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  1. #1 With Liberty and Justice for the Rich 
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    This country gives justice to only the rich. Everybody else is just an animal. Rich people have more rights than poor people. Rich people think they are better than poor people because they have money.

    The rich rule America with an iron fist.


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    Doesn't that hold true in any country? Look at China, there's only the rich and the poor under the guise of everyone is supposdly equall.


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    Yes it's the whole world.
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    So what's your point, just wondering?
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    The point is that rich people get whatever they want. Poor people are treated like dirt.
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    Yes. The poor people of America live in squalor with only their subsidized housing, color TV's, used cars, occasional trips to McDonalds and the dollar movies, and indoor plumbing to comfort them. And none of them ever get government grants to go to community college to get a good job so they can get a better TV and eventually start their own businesses and become rich.

    I'm sure the poor of third world countries pity our poor.

    While the rich folks just laugh and never give anything to charities, foundations or urban renewal projects. And they never hire poor people to work in their factories. They only hire slightly less rich neighbors.
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    That is why America is being inundated with immagrants from 3rd world countries to try and get a better life. Instead of trying to bring up their own countries standard of living they just leave and come to America instead. This mass exodus from poorer countries will only lead to a decline in America of the middle class.
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    I think I agree with that in general.
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    Cosmictraveler:
    That is why America is being inundated with immagrants from 3rd world countries to try and get a better life. Instead of trying to bring up their own countries standard of living they just leave and come to America instead. This mass exodus from poorer countries will only lead to a decline in America of the middle class.
    And who do you have to blame for this circumstance? The ruling rich of 3rd world countries. And many of them America holds by the balls.
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    THE CRAB SLAVE
    When somebody speaks out against rich exploitation, the rich of course brush it off, and pay it no mind because they know that there is always the Crab Slave to do all that work for them. The role of the Crab Slave is to remain a slave for the rich, and encourage others to be slaves just like him. The poor do all the work for the rich. Why make speaking out against activists an exception? Not only do the rich live off of the backs of the poor, they sit back while the Crab Slaves that they oppress stand up for the rich against those that speak out against oppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superluminal
    Yes. The poor people of America live in squalor with only their subsidized housing, color TV's, used cars, occasional trips to McDonalds and the dollar movies, and indoor plumbing to comfort them.
    Not necessarily. Poor people have many varying kinds of living situations. What makes them poor is that they are oppressed by the rich who have all the rights.

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    And none of them ever get government grants to go to community college to get a good job so they can get a better TV and eventually start their own businesses and become rich.
    1. None get good grants.
    This is false. Furthermore, how is it relevant? Whether everybody gets grants or nobody gets grants. What does this have to do with anything?
    The poor are oppressed, and they would only have to get grants if they are oppressed. The fact that grants exist makes it clear that oppression exists. If everybody truly had equal opportunity, nobody would have to be giving anybody grants.
    Perhaps you believe that the poor are not oppressed. And the poor have the same rights as the rich. You believe that the poor in America lives better than the poor in other countries. Therefore, they are not oppressed. Hey your slave eats rice while my slave eats rice with meat. Therefore, my slave is not a slave.

    2. Go to community college.
    Even if the poor person goes to community college or even 4-year university, it does not compare. The rich go to the highest top universities, and get the best educations.

    3. Get a good job.
    The poor person gets a ‘good’ job. What the poor minded believe is a ‘good’ job is crap. A measure of a good job is the amount of money you make for doing your time at work. In effect, a higher salary is how we will measure what a good job is for this purpose. What makes the poor person poor is that he does not, and cannot get the good (high paying) jobs. That is why they are poor. The rich oppress the poor, and make all of the money. 1,000 and even more than 10,000 as much as the poor person makes. The good jobs only go to the rich. They make all the money which is why they are rich.

    4. Get a better TV. Your whole argument is about the slave getting a halfass education, and be able to consume better stuff. Meanwhile, the conglomerate monopolies controlled by the rich that make the TVs are cashing in. The object is not to get a better TV. This is not what poor people want. Poor people want to be able to live freely, and have the best of opportunities like the rich. You believe that just because a poor person can get a better TV, they should be happy. Meanwhile, the rich do not get the better TV. They make the better TV, and profit off of selling the better TV.

    5. Eventually start their own business, and become rich.
    Not exactly. Most poor people stay poor. We hear atypical stories about poor people becoming rich. This is not the rule, but the exception. The vast majority of the poor stay poor. Meanwhile, the rich have so much money, and can travel around the world in a private jet just so they relax on a beach in the south pacific, and eat expensive meals that the poor people made. Everything that the rich consume from food to electronics to their own sky scrapers are manifested of the backs of the poor people. Meanwhile what do poor people get for it? Just enough to keep them on their feet so they can keep producing more and more for the rich to consume and pollute the earth.

    Quote Originally Posted by superluminal
    While the rich folks just laugh and never give anything to charities, foundations or urban renewal projects. And they never hire poor people to work in their factories. They only hire slightly less rich neighbors.
    I do not see how you can say that the rich never hire poor people to work in the factories. The poor people are the ones doing all the work. How can you prove this what do you mean? I think it is obvious to most people that the poor are the ones doing all the work in the factories.

    As for charities, you claim that the rich never give to the charities. I do not know what you are talking about. Rich people are always doing one charity or another. Do you even have a point to your pure lies. You know you are lying, and using your lies as an argument.
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    All lies aside, this is the plain and simple fact.
    The rich control everything. The poor do all the work that allows the rich to live outrageously. The poor in America have a far higher standard of living than the poor in other countries. This gives the illusion that they are rich. They are in a way, but realistically, they are still doing all the work. What makes a person rich is their ability to control a large population to the extent that they can live off of their work.

    The food that the rich eat comes from the backs of the poor. The products that the rich consume comes from the backs of the poor. The roads that the rich walk and the buildings that the rich use come from the backs of the poor. Everything that the rich have comes from the backs of the poor.

    The slave mentality is the poor person that thinks they are not oppressed. They do all the work for the rich. They are given money to afford higher standards of living and bombarded with media entertainment to keep their minds numb. Meanwhile, what do they really control? Nothing. The rich control them, and leech off of their efforts.

    There are circumstances when the poor that are capable of working live off of welfare so they do not have to work. Meanwhile the docile crab slave next to them calls them a leech, and tries to get them to work. In actuality, the crab slave is unaware that the real leech is the rich person. At the same time, the poor person on welfare is trying to get as much out of a system that prides itself in getting as much out of the poor as possible.

    There are the few that actually support the cause against the rich exploitation. Some of them are even rich. I give the example of Leonardo DiCaprio. As bad as his acting is, he does not sit back and passively throw funds to various charities. He takes an active role in making change, and has done much planning and activity for the sake of the cause.

    Meanwhile the Crab Slaves riddle the population trying to get the poor to focus on how good they have it. Sure it’s good to appreciate what you have. It is great to appreciate the fact that you are able to eat and bathe and walk down the street, and speak your mind without being violently assaulted. Some of the time at least. Poor people appreciate what little they have, and it is good to appreciate anything you can get. It os good to appreciate what health you have.

    But poor people have no intention of appreciating the fact that the rich are the biggest leeches that do nothing but oppress and live in extravagance at the expense of the poor.
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    It reminds me the list of countries sorted by the "quality" of life. And by "quality" of life, it was a combination of salary, health system, social system, national debt, and so on.

    Guess what, Norway is the first in the list ! ... USA around 40 ..... !
    So much money is in USA and still at 40 ... where is the money then ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capnemo
    It reminds me the list of countries sorted by the "quality" of life. And by "quality" of life, it was a combination of salary, health system, social system, national debt, and so on.

    Guess what, Norway is the first in the list ! ... USA around 40 ..... !
    So much money is in USA and still at 40 ... where is the money then ?
    As in any society driven by consumerism, stratification occurs. The money is in the hands of 2-8% of the population. Economic power can sway political bodies to 'administrate' 'justice' as they wish it to be.what's worse, those rich are not held accountable for their decisions, and the reason for this (at least in Western democracies) is that the poor class are much too busy being opiated by whatever scraps have been thrown to them. Why vote when you could watch MTV? :-)
    "Wherever you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Bonzai
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    Quote Originally Posted by ad . hoc
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    That is why America is being inundated with immagrants from 3rd world countries to try and get a better life. Instead of trying to bring up their own countries standard of living they just leave and come to America instead. This mass exodus from poorer countries will only lead to a decline in America of the middle class.
    And who do you have to blame for this circumstance? The ruling rich of 3rd world countries. And many of them America holds by the balls.

    The ruling rich of those countries could HELP their people. It isn't right for America to tell the people of other countries how to run them only to try and give them aid and guidance as to how to do things. If America forced other leaders into doing what America wanted the leaders wouldn't do it and the NEWS MEDIA would call America a tyraniacl dictatorial superpower trying to shove others around. The media would have a field day with America if it were to force another nation to change I believe.
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    First of all:



    Second of all, I disagree with the sentiment that people in 'richer' universities get a higher education. This is untrue. Businesses and corporations simply prefer to hire someone from Harvard and Yale, opposed to someone from the university of Oklahoma.

    That said, I am an avid fan of the 'it doesn't matter what you know but who you know.'

    I went to a gathering of entrepreneurs of the south of the Netherlands earlier this year, where I met loads of people. Had I wanted to, I probably could have gotten myself a job. Now, this is not being overconfident, the culture of that gathering was trusting each other, finding solutions to businessproblems, and it isn't so hard to talk yourself into a company.

    The poor are poor, and the rich are rich. The rich rule the poor. Yes, the nature of Capitalism. How sad it may sound, Capitalism works. It keeps people busy, and it keeps people alive. It doesn't profess to be a beautiful system that will bring its followers enlightenment. Personally, I am at peace with what Capitalism brings. Sure, it would be beautiful if everyone was happy and rich and everything, but I dare you to bring out a system that does.

    Karl Marx never said that Capitalism was evil. He merely saw it as a system that would eventually, when we moved to the next layer of food avaiblity would create a revolution of the poor. Until now, I do not believe such a revolution has occured, and true Marxism has not yet happened.

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    Capitalism is nor evil nor good. Just a tool.
    And like every tool, you have to know how to use it *and* then control it.
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    Any form of market useage will be used in ways for both good and bad. It is up to those who run it to insure it is properly run as it was intended to be.
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    Perhaps also the education system in usa has to be redefined.
    Do you know what was the cost of my 7 years of studies at Paris : 2500 euros at total !
    You work a little to bring food to your table and there you go.

    I was talking with a good friend who studied in USA, and he spent about $50.000 for less than 7 years !!! Why a so huge difference ?! It's really insane and it's obvious that if you dont have lots of money youll have trouble to study.
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    When one gets a job in other countries besides the USA they USUALLY get paid far less than what's being given here to start work with a large company with many benefits and perks. That is why it costs more to go to colleges, private that is, than in other countries besides America.

    That being said there are MANY state run colleges and univercities that are outstanding in their cirriculum and compete rather well with the private colleges for far less tuition than those privet ones. Far more students attend the state run colleges than the private ones by a 4 to 1 margin or more. The average yearly tuition for a state college is about 1,000.00 to 1,500.00 dollars US. There are some costing more if you need to have a room to stay there and are higher for other reasons but no where near the private colleges.

    Students from all over the world attend classes at many state run colleges here in America but there's not many other countries that allow for American students to attend their colleges for they are not residents of those particular coumtries as I'm informed. however there are some countries which do allow for foriegn students to enroll but there's not to many. Mare foriegn students come to America than visa-versa.
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    Oh that's better ! $1000 et $1500 is more easy to manage.

    And is it as easy to find a job with a state college degree compare to those private colleges ?
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    I'd say that the better the college you attend the better the company will hire you. A state college is fine for most "average" companies but to get to the best you must attend the best. The average starting salary for a college grad from a private college is over 80,000.00 a year while the state colleges garner about 50,000.00 to start. So there's a difference. I;m only talking about businesses here not engineers or other science related industries those grads can earn over 100.000.00 US.
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    Wow !

    Then, how do you provide this huge amount of money ? The parents must save save save like they do to buy a house no ?
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    There are scholarships, grants and awards that people sometimes can get from both private sources as well as the government. That's why the rich get richer.
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