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    I thought it might be interesting to have a think about this:

    After Hawking switched gears away from his previous convictions that black holes destroyed information (Hawking Paradox), he came up with the idea that only some of the supposed parallel universes possessed black holes, and others did not. Therefore, although the information was lost in some, it was kept in the others, and ultimately the universes that lacked black holes would remain after those with black holes had essentially destroyed themselves.

    Curious thing is, we have detected black holes within the same universe as we perceive ourselves. So, what does this mean for us? Are we ultimately on the dead-end path? Further, does it matter? If these universes are parallel, it may hold that an exact self exists in each universe, inseparable from the next in detail and self. In such a case, we could very well be losing parallel "instances" of ourselves all the time.

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    I still do not see any proof for parallel universes, or reason to consider it a working theory.

    What about the jets emanating from the north and south poles of the back hole? Isn't that the broken down matter that came into it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    I still do not see any proof for parallel universes, or reason to consider it a working theory.
    Then perhaps take it hypothetically. I agree there isn't a lot of solid proof for parallel universes, but then again there probably isn't a whole lot of "solid" proof that there isn't parallel universes (among other things :P ).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    What about the jets emanating from the north and south poles of the back hole? Isn't that the broken down matter that came into it?
    Not unless I've missed something major in the past four years since I was deep into black-hole mechanics.
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    I don't agree on parallel universes. The idea on losing parallel 'instances' of ourselves all the time
    was new to me.

    Do you think one can communicate to beings resembling ourselves on other worlds? That would
    make quite a short cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    What about the jets emanating from the north and south poles of the back hole? Isn't that the broken down matter that came into it?
    That matter is ejected by the black hole's magnetic field before it gets sucked in.
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    Oh, ok. But how do they know for certain? What about hawking radiation, is that the annihilated matter being ejected over time, or just the black hole?
    How does the magnetic field act in that way?

    I wish we could create a 1 foot diameter black hole on earth in order to observe it....right now its so difficult.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    Last week a film has been on TV about a firm that created a black hole. Everything ran out of control as the
    black whole began to gulp down all the surrounding objects. What a mess was created.
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    When Hawking mentions "parallel universes" he's not talking about Sliders or anything like that, really.

    As for observing black holes, maybe when CERN gets its facilities online, we'll have a better look at that.

    As for the holes themselves, black holes aren't exactly these all-sucking "holes" in space that people think about from sci-fi flicks. The mechanics are far more complex than simply "what goes near gets sucked in."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    As for the holes themselves, black holes aren't exactly these all-sucking "holes" in space that people think about from sci-fi flicks. The mechanics are far more complex than simply "what goes near gets sucked in."
    Ja? How far? Please explain Wolff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Miller
    Ja? How far? Please explain Wolff.
    Maybe this thread will get you started. Sorry, I'm not in the mood to write a long post right at the moment...

    Black Hole Paradox
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    This thread basically says 'maybe' and 'stumbled upon'... goes like that.

    Where from do you know about black holes that are not like the one defining our very own galaxy?

    I don't read out there something which would get me started. Sorry.

    Black holes are in space only, right?

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    When I said "this thread" I meant the thread in the link I posted right below that line: Black Hole Paradox
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    Sure. I know. I replied thereafter, Wolf.
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