sure the Romans didn't do themselves in from lead poisoning. If the Artic ice cores reveal Pb is such quantities that the Roman period is easily recognisable, then Rome must have been awash with the stuff and stupid/erratic behaviour is a symptom of lead poisoning. :-D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    .like philosophizing. But now where I stand, they are necessary for various reasons...so I have to deal with their incompetency.

    And what makes this all even worse, is that since there are so few people like me, it will be impossible to find a wife some day. I am between myself on whether a wife is necessary or not, but if I do choose to seek out a partner, it will be extremely difficult. Already I know 3 people that I can talk to on a decent level, I will likely not find any more than that after I inevitably move to another city. Add gender in, and it is reduced 1 1/2 people; how important is intelligence in finding a wife to you?
    ok firstly, "philosophizing" instead of socialising, dangerous! If you really had done some philosophizing you may have realised how little you or humanity really knows anyway. Hanging round with friends isn;t an intellectual feat, it comes up every now and again with my friends and often enough I enjoy being the authority on say science, philosophy, politics. You are claiming to be intelligent, from what you're saying I would call you intolerant, if you take this Nietzsche disease of humanity view on everyone you know you will most certainly end up alone by choice. (and look what happened Nietzsche!)

    Either way, dont worry about it you're young, I wouldnt look for an intelligent wife (and dont approach girls telling them you're looking for a wife, bad start!), i would look for someone who you can have a good understanding with, there are girls I have gone out with who I have some very different views with yet there is still an understanding of each other, intelligence is not the only factor in life or relationships, not that simple. Keep in mind social intelligence is also a factor so maybe work on that.

    I've had that religion debate, you wont change people's mind in 5minutes, you may never, I once was religious and cant say in good confidence that Im happier now not believing in a God than before so I wouldnt advocate shoving you're views down their throats.

    I will admit I do sometimes find people's views annoying but everyone is entitled to their opinion including not having one! Im sure people are equally annoyed by some of my views, there is no distinctive right or wrong a lot of the time.
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    I know, the troubles of marriage. Do you guys think its worth it? I'm really not very sure right now.

    Lead poisoning was a big problem, but there were also many other issues with their society.

    Robbie: I already stated that I believe in what Socrates said about how we all know nothing; the more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

    I'm not intolerant; if I were intolerant, then I would have no friends and would be in complete isolation right now. I am likely the most tolerant person around if you define tolerance as not showing how much you dislike certain things, and never taking action due to it (But of course if change could be made, I would try my best). This thread is the first time I have told anyone about by feelings on this.

    To tell you the truth, I was also once religious (Raised by very Christian parents) , up until five years of age when I finally gained enough reasoning skills to understand that it was all nonsensical BS. None of my friends were atheist either. "It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Never take my age into consideration, unless it is extremely pertinent to the matter at hand, like marriage. -Regardless of ones intelligence, some things can only be learned with time.

    I have observed that people let emotions like love get to them too much when looking for a partner. When they do this, and ignore their differences, disaster will ensue, likely leading to a divorce. For me, the type of intelligence that they posses is the main determiner of our differences. A persons intelligence determines ever facet of their life and how they live it.

    How would you define social intelligence? Is it the ability to convey your emotions? Or is it the ability to conform/manipulate others as needed in order to make every one like you?

    Although I may not be able to convince religious people, it is good mental training.

    Everyone needs a view on everything. If you do not have a view, then you are being complacent. Having no view at all is as good as always going with the majority.
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    Mere ignorance, I can contend with. Everyone is ignorant about certain things, or else there wouldn't be a pursuit of further knowledge to begin with. The rejection of fulfilling that ignorance is what's appalling, and, unfortunately, that's a phenomenon all too common.
    A fool's brain digests philosophy into folly, science into superstition, and art into pedantry.
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    Cold Fusion, take heart. I was born in 1951 and since 1956 have read on average at least one text book a week, every week since. In 1958, I was in a children's hospital and diagnosed as having an IQ of less than 85. Things happen and things change. Now if necessary I can discuss/argue on numerous subjects and sometimes run rings around some professors within their own subjects, simply because too many stop learning too soon - and I still say 'I know nuffin, nuffin at all' (where did that come from?).

    It's not so much how much you know, but what you do with that knowledge...... so taking Reidar's point, I think it's important to NOT show too much tolerance for some things. Deliberate ignorance in a society that provides so much, is to me something not to be tolerated. It's not important how many friends you can count, but how good a friend each one is - quality will beat quantity ever time. Thus if you lose the odd friend or three, the ones that stay are worthy of thee.

    Why did you lose/stop being religious? Did you ever consider that the general definition of God fitted the meek and mild, but not the mental wild child? I'm not in the slightest bit religious, yet I believe in God in the absolute form.

    Why are you so concerned about a wife or marriage? As Robbie says, understanding and having empathy can be as useful as interlect. Just because others get there early does not mean you have to. Individuality will get you there just the same.
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    Patches, for some reason your post didn't show up until I decided to post...

    I do not consider myself very knowledgeable. Most of what I know, and understand about life comes from pure logic alone. My friends of course...consider me all knowing on the other hand.....

    I show tolerance when it is necessary, and no tolerance when change can be made and no significant amount of harm is done to me either socially, mentally, or physically.

    I also believe in quality over quantity, but I have different friends for different reasons. At some point or another I tested their mental reasoning abilities; all but 3 failed. What made me frustrated was my last reasoning quiz, and the sheer ignorance that I realized he possessed.

    I have lost many friends over time; I won't hang on to anyone if I do not need their friendship; I'm not desperate.

    I stopped being religious because I finally realized that religion is only man's way of believing in things highly beneficiary to themselves; If a god had nothing to offer-no eternal life, no way to make the crops grow, no big brother watching over them constantly, no fantastical stories to make their boring lives more interesting, and nothing to look forward to after a hard miserable life, then almost no one would believe in a god. If we had everything, gods would have only existed for a short time to explain things that people were ignorant about at the time-but as science grew, people would not need to claim that a god made it possible. They would instead have objective mathematical proof as to how things work.

    I am not very concerned about a wife, I only brought it up as a side note to my main discussion.

    Many, if not most of my emotions are based off of intellect. My empathy and understanding are the formation of logical reasoning. Most people either have random elements of these feelings, or were given them by their parents; I obtained most by determining which position on each was most objectively correct. Many may think that emotions like these are completely independent of intellect-they only think that because almost no one is willing to give up their happy little feelings for the truth. I am likely one of the few people on earth who uses logic for such a great number of life controlling parameters.

    Reidar: I agree, but I would turn ignorance to appalling, and the lack of will to correct their ignorance an unfathomably obscene and angry word.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    sadly u will need to get over it, frankly there is alot f dumb people in the world around us, and we will still have to work with them in yr job
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    I know

    I have very many great ideas....things that could be patented. Once I get a masters in business, I plan on making enough money through my own devices in order to never need a boss, or idiot co-workers.
    We will see......at least living here has given me the copping abilities to deal with most people.
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    In my opinion, it is up to you to adapt.

    For example, if you were one of your friends instead of you, you may feel the same way and think the same way they do. They may not have your intelligence or knowledge, and personal experiences play a great role in making us who we are.

    The next time you are frustrated with one of your friends, remind yourself of this. Use your intelligence to place yourself in their frame of mind and try to be understanding.

    Also, it may make you feel better to think that when you are not around, and the subject of intelligent people comes up, these same friends probably gloat about this "really smart friend" they have (i.e., you).


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    I try to do that, but often times I cannot fathom their despicable logic.

    I forgot to add-a couple of them do often come to me for advice that they told me they cannot ask anyone else. I answer their questions with perfect truth and honesty, and when I can't, I tell them that I lack the knowledge of the subject to give a sufficiently objective response. They usually take the answer, but more than often fire back with some stupid comment on what they believe to be a logical fallacy in my response. I find this very hypocritical since they continue to come back to me with seemingly perfect reliability in my skills....yet very often criticize my response to no end. It is like being lost in a forest, without hope and no way no navigate or to know where you are going; then suddenly asking a native resident that you come upon which way it is to escape from the forest; he tells you, then you respond by saying, "Your wrong!!!!". Its ridiculous.
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    Oh dear the predicaments of the Intelligencia!

    Cold Fusion, i know what you mean but don't let it eat you too much, people have a choice, and i think there can be many reasons why they don't like to think.

    1. Thinking and learning requires hard brainwork, lots of effort, uses lots of calories and oxygen and it can be exhausting (when i am studying i am constantly hungry and i always have to go to bed early! If you go swimming do this experiment- hold your breath, dive under, swim and see how far you get without having to take a breath. Now try it again whilst trying to work out a maths problem at the same time. You won't get half as far as you did the first time!)
    2. Thinking can make people unhappy! Thinking can lead you to certain truths about the world around us and especially the self that are hard to swallow! It can also be incredibly frustrating because it reveals problems that require further thinking to solve.

    This is why people switch on the telly and resort to zombie mode, and who can blame them after a hard days work? They're exhausted already. This is one of the problems of our society. People have too work too hard and long to make their crust and just don't have anything left over to think too hard with!

    Another factor i often find is that 'thinkers' are usually 'seekers' too. The adventurous sort that have been bitten by the 'hunger for knowledge' bug! Fearless questers who aren't afraid to dig into a book with an obscure title and reach for a dictionary to find out what it means. One who doesn't give up when faced with complexity and problems, but grits their teeth instead with determination to find out and understand!

    This type of hunger for knowledge is the same as an intrepid adventurer who explores unknown terrains because they have just got to find out and know what's over the next horizon, and with each step the world just keeps getting bigger and bigger, and once you're on the path, as you probably know, it's impossible to turn back! The only difference is that questing for knowledge occurs internally, yet both the interior and exterior benefit greatly from it, because it gives you so many more ingredients to work with. There's nothing quite like being able to make 'informed' decisions!

    If you are one of them, then think yourself very fortunate! Don't be put off by your friends efforts to squirm out of their ignorance. Make 'em squirm! All that's happening in relation is that you are exposing their ignorance to themselves, and by God if humans are any good at anything, it's concocting elaborate justifications and excuses as to why they are lazy or stupid, and if that fails they will resort to insult and scapegoat and make out there is something wrong with you! (Because it couldn't possibly be them, admitting that requires them to think and face up to their ignorance, and that's painful!)

    I have been accused of 'thinking too much', when i am puzzling over something and gritting me teeth to find out, they say "Oh H, maybe you think too much, perhaps you should just forget about stuff like that and get on with life" (And if only they knew that's exactly what i am doing!)
    My answer to that is "Well perhaps then in comparison, you don't think hard enough!"
    But some people prefer to use muscle, some prefer to use brain, and some lucky buggers use both.

    Just keep feeding them the 'bug' and hope they get bitten and if they slander you, just smile sweetly and knowingly!

    Before long you'll probably find some of them when faced with questions or problems will come and ask you, and they'll be glad they've got a friend to ask!
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    I have very many great ideas....things that could be patented. Once I get a masters in business, I plan on making enough money through my own devices in order to never need a boss, or idiot co-workers.
    Huh??!!!
    If you have all these great ideas and you are so intelligent why on Earth would you be wasting your time on getting and M.B.A.? Go out and do it. M.B.A.s are for the small people who need guidance and a sense of belonging. Clearly you are above this, so I repeat why bother with the Master's?
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    Thank you for the support.

    Ophiolite, you have a point, lol. I am still not sure about the point behind obtaining a masters; to get started with what I want to, I need a job to provide investment money. Unfortunately employers pay allot more money to someone with a masters, seemingly regardless of their true intelligence. I would likely only hold the job for five years until I had the money to carry out my ideas. The question is, is the financial gain and sacrifice of two years, or the the gain of two years more beneficial? Could the extra money made in two years make up for the loss of money per year? I know about other options to obtain money for my purposes, but I am starting to get worried about the U.S. economy and how stable certain loan or co-operative financial partnerships will be. I have read a good number of economics books, and success stories; many of them are based on investing, and explain that you mostly see the success stories and not the sheer number of people who fail at their attempts to make their plan work. By only using my own money I could fail until I die without severe damage, but by using other peoples money, I need to get it right the first time or suffer the consequences, unless I use methods that I still do no know allot about.
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    Sorry to refer back to old points, but it's not exactly that being dumber is better, evolutionarily speaking - it's more that being smart is only worth it if your smarts make you more successful than the rest. As Selene said, the brain is a giant resource sink - if it's not doing you any good, then it's better to use those resources somewhere else, where it will do you good. Someone else mentioned social intelligence - these days, perhaps knowing what carcinogen means isn't as important to reproductive success as knowing how to read what people like and to charm their socks off and make everyone your friend - and, to have ample choices for a possible mate.

    Even being as smart as you are, I think it's very important you don't neglect/underestimate social intelligence. Even smart people need to function in the human social world, unless you plan to live the life of a hermit. I imagine that once you patent your ideas, you'll need to sell them - to other people. And if you haven't practiced the art of interaction, you might have some trouble. You're going to need all those dump people to buy your products one day.

    CF, going to college will hopefully be a great thing for you, since as you mentioned there will be a greater concentration of smarts. Also, as you venture forth into your chosen career field, you will meet even more people who are of similar mind to yourself. I would have to repeat Ophiolite's advice to skip the MBA - especially if business is not necessarily something you enjoy! What about the subject areas that your patentable ideas fall in? Why not study in those fields instead?
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    I am also very good at my version of psychology. As in I am able to, besides in the case of trying to understand stupidity, completely understand a persons emotions and feelings on things. I have put much thought into business and how much "social intelligence" it requires, which is why I am also putting energy into my psychology so that when they day comes for a very important business proposal to be made, I will be ready. In fact, I currently can complete 15 of my friends sentences 1/4 of the way through in order to save time by condensing their implications.

    I remember when I was five, I tried to make a business out of selling intricate looking stones to people in my local park. Even though I never sold anything, I still came back the next week with a new plan to make money. Each time I failed, I used what I had learned in order to improve my selling ability, until finally I managed to sell a sort of bouncing ball that I made. I take this as being completely applicable to my current situation. As long as your mistakes do not destroy you, you will come back stronger each time until you finally succeed. So, I do in fact like business, but I like philosophy, science, (a wife), and skiing much more; which is motivation enough to leave the business world as soon as possible, even though it will not really be that bad.

    My ideas all use physics, which is why I also participate in that section of this forum. Though, not intense physics; I do not think I will need a masters in it. I will study both in college, along with philosophy and art.

    If I succeed in making a good amount of money, I will likely be one of the few people in history to not be corrupted by wealth (Well, to be truthful, I am hoping) . I will still study everything I study today...and do everything just the same, except I will have considerably more time to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    In fact, I currently can complete 15 of my friends sentences 1/4 of the way through in order to save time by condensing their implications.
    One of the early self improvement books was called "How to Win Friends and Influence People". Based upon the above statement I think you could raise money by writing a book called "How to Lose Friends and Influence Daffodils."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    One of the early self improvement books was called "How to Win Friends and Influence People".
    Dale Carnegie! It's in my desk drawer at the moment!
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    It's the function of the media (both entertainment, political, and news) to provide as little real information as possible, while providing as much sensation as possible. Educated viewers are more difficult to "entertain."

    Therefore, for those who spend their lives engulfed in the pop-culture, popular news channels, and surround their lives with TV schedules, it's not surprising that they are exhibiting the same mental characteristics as a brick.
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    You have it all wrong! They APPRECIATE it when I do that; I improve the strength of what they want to convey to me; Its like someone asking you for the word they are trying to think of, and giving it to them. Anyone who takes offence, I do not do it to.

    I almost never watch T.V., and when I do its either the History, Science or Discovery channel. I get most of my information from what I consider to be more reliable T.V. news sources, papers like the NY Times, and websites. I also do research on the people involved in it to check for bias.
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    I almost never watch T.V., and when I do its either the History, Science or Discovery channel. I get most of my information from what I consider to be more reliable T.V. news sources, papers like the NY Times, and websites. I also do research on the people involved in it to check for bias.
    That's boring, theres nothing wrong with liking popular music or sports, these things are enjoyable thats why so many people like them!
    I love a good political debate or debate of any kind but it doesnt always happen in conversation.

    yeah you can hate the media if you want, however a dose of healthy scepticism is enough of a vaccine to taking it seriously. I'd still watch the news and take it with a pinch of salt, (although irish news isnt often that controversial!)
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    I never said that I didn't like popular music or sports....but I am not fanatical about either. I like what I like, and thats all there is to it.
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    I think you're dancing awfully close to the line of intellectual superiority (or rather, it seems like you ran past it a long time ago). Your friends are not stupid, they are ignorant. I am sure that there are areas where you are knowledgeable, and I am ignorant. I am also sure that there are areas where I am knowledgeable, and you might be ignorant.

    If we all let elitist attitudes influence our thinking, I could say you are stupid for not using proper grammar.
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    Dictionary.com definition of ignorance, "Lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact."

    They do know very little compared to me, and I know very little compared to many other people on this planet, but my point was that they do not have the mental capacity to contemplate certain things, which is by far the most aggravating detriment in them due to their inability to ever truly learn and correct their ways. If it was mere ignorance, than I would have no problem enlightening them on certain topics.

    On this forum, at least for the main respected members, no one knows a greater quantity of information than the next. Most of us have a great will to learn, that is only prevented from being completely fulfilled due to constraints like work, school, family, and other....distractions. I seem to have more time on my hands than most other people, but that is countered by my younger age and experience in life, leading me to believe that quantitatively I know no more than anyone here.

    And Kyte, what is your last sentence meant to mean? Are you insinuating that I do not use proper grammar? I would contest to that. Proper grammar even does not have anything to do with elitist attitudes....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyte
    I think you're dancing awfully close to the line of intellectual superiority (or rather, it seems like you ran past it a long time ago). Your friends are not stupid, they are ignorant. I am sure that there are areas where you are knowledgeable, and I am ignorant. I am also sure that there are areas where I am knowledgeable, and you might be ignorant.

    If we all let elitist attitudes influence our thinking, I could say you are stupid for not using proper grammar.
    I agree Kyte

    Who's scapegoating who?

    A superiority complex is an ugly thing. Even worse than stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Dictionary.com definition of ignorance, "Lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact."

    They do know very little compared to me, and I know very little compared to many other people on this planet, but my point was that they do not have the mental capacity to contemplate certain things, which is by far the most aggravating detriment in them due to their inability to ever truly learn and correct their ways. If it was mere ignorance, than I would have no problem enlightening them on certain topics.

    On this forum, at least for the main respected members, no one knows a greater quantity of information than the next. Most of us have a great will to learn, that is only prevented from being completely fulfilled due to constraints like work, school, family, and other....distractions. I seem to have more time on my hands than most other people, but that is countered by my younger age and experience in life, leading me to believe that quantitatively I know no more than anyone here.
    This is getting frustrating, you are a self proclaimed genius, yet it is becoming increasingly obvious that you are hugely ignorant of probably much more than your friends. You claim they are not intellectually capable of understanding what's important to you whereas I'd argue that the same is true of you to them. They have every right not to find what you find interesting and if they are uninterested by what you have to say then why would they bother to try understanding you?
    Dont give out merely because you want them to be interested in what you are with the facade that they're stupid. As you say you have plenty of time on your hands, why not spend some time on whatever they're interested in rather than spending the time bing so egocentric.
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    So where do we draw the line between those who don't understand something because they haven't spent time learning about it, and those who don't understand something because they can't?

    Let's take it to the extreme. My dog, no matter how smart he may be, will never understand quantum mechanics, computer networking, or bio-technology. It's not that he's ignorant of the details, it's because his capacity for understanding such subjects is simply not there.

    However, given some effort (on both ends) it is more than likely that you could get any human to understand and talk about those subjects. It's all a matter of their foundation understandings.

    I can take a native of the jungle, who has never even heard of a computer, and an IT guy from nearby, and get them both to understand some new piece of computer technology. The difference is that the IT guy will probably only take a few minutes to understand it because he already has a foundation of computer knowledge. The jungle native isn't incapable of ever understanding the new computer technology...you just have to start at the bottom.

    So which of them is "dumb?" The jungle native, or the IT guy? I would argue that it entirely depends on the particular frame in which "dumb" is being applied. If "dumb" is being defined as the differentiator between those with a capacity to understand, and those without, then neither the IT guy or the jungle native could be considered dumb. However, if "dumb" is being defined as who has the capacity to understand the new computer technology at this single moment, then it might be said that the jungle native is dumb, since at this moment he lacks the ability to understand the new technology.
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    So you think I have a superiority complex due to the fact that I admit that I know much more, and have higher cognitive abilities than most people? Thats not true; I'm only telling the truth for the sake of this discussion, without trying to give that impression. My last post was meant to reinforce that.

    I am not a self proclaimed genius....some of you seem to be taking my posts in a very pessimistic manner for some reason. I only seek the "truth" in life without regard for my personal emotions. My IQ is 126, not very high, people consistently score higher than me on tests, and in fact, the majority of people around here consider me an idiot (Just like they did to many if not most of the great philosophers and writers of the past). If you have any sense of literary comprehension, then you would have seen the rhetoric "modifiers" that I included for the very purpose of preventing such accusations; but obviously that didn't work.

    Why would you regard me in such a bad way? I only stated that I do not like the idiots of society.....does that apply to you in anyway? Are you saying that you are who I describe by responding that way? I never attacked anyone on this website through my posts; in the past I have only attacked the real morons who we would all agree are so.

    It is okay that they do not understand most of what I am interested in. Even with what little they use to entertain themselves, they still have no understanding for. Take their rap music for example; I like a good beat, which is why I have about 50 rap songs in my music collection....although everyone else around here is obsessed with rap culture and make it their life, practically a religion. I understand their culture better than they understand it. I am able to decipher their entire rap world and explain every single part of it. Why would I know more about a culture that I'm not even part of? Because I am willing to know the truth and they are not. As someone else stated in a previous post, the will to know is better than actually knowing. Even when people here devote themselves to somethings, I find that I still know surprisingly more than they do on certain parts of the topic, even though I have never directly studied it.

    It does not make sense that I know more about things that I am not part of, and have no knowledge of. Its amazing that through instant deduction I can know more about someones life long interest.

    Take this as another example: There was a physics class I took a few years ago that I did very well in. In that class through observation, I determined who was enthusiastic about the class and who wasn't. We all came in knowing the same amount of information, and there were many with the same amount of enthusiasm that I had. I did better than all of them but a few in terms of grades, and in terms of knowledge outside of the tests, I was vastly superior (This was before my crusade for knowledge by means of forums and wikipedia started). But, you may ask, "How could this be if you all came into the course with the same amount of knowledge and enthusiasm?" Either you could take my example as a lie, in which case you might as well say I lied about everything up until this point, and you might as well stop reading now, or you can believe me when I say my deductive abilities were much higher than everyone else's.

    Sure, we could all likely learn anything with time, but we do not have unlimited time. We all have around 75 years to live in order to create and absorb as much information as possible. Every extra second you must spend on a topic to understand it is a second less to understanding the next. If it takes one person a minute, and another five, then the first has a great advantage, specially if that can signal future time advantages. Saying it can be learned with time is no excuse for mental deficiancies (For you pessimists out there who have no literary comprehension abilities, I am using this word like I would consequence in that I am using the less/non-harmful side of the word) . And no, I'm not saying that you are an idiot if it takes you longer than someone else to learn or understand something, I'm merely pointing out that time is a very precious thing.....

    Its funny how Ophiolite's post (Which I explained myself for) and Kyte's changed a few people's attitude towards me. Before that post, I thought things were going smoothly! But then a misinterpreter comes out of nowhere on his first post and slanders me! And whats even better is that people followed it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Its funny how Ophiolite's post (Which I explained myself for) and Kyte's changed a few people's attitude towards me. Before that post, I thought things were going smoothly!ut then a misinterpreter comes out of nowhere on his first post and slanders me! And whats even better is that people followed it!
    I merely made an observation based on your first post, which was riddled with condescending language like,

    Who here is surrounded by idiots? I am
    It just amazes me that I am one intelligent and aware person among so many idiots....
    by the time people like me started appearing on the evolutionary time chain, the idiots that I deal with should have been eliminated by natural selection.
    Maybe the sun has fried their brains??? Maybe that is why not a single neuron in their blank minds is doing a single useful thing for them.
    Admittedly, I know nothing about you. Your choice of words, however, doesn't suggest that you want to understand what you perceive to be a "stupidity phenomenon," but rather that you simply want to tear down those around you.

    But then a misinterpreter comes out of nowhere on his first post and slanders me! And whats even better is that people followed it!
    I don't think slander means what you think it means. :wink:
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    Oh really?

    Dictionary.com definition of slander, "A malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: 'a slander against his good name'."

    It is you who do not understand its definition...... :wink:

    This definition exactly fits what you said, delete your post if you don't like it.

    I wrote everything for the more intelligent people of this forum for whom it does not apply. You should only take offense if you fall under one of my statements; in which case, you should get angry enough with me to change your ways out of spite, if not something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    ...in which case, you should get angry enough with me to change your ways out of spite, if not something else.
    Wait...why should they change to fit your model of an ideal person?

    Just because you've labeled them as idiots, doesn't mean they're going to change, nor are they obliged to do so (unless they deem your assessment of them worthy of consideration).
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    Hold on a minute people!

    I think it is important in our education and enlightenment to have real life examples of the diversity of possibilities that humans can reach.

    Therefore i would like to thank Cold Fusion with all my beating heart for providing us with a realistic example of a superiority complex and for giving us all insight into the workings of an egocentric conceited mind.

    As well as giving us clear ideas of what notions of the self are best avoided and therefore enabling us all to find the correct path in reaching humble intellectuality and avoiding stupidity.
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    That was only intended for people on this forum.

    First, they must relate to one of the statements, next they must become angry only because they care about what I am saying and therefore do not want to prove me right about them by doing nothing. I never tried to build an idea of a perfect person....there is no such thing. I am made of imperfections, you are, everyone is. You should only get angry if you consider that what I am saying could hold true to yourself. If you do not, then why bother worrying? I have shown, and agreed that it is near impossible to change peoples minds on more advanced philosophically related subjects. What I said only applies to a few, and is highly circumstantial in a way that it cannot be made into a broad statement like you thought it was. Although this destroys it.....It was for effect, not as an actual pure statement; almost slightly sarcastic in fact.
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    You claimed that I am stupid, due to my un-humble intellectuality. Obviously you do not like what I said. IS THIS BECAUSE IT PERTAINS TO YOU, or because you wish to back up those to whom it is directed? I started this argument so that none of it was directed towards people on this forum, and only to those that I described. How could anyone here not agree with most of what I have said? I am not insulting anyone here, and if I did, I apologize strategically. I am trying to say that people need to start understanding where they are going wrong, if not by my "useless" definition, than at least by their god damn own!!! If we all continue life as if there is a heaven that we are going to, then we will all completely loose the will to truly find and be true to ourselves. That is my point, that is what I intended! Even atheists posses this attitude; either it is religious people who are waiting for greatness to come to themselves, or it is atheists who have given up all hope for life and are waiting to die! Either attitude must be abolished! There is no god....you are your only god! You have control over your life, you and you only. Only you can make the decision to be more than an entity formed from star dust pointlessly climbing up the evolutionary stairwell. Only you can find who you are outside of all influences including yourself. Only you can decide to grasp hold of the flickering light that crosses your mind, your ocean of knowledge for which bright comets from the galaxies of wisdom my be absorbed for better or worse the future that you choose to make for yourself.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    For goodness sake Cold Fusion

    You are making a fool of yourself now by trying to dig yourself out of the pit you've thrown yourself in.

    Crawl out and admit your stupidity.

    If you don't want people to think you are a superior ass then why write such things.

    If you are so clever and smart become a teacher or something instead if dissing the stupid and doing nothing about it except trying to make yourself feel grand and everyone else look worthless and insignificant.

    If i was your friend i would kick your arse and make you eat humble pie until you puked up your arrogance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Dictionary.com definition of slander, "A malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: 'a slander against his good name'."
    And that's exactly why it isn't the appropriate word choice.
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    Would any of the intelligent people care to back me up?

    Once again, you have ignored my questions and my main points. You seem thirsty to start a fight for some reason; you are acting like an uncivilized brute who gets frustrated when they cannot contemplate certain things and for that reason takes their aggression out on the other.

    These two are running around claiming that I am the moron; they are starting an unnecessary fight for no other reason than their little personal disgust with my views.

    Everyone, ignore them, just listen to what I had to say and decide for yourself whether it is nonsense or not. Don't let two little trouble makers sway your views.

    You two need to take an English course in order to raise your comprehension skills above that of an elementary school drop out on lsd.

    I would also suggest that you stop conversing on this forum....the calories that you use through typing are not worth the nonsense that you come up with. Although, I do find what you have to say amusing.....it is not worth the server's storage space either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Once again, you have ignored my questions and my main points. You seem thirsty to start a fight for some reason; you are acting like an uncivilized brute who gets frustrated when they cannot contemplate certain things and for that reason takes their aggression out on the other.
    No one but you is getting frustrated. But keep talking -- it just makes your arrogance more apparent.

    You two need to take an English course in order to raise your comprehension skills above that of an elementary school drop out on lsd.

    I would also suggest that you stop conversing on this forum....the calories that you use through typing are not worth the nonsense that you come up with. Although, I do find what you have to say amusing.....it is not worth the server's storage space either.
    Why so hostile over a simple discussion? Were you so confident that everyone would show up to stroke your ego that it is inconceivable anyone would disagree?
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    The purpose of life is not the pursuit of knowledge. So you are a genius and all your friends are stupid, so what? It doesn't make you any happier. If anything, the opposite. I am reminded of the episode of the Simpsons when Homer becomes very bright, and in turns loses all his friends. He makes the choice to return to stupidity in order to have a better quality of life.

    If you are a smart, save your intellegent discussion for people who are able to keep up, but don't critisize those who can't. Find something on their level to have mutual interest with; if theres nothing then don't be their friend. But for heavens sake, stop being so judgemental! It will get you absolutely nowhere...
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    MY purpose in life is the attainment of knowledge, the tool for which logic can be used to broaden my perception.

    I am not a genius, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. I only have a very strong resolve to attain higher mental reasoning abilities. Your resolve towards a goal in life, and the journey that comes from it, is more important than actually reaching your goal. That, is another issue I have with people. They have no idea what they want to do. That would be OK if we could all have eternity to decide, but we don't. Deciding what your goals are, are best made early in your life. I suggest reading "Notes from the Underground" by Dostoevsky; his articulation on topics discussed in this thread are better than mine.....though, you will likely only get considerably more from reading his work since you will take him seriously and actually TAKE THE TIME to decipher the meaning behind his writing.

    I already explained this; we all seem to have an equilibrium. It is near impossible to break this and obtain a great amount of happiness or sorrow; therefore what I am doing right now will never make me "sad" or do anything truly detrimental. Anyways, much of what I an trying for cannot be described by words like sad; if what you think can be described by words, then you are obviously limiting yourself. Only using our limited expressive abilities through words is pathetic....but that it why art and music exists. I am currently defining my own internal art form in order to transcend basic thought processes. When I respond to highly philosophical, meaningful posts I am only translating the wordless thoughts inside my mind.

    I do not want happiness in life....read "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley for insight into what happens when humans get to obsessed with happiness. I only want to be more than another complex system of cells and neurons that will die one day through its own will. How to become...more than human? I really have no idea, and likely will never, but as I said, it's the journey that matters, not the result.
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    Why don't you try telling someone with chronic depression there is a emotional equalibrium?

    Why do you want to be more than a clump of atoms or whatever you said? I mean, that's really what you are right? If you mean be more than your peers, why? Satisfaction? How would it make you any less shallow than the guy who buys a Fararri just so people are jealous than him? Pursuit of mental superiority over your peers is no better than pursuit of financial superiority, popularity or looks. Gloating about it too.
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    Earlier I said this:
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    I have very many great ideas....things that could be patented. Once I get a masters in business, I plan on making enough money through my own devices in order to never need a boss, or idiot co-workers.
    Huh??!!!
    If you have all these great ideas and you are so intelligent why on Earth would you be wasting your time on getting and M.B.A.? Go out and do it. M.B.A.s are for the small people who need guidance and a sense of belonging. Clearly you are above this, so I repeat why bother with the Master's?
    Cold Fusion, you seemed to think this was sober advice. It seems your mediocre IQ of 126 was insufficient to recognise irony. Perhaps this sarcasm will be more discernible.
    On the plus side I find myself, for the first time, being in almost total agreement with Selene. You are coming across as an arrogant prick. If these friends genuinely are as thick as you portray them then why on Earth are you hanging around with them? The truth is you are either a bombastic bastard, or extremely foolish. The former merits the disparaging comments directed towards you, the latter would be deserving of pity.
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    "I write only for myself, and I wish to declare once and for all that if I write as though I were addressing readers, that is simply because it is easier for me to write in that form. It is a form, an empty form-I shall never have readers...." -Dostoevsky
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    Then write it in your diary, not a public forum!!!
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    CF - when I first read your OP, I sympathized with you because I know what it's like to find yourself with a group of people, and realize that there is not one among them you can truly relate to. I don't doubt that in many ways you are probably very different from your friends, and maybe most of the people around you. Those of us who are deeply interested in science often feel that way, because the majority of people in the world do not share such an interest.

    At the time I didn't care much about your comments on them being idiots. I understand that you are frustrated with your situation and came here, a place where you felt more at home, to vent. But I think it's good that someone took you to task on that. It's easy to say "I'm surrounded by idiots!" when the people around you can't maintain a decent conversation about the topics you're most interested in - but it's not necessarily because of their ability, but more because of the difference in personality. You may be different from them, but you are not necessarily better than them, and whether or not it was your intention to imply such a thing, you did. Learn from this, and move on.
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    Sigh........ :| I guess I cannot talk like this here anymore. Every single last accusation was repelled before hand in my writing. I guess people are not very good at English here.....damn those advanced placement classes that I took.

    I will say one more thing in regard to this post to push your nerves.

    "To be great is to be misunderstood" -Ralph Waldo Emerson

    This thread was a combination between a rant, and a test, yes, the very test that I described, but on you people.

    Go ahead, hate me! Speak your mind! I want to hear it all.
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    (I still think you're just bloody young, as evidenced by your thought that anyone here would bother to hate you.)

    ...But the real reason I am responding is because of your Dostoevsky quote, which was quite amusing. Ta for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    I guess people are not very good at English here..
    If you're having trouble getting people to understand you, why do you think it's the English? A better grasp of the English language can only help you use it, and that use doesn't mean you can ignore your audience.


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    ..damn those advanced placement classes that I took.
    Is this another indirect attempt to show off?
    I took AP English in HS, too. Can't say it was all that special...


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    While that may very well be true, the reverse is not.

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    I like the fact that i don't know everything

    Because it means I've still got the fun and excitement from lots more things to learn and find out! :-D
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    Cold Fusion,

    If I were you I would heed Ophiolite's words. He ''put me in my box'' a while ago and I owe him a great debt of gratitude for it and it was one of the reasons I joined this forum to get an insight into how to develop ones character.
    Surely you must realise that your arrogance is quite appalling. Also I wouldn't brag an IQ of 126, George Bush's is 128 or so and look at how smart people think he is!

    Although I do understand what you have to put up with, nearly all my friends share little or no interest in science or latest developments in the world or else they are content in being blissfully unaware of the world unfolding around them... Last night's football match is far more interesting than oil peaking 100$ a barrel...etc.

    Nonetheless I cannot complain for I am blessed with being reletively intelligent and capable of doing great things if I put my mind to it so I do not think much of it.

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    Cold Fusion [quote] Everyone needs a view on everything. If you do not have a view, then you are being complacent. Having no view at all is as good as always going with the majority.

    Is this your ideal world, one in which everyone has an opinion of everything?

    If this were to ever come into existence, would you then change and not have an opinion on everything, so as not to be always going with the majority?

    It seems to me that you live in a world of logic with only black and white, but neglect the big grey area in between. E.g. One person may be very intelligent in the subjects of T.V. film and literature but know nothing of the sciences, philosophy and politics. Another may be just as intelligent in the sciences, philosophy and politics and know nothing of T.V. film and literature. If these two were to talk to each other, who is the imbecile?
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    I know how the system of modern civilization works; not every one can dedicate their lives to being intelligent in a purely useful way, not even I can 100%. We need the people that work at construction cites, the Sears, the supermarkets, and all other working class jobs. We also need people that are good at film and entertainment and other seemingly pointless jobs. These jobs are not pointless only because they keep our society together. Without any form of entertainment people would become so bored that they would start doing things that they never could have imagined doing before. Without the farmers, store workers, city repair men, etc... we could not live in the world that we do today. What I want though, is for even the working class to know enough about philosophy (all types) and science to make informed decisions in the democracies. If any noticeable percentage of the U.S. population were even marginally intelligent (In a useful way) then we would not have elected Bush. I'm not asking everyone to be completely capable of gaining a high level of understanding in philosophy and science, but only to WANT to obtain it. Most people that I know are SATISFIED WITH THEIR STUPIDITY. Not only do you need to at least try as hard as you can, but you need to prioritize your time so that your opinion does not cause the downfall of a nation. Continue making excellent movies, but on the side, put away SOME time to understand things that you can make an important difference in.

    No, you cannot be intelligent in certain areas, you can only be KNOWLEDGEABLE. There is a big difference between intelligence and knowledge. Intelligence is more like your IQ, it gives you the ability to succeed at many things, and choose wisely which things to be good at. Though, there is more to it than that-enough to require a new thread to explain.

    You should have an opinion in as many things as possible. It broadens your mind on the world, and increases your intelligence in the process. Even if you do not have an opinion on some random topic, try to. If you do not succeed for whatever reason-the journey is more important than the result.

    Thank you for using some logic 1C3!!! It is like a breath of fresh air to have someone properly attempt to analyze my words!

    I speak in a compact poetic like fashion where many of my intentions can only be deciphered through knowledge gained from reading great works of the past. My statement, "Having no view at all is as good as always going with the majority" had circumstances of its usage and pertinence included. Normally as with many things of this sort, you would be correct in reversing it; but the conditions prevent it. Why? When I say that, I imply that by you not speaking your word for the bettering of mankind and this planet, you are letting the majority win. "The only thing necessary for bad men to succeed is for good men to do nothing". By saying, "going with the majority" I did not mean it entirely literally. You would not actually say yes to the majority, but rather due the lack of you saying otherwise, would be labeled as the majority since there would be nothing else to classify you as anything else. Because of this, reversing it would not work.
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    I understand that by reversing the statement, it had no real bearing on the subject and I appreciate the point you are making.
    I mearly wished to assertain the real meaning of your desire to not be labled with the general public. As some people just wish to be different, you clearly just dont want to have your views given to you and then pigeon holed into a catergory of which you would rarther not be in.
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    by the sounds of it your about the same age as me - (ish anyway)

    I dont talk philosophy or politics with my freinds much, mostly because they couldnt care less.(like you, that is why i come on theses forums) I think your being a little ignorant to say they are idiots (I dont know the details, they could be idiots for all i know) its just that they dont care about politics and philosophy at the moment. and to be fair it doesnt realy impact on your life much when your at school.

    there are some people I know who like to debate, and I usualy talk to them quite a lot, but the majority of my freinds dont realy care about it, yes they have views on things (everyone does, just some people dont express their views) but they just dont find it interesting to talk about it.

    oh and what you were saying about finding a wife/girlfriend, dont get a girlfreind simply for the sake of getting one, as I have seen many people do. you only want to go with someone if they're right for you, dont just go out with someone because you dont think you will find anyone better, or to conform to peoples expectations,because it will likely end in disaster (ive seen it happen :P).
    If you go and spend time talking with people that you wouldnt usualy talk to (diferent freindship groups) you will find that you arent surounded by 'idiots' after all.
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    It sounds like you understand my points in this thread then, 1C3....I appreciate that, unless you are being sarcastic in anyway, like SOME PEOPLE were before on this thread.....AHAUAAHUAHAHAUAHAOPHIOLITEAHAUAHAUHAUAH UAHAUUHUH!

    I live in the city often stereotyped to be a place of utter morons. Guess what? That stereotype is damn true. As soon as possible I am leaving this place for a decent civilized city. I do not think anyone on this forum has ever experienced the type of society that I have to deal with. Even the city council here is screwed up; it makes me feel like I'm living in the Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany.

    If I lived in New York, London, Paris, or any other large GOOD city then I would not be complaining.

    I would never get a girl friend for the sake of having one! In fact, the women under 30 are so bad here that I have blacklisted them all. Actually, (I stopped myself here, as to not make enemies of all young women on this forum). **************************************
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    In fact, the women under 30 are so bad here that I have blacklisted them all.
    I tried that. As a bonus, they couldn't ignore me or reject me. 8)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    It sounds like you understand my points in this thread then, 1C3....I appreciate that, unless you are being sarcastic in anyway, like SOME PEOPLE were before on this thread.....AHAUAAHUAHAHAUAHAOPHIOLITEAHAUAHAUHAUAH UAHAUUHUH!

    I live in the city often stereotyped to be a place of utter morons. Guess what? That stereotype is damn true. As soon as possible I am leaving this place for a decent civilized city. I do not think anyone on this forum has ever experienced the type of society that I have to deal with. Even the city council here is screwed up; it makes me feel like I'm living in the Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany.

    If I lived in New York, London, Paris, or any other large GOOD city then I would not be complaining.

    I would never get a girl friend for the sake of having one! In fact, the women under 30 are so bad here that I have blacklisted them all. Actually, (I stopped myself here, as to not make enemies of all young women on this forum). **************************************
    Im not being sarcastic in anyway! I understand and think the reason for the thread is valid. What you need to understand is that some people just don't care if they are ignorant and as frustrating as it makes you feel you should be careful how you express your views on that. What I find makes me feel ignorant and stupid is when I am in a group talking about actors and actresses (for example) that I know nothing about, which I imagine they must feel like when I talk about things of interest to me that they know nothing of. The only difference is that I will try to learn what they are talking about. What you should do if they are willing, is to try to teach them some of your knowledge, rarther than getting upset that they don't know.
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    I wasn't trying to offend you. I only do not know you well enough to determine your intentions, which is why I suggested it at all.

    I do try, as hard as I can.

    Knowing the names of actors is largely insignificant. Sure it is good to well balanced with your knowledge so that you can converse with as many people as possible, but you need to know some science and philosophy.

    I chose science and philosophy to be knowledgeable in, not because I thought they were cool as much, but rather that I knew they are the most direct path to understanding the world better, which to me is all you can do considering there is no point outside yourself to your existence. If I became dictator of my country right now, the world would be a much better place. Thats not to say I know everything, which is why I would hire a panel of advisers, but I do have the logic and understanding of the world, people and their minds. Who knows? I might be in a position one day where I can make a decision that will effect millions of people; I want to be ready for that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    I wasn't trying to offend you. I only do not know you well enough to determine your intentions, which is why I suggested it at all.

    I do try, as hard as I can.

    Knowing the names of actors is largely insignificant. Sure it is good to well balanced with your knowledge so that you can converse with as many people as possible, but you need to know some science and philosophy.

    I chose science and philosophy to be knowledgeable in, not because I thought they were cool as much, but rather that I knew they are the most direct path to understanding the world better, which to me is all you can do considering there is no point outside yourself to your existence. If I became dictator of my country right now, the world would be a much better place. Thats not to say I know everything, which is why I would hire a panel of advisers, but I do have the logic and understanding of the world, people and their minds. Who knows? I might be in a position one day where I can make a decision that will effect millions of people; I want to be ready for that day.
    No offence taken, none to be taken!

    But, if you truely want to understand the world better (sciences and philosophy are good for personnal understanding) but the world does not comprise of only these! Your panel of advisors would be no good if they only knew that which you know. :wink:

    If you did become dictator of your country, you would still not be dictator of the world! I don't want to offend you, but dictatoship in my opinion is not the way to go. Just a strong leader that appeals to everyone (if that is possible?)
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    I would not have advisors is they were not knowledgeable in other subjects. I would only have 2 out of the 200 or so skilled in philosophy.

    Plato believed in his book, The Republic, that the world should be ruled by philosopher kings, which is basically dictatorship. I highly believe in what he said; if it had come true, we would not have religion today, there would be no wars, crime would be 96% less, poverty non existent, and we would not have gone through the dark ages which was very much CAUSED BY RELIGION. If RELIGION had not taken hold of 98% of the worlds minds, then we would have been going to other galaxies by this point.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

    "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    If RELIGION had not taken hold of 98% of the worlds minds, then we would have been going to other galaxies by this point.
    I highly agree with your point, CF. It seems as though nowadays, if something isn't identified as being connected with 'God' it is deemed evil or unmorale. It seems as though religion was created to cover up for peoples stupidity, for example, if someone was to make a mistake they may claim "God decided it wasn't to be.", translating into "God did it." Whereas we can actually take blame on ourselves for the mistakes we make, and are mature enough to hold the consequences of our decisions. They believe that "If it can't be explained by God, it can't be done."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    In fact, the women under 30 are so bad here that I have blacklisted them all.
    I tried that. As a bonus, they couldn't ignore me or reject me. 8)
    Idiots
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    Thank you Doomers.

    Ha, It took her a while to realize it, but I think we pissed off Selene.

    Its true though, women seem to like it when you treat them badly.Of course though, I never do that even if they will like me more. OT, I know.

    But this of course only applies to the morons that live where I live. In England where Selene resides, I am not sure.
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    Cold Fusion I see your point and I see how you attempt to not offend the rest that are here, but your pattern of argument is so forwards in attempting to anger another you yourself have become angered. The way you waited for someone to hold your views true made you appear to be an egotist who wants someone to allieviate their insecurities. Though that may not have been your intention it was the result. I understand what you mean by being surrounded by idiots. You constantly search for knowledge making you an outsider in your area. Don't think a bigger city will change that. Learning=Work, Vast Majority of Humanity=Lazy, Lazy=Does Not like Work, thus Vast Majority of Humanity does not enjoy the work of Learning. Another note to bring up what you said, You may wite a bit similar to the greats of the old with simple riddles in their words to only unfold knowledge of what is said to seekers of that knowledge you disgrace it. They wrote like that out of frustration as to not offend those who did not seek the knowledge but to also allow those who did seek to find. You reverse its purpose and openly insult all who do not look behind your word and only grant understanding to those who do. I can see from both angles as do many here. They may understand you argument but do not endorse it as to not endorse the meaningless insults to the others that are here. You destroyed your own argument by bing to forceful. Do not group me as ignorant or an idiot because I put forth in a rational way opposition to the way you argue your point because as doing so all I would see and do see is someone who has an understanding and a problem but will not take opposition to his own views. You claim to want to learn but wil not progress by contemplating the other ides argument. Look at the mirror form the outside and inside to truly comprehend the world around you. Everyone may have a view but will not shout ti out because he also sees the other side and its purpose. Balance between both sides is the only true way you can comprehend everything is my view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Thank you Doomers.

    Ha, It took her a while to realize it, but I think we pissed off Selene.
    No you didn't piss me off.

    I just think you're a bunch of idiots.

    And I've met enough idiots to be able to say,

    'Ha, here comes another bunch of idiots again!'

    And this discussion is about satisfaction with stupidity?

    Well then I hope you're satisfied.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Its true though, women seem to like it when you treat them badly.Of course though, I never do that even if they will like me more. OT, I know.
    Oh really, well believe me I have met plenty of guys who also like being treated badly.

    In fact nearly every guy I've met has told me he either deserves a good spanking or needs a good kicking, and could i do the honours.

    And I don't give a shit how much more they like me or not as long as they pay up front!

    You really need to learn some business sense above that stubborn streak.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    But this of course only applies to the morons that live where I live. In England where Selene resides, I am not sure.
    Morons?

    The world is teeming with them!

    In fact I would say we were on the verge of an epidemic.

    I think they should be culled before any more of them get into government.
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    Attempting to anger another? I am not trying to directly fruitlessly anger anyone...if anything the anger I am trying to convey should be used as energy to push yourself to change societies corrupt ways.

    I am not insecure in anyway. I was not waiting, someone who agreed with me just happened to come by.

    It may not have been my intention but it was the result? So what, you are trying to speak for my intentions? If you bothered to carefully read all of my posts, then you would have noticed that my arguments countered everything bad that I thought would be said against me. And, I already repeated my intentions multiple times. I mean, I have no reason to lie to you about my true intentions...no one here can try to kill me or anything for what I say; its not like I am making up excuses to my girlfriend as to why I want to break up with her.

    I never said a bigger city would change it.

    "you may write a bit similar to the greats of the old with simple riddles in their words to only unfold knowledge of what is said to seekers of that knowledge you disgrace it."

    ? Maybe you could re-phrase it using better grammar. But from what I can tell, you seem to indicate that by using similar methods of conveying my emotions to those of the past, I am insulting them. How? What, if I am a bad basketball player to someone else, I am disgracing the entire sport? Come on, your logic is kind of odd.

    I already explained that I did not try to insult anyone. Its not like I said, "I hate people that like the color orange", and someone here happened to like the color orange. I directed my anger towards the idiots of society-WHICH MEANS, that IF YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A MORON, THEN WHAT I SAID APPLIES TO YOU. Why is it so hard to understand? Anyone here that I considered a moron before writing this thread, I accounted for offending-that account was that they might not understand my insults to them and therefore not take any offense so that this thread could remain pure, rather than a mesh of insults. Besides tainting the purpose of the thread, I do not care if I insult those morons. But again, no one that posted here was a moron, yet they took it as if I was implying they were, which could only arise out of them thinking of themselves as what I stated. This is basic logic.

    I am the product of many inner contradicting elements. Nothing that I say is not gone over by many "inner personalities". I am a democracy, not a dictatorship.

    What...anyone who is passionate about their thoughts is forceful and therefore wrong in their approach? If you believe that then you are directly discrediting tens if not hundreds of great people who talked like I talk.

    I see very light rational in your argument. Very single minded without any psychoanalysis involved.

    "Everyone may have a view but will not shout ti out because he also sees the other side and its purpose. Balance between both sides is the only true way you can comprehend everything is my view."

    -So you think that killers need to exist in order for non-killers to exist? With certain things that rational would work, but not with this. Many things are not polar, you know.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    Cold Fusion I see your point and I see how you attempt to not offend the rest that are here, but your pattern of argument is so forwards in attempting to anger another you yourself have become angered. The way you waited for someone to hold your views true made you appear to be an egotist who wants someone to allieviate their insecurities. Though that may not have been your intention it was the result. I understand what you mean by being surrounded by idiots. You constantly search for knowledge making you an outsider in your area. Don't think a bigger city will change that. Learning=Work, Vast Majority of Humanity=Lazy, Lazy=Does Not like Work, thus Vast Majority of Humanity does not enjoy the work of Learning. Another note to bring up what you said, You may wite a bit similar to the greats of the old with simple riddles in their words to only unfold knowledge of what is said to seekers of that knowledge you disgrace it. They wrote like that out of frustration as to not offend those who did not seek the knowledge but to also allow those who did seek to find. You reverse its purpose and openly insult all who do not look behind your word and only grant understanding to those who do. I can see from both angles as do many here. They may understand you argument but do not endorse it as to not endorse the meaningless insults to the others that are here. You destroyed your own argument by bing to forceful. Do not group me as ignorant or an idiot because I put forth in a rational way opposition to the way you argue your point because as doing so all I would see and do see is someone who has an understanding and a problem but will not take opposition to his own views. You claim to want to learn but wil not progress by contemplating the other ides argument. Look at the mirror form the outside and inside to truly comprehend the world around you. Everyone may have a view but will not shout ti out because he also sees the other side and its purpose. Balance between both sides is the only true way you can comprehend everything is my view.
    You should break up your sentences.

    It makes it hard and tedious to read when it's all in one heavy block of text like that.

    Ah but then you're a bloke.

    So why are you bothering anyway?
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    Rotfl....so, Selene, are you saying that your profession is a dominatrix?

    Ah, I believe you, sorry for directing it towards women only. I have a few friends with abusive girlfriends that they love.

    "Morons? The world is teeming with them! In fact I would say we were on the verge of an epidemic."

    -Why didn't you say that before? I AGREE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    Rotfl....so, Selene, are you saying that your profession is a dominatrix?
    Is that what you call it?

    I love men, i just want to make them happy. If making them happy means kicking their butts and making them lick the kitchen floor clean, then so be it.

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    Ah, I believe you, sorry for directing it towards women only. I have a few friends with abusive girlfriends that they love.
    It's not abuse. It's love.
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    love=abuse........interesting.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    love=abuse........interesting.
    Love and hate are the same feelings.

    They are just called different things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene
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    love=abuse........interesting.
    Love and hate are the same feelings.

    They are just called different things
    You talked before, of putting all your love into cooking for your family. Now, I'm not sure they should eat the almond pudding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
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    love=abuse........interesting.
    Love and hate are the same feelings.

    They are just called different things
    You talked before, of putting all your love into cooking for your family. Now, I'm not sure they should eat the almond pudding.
    He he he

    Not all my love

    There's far too much

    It would never all fit in the pot
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    .................. o_0
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    After reading thou this whole topic I have a couple of response and questions for Cold fusion.

    As to your friends. Simply put not everyone is capable of intelligence, at least high intelligence. You don't pick how smart you are, it is determined before you are born for the most part. Some people have intelligence and don't use it but some just don't have the ability. But in your post you call your friends idiots, implying that you are superior to them, which ties into my next point but anyways why are they "stupid". Is it because they don't want to learn or they can't. Some people are given a gift of intelligence and others are not but just because they aren't as smart as you doesn't make you better than them. We all were given gifts and weakness but everybody is different. Also if you can't get along with them why do you stay with them?

    I would have to agree that you are egotistical and self centered. I am sorry but I believe that being egotistical is worse than being stupid because being stupid isn't a choice that you can make.

    The next thing I picked up is that you are very anti-religious. This is off topic but why do you hate religion?
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    No, you can choose how intelligent you are. I made a deal with myself when I was five, that I would be as intelligent as possible, regardless of the consequences. I also stated various points at which my mind would be further unlocked (It can be bad to be too intelligent in a place like this). Guess what...at every single one of those points my mind became accordingly more powerful.

    I do not let my mind or body tell me what to do or how I will turn out. And I definitely will never let it determine my intelligence. The second you claim that you are only so smart as dictated by your genes, you are letting your mind win.

    I do not like to use words like superior...it is too condescending. My goal was not to put them down in a useless rant, but rather to point out all of their downfalls.

    Both. When they ask me to tutor them for a test, they are usually unable to contemplate what I am telling them. Whenever knowledge and intellect are not necessary, they could care less. All they want to do is smoke and get drunk. I have already lost 4 friends to drinking and drugs..and I am afraid I am about to loose another.

    I believe we all have an equal number of basic weaknesses. The difference between me and them though, is that I utilize my disadvantages and turn them into advantages.

    They are all that I have. Regardless of their intelligence our humor and taste in music, movies, and hobbies are the same.

    I stated the facts and nothing but the facts. Don't you think that you cold reduce the harshness of that word just a little bit after reading that I believe 3 of my friends are intelligent?

    Its like this: you live on a planet with orange and yellow colored people. Through genetics the orange people are intelligent, and the yellow are idiots, uncivilized and barbaric. To this date not one yellow in existence has proven to be anything else but what has been observed of his race. So if one day someone were to remark to you that they cannot stand those awful idiotic yellows, would you call them racist?
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    There's a difference between racism and fact, and the difference is merely how you present the information. If you have people for being yellow because they're stupid, that's racism. If you point out that people are stupid and yellow, it make be accurate.
    It's only when you add opinion to facts that it becomes racist.

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