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    Cyber bullying: Technology and McLuhan

    The cruel mob pursued 13 year old Megan Meier through our high tech “social networking site MySpace and called Megan a liar, a fat ***** and worse”.

    McLuhan has stated that all technology is an extension of a human faculty. The ‘bomb is an extension of the fist’ is a simple example.

    “The Medium is The Message” is the phrase that made Marshall McLuhan famous. It is a phrase most of us, young and old, have heard. Until recently this was a mysterious phrase that left me speechless.

    Megan, 13, fought back, but she was overwhelmed.

    Let’s get very fundamental here and go back to the invention of the alphabet to understand what McLuhan is talking about and why it is important.

    “The Greek myth about the alphabet was that Cadmus, reputedly the king who introduced the phonetic letters into Greece, sowed dragoon’s teeth, and they sprang up armed men. Like any other myth, this one capsulates a prolonged process into a flashing insight. The alphabet meant power and authority and control of military structures at a distance. When combined with papyrus, the alphabet spelled the end of the stationary temple bureaucracies and the priestly monopolies of knowledge and power.”

    “The phonetic alphabet is a unique technology…This stark division and parallelism between a visual and an auditory world was both crude and ruthless, culturally speaking. The phonetically written sacrifices worlds of meaning and perception that were secured by forms like the hieroglyphs and the Chinese ideogram. These culturally richer forms of writing, however, offered men no means of sudden transfer from the magically discontinuous and traditional world of the tribal word into the cool and uniform visual medium.”

    “All of these forms [pictographic and hieroglyphic] give pictorial expression to oral meanings. As such, they approximate the animated cartoon and are extremely unwieldy, requiring many signs for the infinity of data operations of social action. In contrast, the phonetic alphabet, by a few letters only, was able to encompass all languages.”

    “She felt there was no way out,” Ms. Meier said.

    Consider the invention of the printing press and the introduction of books to the society. A book communicates a message. Many books communicate many messages. ‘The book’ communicates the same message to everyone who comes into contact with the book. The book transmits the same message to everyone while many books transmit many different messages to many different people.

    Evolution moves very slowly. We adapt to our environment very slowly. We survive because we do adapt. When we change more quickly than we can adapt we face problems that we have not had the time to make the kind of adjustments necessary.

    The habits we acquire determine our state of mind. Our changing habits are part of this process of adaptation to our environment. Do not think of environment as being just the quality of our air or water but it is a broad term signifying the world we live in.

    So we have changed very dramatically our habits that were part of us when we knew little and understood much. I am speaking relatively here. What happens to us as a result of this dramatic change? I do not know but I only point to the fact as worth consideration.

    Examine how we sit and watch TV for several hours everyday. When we watch TV we are constantly being transported perceptively from one scene to another. Think for a minute if instead of sitting and watching TV we were physically escorted done a hallway with many doors. Then we open a door and are physically placed into this world we see on TV. Our reaction would be very different. In other words we are creatures prepared for a certain world that no longer exists. This is the definition of a forthcoming extinction if we think about the meaning of evolution.

    “Mom, they’re being horrible!” Megan said, “sobbing into the phone when her mother called. After an hour, Megan ran into her bedroom and hanged herself with a belt.”

    Has our technology become our master? I think so.

    This story about Megan by Christopher Maag, “When the Bullies Turned Faceless” was published in the December 17 edition of the NYTimes.



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    I think a more interesting analysis might take the point of view that Megan (from what you say) was so socially sensitive that she was unable to ignore words on a site she didn't have to visit. Why is it that so many people have this addiction to company and the consequent strong reaction to others' opinions?

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    I suspect that technology is like a virus. We must become a good deal more sophisticated intellectually in order to control it rather than having it control us as it now does. We are very good at the kind of reasoning demanded by technology but very inadequate with reasoning required to learn to live together.

    Our habits determine our fate to a large extent. Our habits, just like the habits of an athlete will determine success. Our habits prepare us for the now. Now is no time to change habits—habits control what we can or cannot do at the moment action is required. This includes especially our habits of mind. If we do not form an honest mind we will not behave honestly intellectually when the time requires it. This is what CT (Critical Thinking) is partially about. By studying CT we are creating the proper set of intellectual habits that we will guide us in the future.
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    It's just a simple case of ''what happened to good ole natural selection''. These are cases of weak minded individuals incapable of a higher level of understanding and to fall victim to such things like bullying just shows that you will not survive in society and indeed life.
    The world is full of too many weak minded fools and idiots in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    The world is full of too many weak minded fools and idiots in my opinion.
    Almost everyone would agree with this. The disagreements emerge over who goes into this unpopular category.

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    Well said Ophiolite. I dare to be put in the ''minisculely above average'' group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    The world is full of too many weak minded fools and idiots in my opinion.
    Almost everyone would agree with this. The disagreements emerge over who goes into this unpopular category.

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    Really you people don't seem to have a clue!

    Well done and good luck to you Barry for being so super duper and oh so intellectually strong minded at such a tender age!

    Young people are vulnerable to peer opinions and bullying whilst they are exploring the idea of themselves and developing an identity.

    This stage is fragile. As a person matures and forms a stronger identity they discover they don't need others opinions to feel authentic.

    It's people with your attitudes and mentality that encourage cyber bullying.

    It's very common for people like you to aggrandize themselves at the expense of others and generalize with sweeping statements that everyone else is weak or backward bar yourself. This is a symptom of low opinion of your very super duper self.

    Please learn to be more compassionate with your self as well as others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    The world is full of too many weak minded fools and idiots in my opinion.
    Almost everyone would agree with this. The disagreements emerge over who goes into this unpopular category.

    Volunteers are always welcome. 8)
    Really you people don't seem to have a clue!
    Minxy, I am perplexed. Does the problem lie with my 'writing between the lines' ability, or with your 'reading between the lines' ability.

    My response to Barry - between the lines - read, "Barry, you may think you are the coolest thing on the planet and look down on those who lack your confidence, good looks and subscription to Maxim, but from where I sit you are coming across as an arrogant, anti-social pipsqueak. Don't takt that the wrong way, but please re-examine your thoughts on this issue."

    I just thought my gentle phrasing was more appropriate and more likely to generate a positive response. Perhaps not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry Flannery
    The world is full of too many weak minded fools and idiots in my opinion.
    Almost everyone would agree with this. The disagreements emerge over who goes into this unpopular category.

    Volunteers are always welcome. 8)
    Really you people don't seem to have a clue!
    Minxy, I am perplexed. Does the problem lie with my 'writing between the lines' ability, or with your 'reading between the lines' ability.

    My response to Barry - between the lines - read, "Barry, you may think you are the coolest thing on the planet and look down on those who lack your confidence, good looks and subscription to Maxim, but from where I sit you are coming across as an arrogant, anti-social pipsqueak. Don't takt that the wrong way, but please re-examine your thoughts on this issue."

    I just thought my gentle phrasing was more appropriate and more likely to generate a positive response. Perhaps not.
    I thought she was talking to Barry, and making a similar point to the one I tried to make to coberst at the start: the story is about the tragedy of someone whose self-image was, tragically, so bound up with the opinions of others that she killed herself.

    The compliments to Barry were, perhaps, then meant ironically. No?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    I thought she was talking to Barry, and making a similar point to the one I tried to make to coberst at the start: the story is about the tragedy of someone whose self-image was, tragically, so bound up with the opinions of others that she killed herself.

    The compliments to Barry were, perhaps, then meant ironically. No?
    She did say 'you people', so I took the plural to include me.

    I really must hone my irony - I wasn't complimenting Barry I was tryin, gently, to show him that almost everyone puts a portion (sometimes a large portion) of humanity into boxes labelled 'stupid' 'dull' 'ignorant' 'undesirable'. It's what enabled the nazis to run death camps. But all of us will find ourselves in one of those boxes labelled by some individual or group.

    I was further suggesting that by the insensitivity of Barry's views he had volunteered to place himself in a box labelled "Self centred, callous bastard".

    Should I be more direct? It's just so ....rude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    I thought she was talking to Barry, and making a similar point to the one I tried to make to coberst at the start: the story is about the tragedy of someone whose self-image was, tragically, so bound up with the opinions of others that she killed herself.

    The compliments to Barry were, perhaps, then meant ironically. No?
    She did say 'you people', so I took the plural to include me.

    I really must hone my irony - I wasn't complimenting Barry I was tryin, gently, to show him that almost everyone puts a portion (sometimes a large portion) of humanity into boxes labelled 'stupid' 'dull' 'ignorant' 'undesirable'. It's what enabled the nazis to run death camps. But all of us will find ourselves in one of those boxes labelled by some individual or group.

    I was further suggesting that by the insensitivity of Barry's views he had volunteered to place himself in a box labelled "Self centred, callous bastard".

    Should I be more direct? It's just so ....rude.
    We all have the potential to heal the world, or destroy it. The only thing that puts us either way is each other. So you tell me how to treat someone and which way that a person will go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    I thought she was talking to Barry, and making a similar point to the one I tried to make to coberst at the start: the story is about the tragedy of someone whose self-image was, tragically, so bound up with the opinions of others that she killed herself.

    The compliments to Barry were, perhaps, then meant ironically. No?
    She did say 'you people', so I took the plural to include me.

    I really must hone my irony - I wasn't complimenting Barry I was tryin, gently, to show him that almost everyone puts a portion (sometimes a large portion) of humanity into boxes labelled 'stupid' 'dull' 'ignorant' 'undesirable'. It's what enabled the nazis to run death camps. But all of us will find ourselves in one of those boxes labelled by some individual or group.

    I was further suggesting that by the insensitivity of Barry's views he had volunteered to place himself in a box labelled "Self centred, callous bastard".

    Should I be more direct? It's just so ....rude.
    I got that. Fear not: you are not destined to be misunderstood by everybody, all the time - but some of the people, some of the time? That's just the way that perfectly elastic Catholic cookie bounces in the crumbly woods....
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    I think Minxy has demonstrated herself perfectly capable of noticing subtleties and euphemisms, she merely does not know you well enough yet to know you are a utilizer of such tactics. In relation to Barry’s post, he will hopefully learn that a society entirely consisting of, allegedly, his caliber members is neither possible, nor desirable. A wide variety of personality types are necessary for a successful society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Volunteers are always welcome. 8)
    sorry - did anyone call for volunteers ?

    i don't understand electricity, women and creationists (not necessarily in that order)
    what 'stupid' box does that place me in ?
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    And here for all of you...

    Intelligence is a relative commodity, IF you are intelligent it is only because you are surrounded by people you think of as dull or stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    IF you are intelligent it is only because you are surrounded by people you think of as dull or stupid.
    That's why we all come here. :?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by sunshinewarrio
    I thought she was talking to Barry, and making a similar point to the one I tried to make to coberst at the start: the story is about the tragedy of someone whose self-image was, tragically, so bound up with the opinions of others that she killed herself.

    The compliments to Barry were, perhaps, then meant ironically. No?
    She did say 'you people', so I took the plural to include me.

    I really must hone my irony - I wasn't complimenting Barry I was tryin, gently, to show him that almost everyone puts a portion (sometimes a large portion) of humanity into boxes labelled 'stupid' 'dull' 'ignorant' 'undesirable'. It's what enabled the nazis to run death camps. But all of us will find ourselves in one of those boxes labelled by some individual or group.

    I was further suggesting that by the insensitivity of Barry's views he had volunteered to place himself in a box labelled "Self centred, callous bastard".

    Should I be more direct? It's just so ....rude.
    I got that. Fear not: you are not destined to be misunderstood by everybody, all the time - but some of the people, some of the time? That's just the way that perfectly elastic Catholic cookie bounces in the crumbly woods....
    Gawd, I wish you would stop tying yourselves up in the most simplest of things and turn them into such a tangled complicated mess you totally go way off target and miss the point! No wonder men find women so complicated

    Ophiolite, I don’t think I would have described it as irony, more like an inability to be clear and precise. Yes you should be more direct. It’s not rude to be honest. Barry needs his ear clipping for such an attitude before it grows up into a full blown political party, or worse still, religion!

    Too many people seem to have this opinion that the rest of the world are stupid, ignorant, fools bar them. By my calculations that means there shouldn’t be any intelligent wise or clever people in the world at all, (apart from us of course.) And that must mean humanity is doomed!

    The whole purpose of this attitude is an attempt to separate and elevate our selves apart from the ‘rabble’ and into some kind of superiority complex where nothing real ever gets achieved because it’s some other stupid idiots fault.
    Real life is lived when both feet are firmly on the ground and not from some little sand bagged cloistered niche in our brains from where we can fire our missiles at the rest of the bad bastard world.

    I hope that when Barry gets a bit older will become a bit wiser and a bit more understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    And here for all of you...

    Intelligence is a relative commodity, IF you are intelligent it is only because you are surrounded by people you think of as dull or stupid.
    Uh oh, bad news for me then .
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    People who seem uninteligent can sometimes be wiser.

    I never look down on people because they are "unintelligent". my mother scored an IQ test of 82... I learned alot from her and she is such a kind person. Her attitude is what set her apart. She was not immotionaly ignorant. My dad scored a 132, not AMAZING but good. I scored a 146. I feel that he is smarter than I am.

    If you look down on anyone, it should be because they are arrogent dip$#!?$

    The world is full of to many arrogent, ignorant people. (ignorant not being knowlage but being accepting of others)
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    miller, are you infering that you're intelligent!?!?



    just kidding
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    Now you are going to start yet ANOTHER thread about what intelligence is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Now you are going to start yet ANOTHER thread about what intelligence is!
    Yeaaa its kinda like a big circle. How many times we gone around now guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaderwolf
    People who seem uninteligent can sometimes be wiser.

    I never look down on people because they are "unintelligent". my mother scored an IQ test of 82... I learned alot from her and she is such a kind person. Her attitude is what set her apart. She was not immotionaly ignorant. My dad scored a 132, not AMAZING but good. I scored a 146. I feel that he is smarter than I am.

    If you look down on anyone, it should be because they are arrogent dip$#!?$

    The world is full of to many arrogent, ignorant people. (ignorant not being knowlage but being accepting of others)
    There are sooo many intelligent people on this planet, that's why it's in such tip top condition and everybody is amazingly happy and peaceful!

    There are too many people who declare themselves as intelligent yet have too little wisdom compassion or understanding.

    B*ll**ks to all those who think they are intelligent because simply by having the time to think they are they, probably are not!

    Get out there and do something useful in the world.....pleeease!
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    There are sooo many intelligent people on this planet, that's why it's in such tip top condition and everybody is amazingly happy and peaceful! There are too many people who declare themselves as intelligent yet have too little wisdom compassion or understanding. B*ll**ks to all those who think they are intelligent because simply by having the time to think they are they, probably are not!
    Get out there and do something useful in the world.....pleeease!
    I agree. Intelligence does not necessarily equal understanding. Certain degrees of understanding does however require intelligence of different kinds, which people that label themselves as “intelligent” do not often really possess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Gawd, I wish you would stop tying yourselves up in the most simplest of things and turn them into such a tangled complicated mess you totally go way off target and miss the point!
    The point is to go off target and turn things into a mess. It is more fun that way. We won't actually save the world on this forum, you know.
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    Ophiolite, I don’t think I would have described it as irony, more like an inability to be clear and precise. Yes you should be more direct. It’s not rude to be honest. Barry needs.
    It wan't actuaally irony, but sarcasm. Since the only skill I have is being clear and precise you will appreciate that your comment has wounded me deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Gawd, I wish you would stop tying yourselves up in the most simplest of things and turn them into such a tangled complicated mess you totally go way off target and miss the point!
    The point is to go off target and turn things into a mess. It is more fun that way. We won't actually save the world on this forum, you know.
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    Ophiolite, I don’t think I would have described it as irony, more like an inability to be clear and precise. Yes you should be more direct. It’s not rude to be honest. Barry needs.
    It wan't actuaally irony, but sarcasm. Since the only skill I have is being clear and precise you will appreciate that your comment has wounded me deeply.
    I think Ophiolite that sarcasm is although said to be the lowest form of wit yet it is the glue that binds our intelligence together and can inflate your ego. What better replacement could you wish for? :-D
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    I have just got around to finally reading the original post, where it seems little Megan topped herself because she had never been taught the old 'sticks and stones' lesson we all learn at about age three.

    Well there is at least one positive outcome and that is to paraphrase an old Elvis saying in modern genetic terms...

    Megan has left the pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I think Ophiolite that sarcasm is although said to be the lowest form of wit
    Nevertheless that means it is a form of wit and that is good enough for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    I think Ophiolite that sarcasm is although said to be the lowest form of wit
    Nevertheless that means it is a form of wit and that is good enough for me.
    I think I'll change my philosiphy to that as well. 8).
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    Ophiolite – who is trying to save the world? The world can save itself! I am not responsible for other people’s actions or the way they react. An existential statement, but I think that is exactly the point here.

    And so to stop tangling the issue with sore ego’s or over worked intellects…

    We can either be influenced by others and let them dictate how we behave or think by their opinions or we can learn to make our own opinions and take responsibility for our own choices. This can only be done when we realize that we actually do have choices.
    Some people may have the good fortune to be aware of this at an early age thanks to beneficial input from those around them, or they can be misled into being passively dominated.
    A young child being dominated and having a (hopefully responsible) adult to make certain choices for them is often essential. A good parent/teacher will wean a child into leaning about choice and help to be able to make it themselves. Yet not everyone makes a good parent or teacher in this respect.
    The stage in between this weaning and a young person finding their footing and way in the world is precarious. Why? Because it can be a very scary business, for some, to take these independent steps. To quote from Adam Morton’s, Philosophy in Practice, Chapter 4, p114, about making these choices,

    ‘Both Heidegger and Satre stress the difficulties of such decisions, their anguished quality. You make these choices all by yourself, in a terrifying solitude.’

    When youngsters have the urge to step away from their parents ideals and ideas about them on the path to independence they naturally look to their peers to reform a new identity. Ideally we seek acceptance, but it can also be a frighteningly distressing time, especially if you are not accepted and you have a large group bullying you. Children can be so nasty, but some adults aren’t much better.

    But this is also an essential if horrible and painful part to growing up. Through this episode young adults are forced to step away from the bullying rabble and recognize their opinions as false, and then hopefully have the courage to formulate their own opinions and be brave enough to make their own choices. Which ultimately will give them the greater freedom for the rest of their lives?

    It is a shame though that this stage can be so nasty for some, to such an extent that youngsters suffer mental harm or that they feel life is no longer worth living.

    It’s the nastiness and especially the yobbish tribe mentality that prevails that needs sorting out not the supposed ‘weakness’ of Megan who’s only misgivings is youth.

    At least give her the benefit of inexperience. Perhaps that might lead you to the start of being compassionate instead of yelling in a yobbish manner
    ‘Hey Megan wassa matter can’t yer take it! Stop being so weak minded!’

    And as for ‘natural selection’ Barry, this statement beggers belief! And so does the statement by Megabrain about ‘sticks and stones’ at three!
    This attitude is exactly of that yobby brutal tribal vein of which I speak, promoting aggressive responses to the supposed weaker members of our species and a total lack of any understanding. It’s cold and callous! Are we civilized people sharing the planet or do we wish to go back to being ignorant beasts kicking the shit out of each other over who gets the biggest bone?
    What are you afraid of Barry? Possibly afraid you might recognize yourself in others?

    And apologies to Ophelia for wounding you deeply, but I’m sure you will recover. After all if you can’t take people disagreeing with what you say then don’t entertain the debate. (however old or young you are)
    And I’m sorry but I still cannot see any irony or wit or sarcasm in the short statement of yours at all

    ‘Almost everyone would agree with this. The disagreements emerge over who goes into this unpopular category.’

    But then I guess forums can be a little like text messages, difficult to see someone’s tongue in their cheek, and so it’s probably a good idea to be clearer, even for wit’s sake, so at least we can all get the joke.

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    Sorry for not replying sooner before this spiralled out of control, I did not know the thread was still continuing!

    Firstly I would just like to clarify that I am a cold callous bastard and can live with that. I will also state for the record that I am inconsiderate of other people based on what I have observed. It is most likely when I become wiser my views will change but at this point it time I view many people as stupid unless they can prove not to be. For example everyone on this forum, I would perceive as being smarter than myself becuase you have proven it by offering intelligent debate.

    I am not ashamed of my beliefs but the one thing I do disagree with is that I am saying that I am better than everyone else. I am not because I cannot possibly be better than everyone else. In my mind it is a good ideal to strive to be the best but that is it.

    Finally, yes I am arrogant, even I have noticed this develop but I find it beneficial to my learning and helps me understand much more concepts and learn much faster.

    I would just like to thank you all for taking the time to discuss someone as trivial as myself, it has been very enlightening for me.

    Thank you all who participated!

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    I forgot to add that I most certainly will perceive anyone who either contemplates or does take their own life as being the absolute maximum of stupidity. Hence why I my arrogance was so prevalent in this thread.

    If someone is going to end their already incredibly short lives over a matter so trivial and tiny in proportion to ''bigger picture'' then in my eyes, yes, you are an idiot...

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    suicide isn't dumb. It's cowardice.
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    NOt always, if you knew you were going to die of an horrific incurable dibilitating disease which was going to slowly and painfully kill you, might not a quick exit be more desirable?

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    suicide isn't dumb. It's cowardice.
    That is an extremely shallow and ignorant statement. Have you ever been in a situation anything like described by some posters here? Think!
    Anyway, I want to die in a cool way. Imagine this conversation: “O, have you heard? KALSTER has died.” “What, no! How did it happen?” “He was eaten by a dinosaur!” If I had days to live, I think I would choose my own death, on my own terms. I’d jump out of an airplane or something.
    Barring terminal illness, we may know that situations might change for the better for the suicidal, but the suicidal person obviously does not see it that way. They are almost always suffering from a chemical imbalance that makes it virtually impossible for them to be able to consider an alternative to the drastic.
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    i'm less dramatic if i have to chose my way of exiting this world - i'd rather just go to sleep and never wake up

    no drama, no fuss, just the ticker that stops
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    I choose the airplane, because once I step over the edge there is no turning back. Then I have a little time left to finally contemplate my life, as well as marvel at the beauty of this world for the last time until I slam into the ocean. Then I can serve my final purpose as a few creatures' meal.
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    I think the point here is not the act but the reasons why?

    Suicide is justifiable at certain times just as war is. It depends on the situation.

    If a youngster feels there is no other choice other than to end her life i think that is very sad.

    It's sad that she obviously didn't have anyone she could feel she could turn to.

    And it's even more sadder that she felt driven to it by a gang of cruel thugs.

    Pushing someone into the abyss of despair is no different than physically pushing them over a precipice.
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    I'm happy to see that a good number of you understand that youth is fragile, that the feelings of inadequacy that may drive one to suicide are the same feelings that cause others to inflict harm upon said individuals, and that the best way of living life is to be considerate of others, both in how you act toward them and in how you interpret their actions toward you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Ophiolite – who is trying to save the world? The world can save itself! I am not responsible for other people’s actions or the way they react.
    An interesting perspective. Since I can, knowingly, influence and in some cases direct people's actions I would have thought that I do have a degree of responsibility for their actions, for in truth they are reactions. Later you argue, it seems, for compassion, yet compassion and responsibility are sisters; twin sisters at that; indeed conjoined twins. I think your ruthless surgery may prove fatal to both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    And apologies to Ophelia for wounding you deeply, but I’m sure you will recover. After all if you can’t take people disagreeing with what you say then don’t entertain the debate. (however old or young you are)
    You have your irony detector set on low, apparently. Prior to editing my remark read, more or less, "If I valued your opinion I would be deeply wounded." Since I don't not value your opinion I decided to amend that and convert the sarcasm to irony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    And I’m sorry but I still cannot see any irony or wit or sarcasm in the short statement of yours at all
    Perhaps a crash course in remedial wit appreciation at a local community college may help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Ophiolite – who is trying to save the world? The world can save itself! I am not responsible for other people’s actions or the way they react.
    An interesting perspective. Since I can, knowingly, influence and in some cases direct people's actions I would have thought that I do have a degree of responsibility for their actions, for in truth they are reactions. Later you argue, it seems, for compassion, yet compassion and responsibility are sisters; twin sisters at that; indeed conjoined twins. I think your ruthless surgery may prove fatal to both.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    And apologies to Ophelia for wounding you deeply, but I’m sure you will recover. After all if you can’t take people disagreeing with what you say then don’t entertain the debate. (however old or young you are)
    You have your irony detector set on low, apparently. Prior to editing my remark read, more or less, "If I valued your opinion I would be deeply wounded." Since I don't not value your opinion I decided to amend that and convert the sarcasm to irony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    And I’m sorry but I still cannot see any irony or wit or sarcasm in the short statement of yours at all
    Perhaps a crash course in remedial wit appreciation at a local community college may help.
    I didn't really come on this forum to waste my time argueing with the sort of people who behave like carrion and pick over old threads when there isn't any meat left!

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    It's Human nature to separate others into groups, and also to single out the abnormal one. I know what it's like to be singled because it happen to me all the time because I have a hearing loss and therefore I can mistake simple words in noisy environments like math with Matt. It's hard to be alone but you eventually accept it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    I didn't really come on this forum to waste my time argueing with the sort of people who behave like carrion and pick over old threads when there isn't any meat left!
    oh for the sweet irony of this statement : anyone who posts on a forum has, by definition, time to spare outside life's essential activities; also anyone who thinks posting on a forum is going to change the world is deluded

    hence posting on any forum is by definition "time wasting" - it merely may imbue you with a feeling of self-importance
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    I didn't really come on this forum to waste my time argueing with the sort of people who behave like carrion and pick over old threads when there isn't any meat left!
    oh for the sweet irony of this statement : anyone who posts on a forum has, by definition, time to spare outside life's essential activities; also anyone who thinks posting on a forum is going to change the world is deluded

    hence posting on any forum is by definition "time wasting" - it merely may imbue you with a feeling of self-importance
    People become involved in forums for many reasons - boredom, loneliness, self-importance.

    And some become involved in discussions to test out their ideas, to explore and debate with others with the aim of trying to learn and understand more.

    It can be rather like philosophising, contemplating and working things out, but with the advantage of being able to hear and take into account other peoples thoughts on the subject.

    It can also be fun, hence some of the jokes and witticism etc here. some people seem to have a great sense of humour.

    It can also be funny, especially when some people take themselves so seriously (obviously suffering from an over-inflated sense of importance that's ready to pop!) that they get so uptight about the slightest implications and words! (The carrion who pick over threads)

    That's a shame you think it is wasting time MarnixR. You must have alot of time to 'waste' considering you are actively involved in several.

    As for 'changing the world' ??? What a bizarre statement.

    It's only ever possible to change your own world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    As for 'changing the world' ??? What a bizarre statement.

    It's only ever possible to change your own world.
    Clearly you have never dropped a thermonuclear device on a Japanese city.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    As for 'changing the world' ??? What a bizarre statement.

    It's only ever possible to change your own world.
    Clearly you have never dropped a thermonuclear device on a Japanese city.

    And nor would i want to.

    Only a man could do that.
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    Thats rather sexist don't you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Thats rather sexist don't you agree?
    Yes, but it's true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    You must have alot of time to 'waste' considering you are actively involved in several.
    that too, especially in my spare time (the extent of which varies)
    but above all, i love to troll
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    As for 'changing the world' ??? What a bizarre statement.
    It's only ever possible to change your own world.
    Clearly you have never dropped a thermonuclear device on a Japanese city.
    And nor would i want to.
    Only a man could do that.
    Nor do you seem able to read subtext. I thought the female brain was supposed to be good at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Minxy
    As for 'changing the world' ??? What a bizarre statement.
    It's only ever possible to change your own world.
    Clearly you have never dropped a thermonuclear device on a Japanese city.
    And nor would i want to.
    Only a man could do that.
    Nor do you seem able to read subtext. I thought the female brain was supposed to be good at that.

    Oh Ophiolite isn't it about time you got a life?
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    Suicide is cowardice? Really? What about mistaken beliefs causing the young to choose suicide because it's been drummed into them that Heaven and the Hereafter exist? If the young and thus emotionally vulnerable has a close friend and that person dies, is it cowardice to commit suicide, if they truly believe they will be back with their friend soon?

    A mother loses her only child and has strong beliefs in Heaven, etc. and believes her child needs her there, is it cowardice for the mother to commit suicide – or an indication of true love?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches1
    Suicide is cowardice? Really? What about mistaken beliefs causing the young to choose suicide because it's been drummed into them that Heaven and the Hereafter exist? If the young and thus emotionally vulnerable has a close friend and that person dies, is it cowardice to commit suicide, if they truly believe they will be back with their friend soon?

    A mother loses her only child and has strong beliefs in Heaven, etc. and believes her child needs her there, is it cowardice for the mother to commit suicide – or an indication of true love?
    That's true.

    A sad story of a friend of mine. He committed suicide, exhaust pipes in the car. He hated his life because he thought he was useless and ugly, no matter how many people told him he wasn't.
    He finally got a date with a girl he liked but she didn't turn up, so it sent him over the edge.
    Prior to that he kept asking people if they believed in reincarnation. So he obviously was hoping he'd come back as something better.
    He was hanging around with Goths at the time who were doing Oijja boards and other such spooky stuff!
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    if your being bullyed online and you dont like it...ZOMG is it possable to leave the chatroom??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!
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    What does ZOMG stand for?
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    zOMG is a varient of the all-too-popular acronym "OMG", meaning "Oh My God".

    The "z" was originally a mistake while attempting to hit the shift key with the left hand, and type "OMG"

    Also used in all-caps, 'ZOMG' is generally used in a sarcastic manner, more often than not a humiliating fasion. It is also used as a device for stating the obvious.
    lol...
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    Quote Originally Posted by numb3rs
    zOMG is a varient of the all-too-popular acronym "OMG", meaning "Oh My God".

    The "z" was originally a mistake while attempting to hit the shift key with the left hand, and type "OMG"

    Also used in all-caps, 'ZOMG' is generally used in a sarcastic manner, more often than not a humiliating fasion. It is also used as a device for stating the obvious.
    lol...
    OH...HA....ILMAOROAPM.. ...HIC!
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    u wnt t ue tyeing trms wt me?
    lol lets not spamm!
    BACK TO THE SUBJECT!
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