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  1. #1 The pursuit of happiness 
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    What is the reason behind this endeavour? Is one without commodities that make life better and that person is unhappy due to that, as a result is motivated by such a state that one would attempt to make life happy? Or would one find content in what one has and simply find happiness with what they have but others do not. Is happiness found through wealth and fortune, or through love? This is an age old question, one which this response has always come forward:

    "Money doesn't bring you happiness"
    But does it? Would you rather be rich and unhappy or poor and unhappy?. What motivates us towards happiness?


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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    But does it? Would you rather be rich and unhappy or poor and unhappy?. What motivates us towards happiness?
    If it's between rich and unhappy, and poor and unhappy, I'll take rich and unhappy.


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    I would too 8).
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    The choice is supposed to be between "rich, but unhappy" and "poor, but happy" though.
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    For me, being rich would bring happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    For me, being rich would bring happiness.
    I'm inclined to agree. Whoever said money can't buy happiness, has never seen a Porsche, a mansion or Hugh Heffner's girlfriends.
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    lol but, true so very very true, except a ferrari and a lamborgini would be nice to you know. And the dream car "Nissan Skyline GTR - 33"

    If I had all of that ther wouldn't be a thing that could make me unhappy. except someone very close to me dieing.
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    First, I would buy a Black Lotus Espirit V8, an NSX, a killer computer, a huge house far from anything, and a Scandinavian wife. Then I would tour the world for a few years. Oh, and go into space!
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    I wouldn't recommend a Scandinavian wife, they're to nagy, stubborne, crazy and they just don't do womens work anymore. Sad actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    The choice is supposed to be between "rich, but unhappy" and "poor, but happy" though.
    what's wrong with being rich and happy ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    what's wrong with being rich and happy ?
    Nothing. But the "age old question" svwillmer is referring to is "rich, but unhappy or poor, but happy". Don't look at me. I don't get to make up age old questions. Though sometimes, I make up new questions and pawn them off as age old questions.
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    It is funny this question was brought up as I have been pondering it for a few months now. It has to do with one of the few reasons I disagree with Buddhism (or maybe just the modern views of Buddhism).

    I think the founders of the US were geniuses when they added that line.

    "All men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these rights are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

    In my opinion it is a mere method of control. Happiness is an illusion. Nothing gives happiness and nothing takes it away. People see powerful technology and are taught that it is awesome and thus makes them happy. There mistake is not in thinking it is awesome but in believing in happiness. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in sadness either. I believe in being content and efficient. You believe beer makes you happy, you believe cars make you happy, you believe drugs make you happy, you believe sex makes you happy, you believe food makes you happy.

    "Therefore in governing the people, the sage weakens their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their will but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act." -Tao Te Ching

    Happiness is an illusion that the sage has used to fill your bellies.
    The sage is a sneaky one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB
    It is funny this question was brought up as I have been pondering it for a few months now. It has to do with one of the few reasons I disagree with Buddhism (or maybe just the modern views of Buddhism).

    I think the founders of the US were geniuses when they added that line.

    "All men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, and that among these rights are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."

    In my opinion it is a mere method of control. Happiness is an illusion. Nothing gives happiness and nothing takes it away. People see powerful technology and are taught that it is awesome and thus makes them happy. There mistake is not in thinking it is awesome but in believing in happiness. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in sadness either. I believe in being content and efficient. You believe beer makes you happy, you believe cars make you happy, you believe drugs make you happy, you believe sex makes you happy, you believe food makes you happy.

    "Therefore in governing the people, the sage weakens their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their will but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act." -Tao Te Ching

    Happiness is an illusion that the sage has used to fill your bellies.
    The sage is a sneaky one.
    But I'd like really nice things. The sage can kiss my ass. :-D
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    DaBOB, i think you're mistaken. Buddhism does not teach that you shouldn't have nice things and enjoy having them. It teaches that you shouldn't be attached to those things. All things are born, all things must die etc. Your fancy car's going to break down or get stolen. That's part of life...
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    ... And when you die, your car doesn't go with you. So don't get attached to having it. Only buddhist monks are required to give up their earthly possessions and there are actually several reasons for that. Also, by modern buddhism i assume you refer to zen, rather than - say - theravada?
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    Zen is a personal philosophy. Doctrine is rejected if you disagree with it. Zen buddhists are taught to consider their teachers' words, but not to accept what they're taught. Personal experience is paramount. Exactly why it's so popular in the west. It's perfectly ok to reject doctrine which no longer applies to modern society
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    In my opinion it is a mere method of control. Happiness is an illusion. Nothing gives happiness and nothing takes it away. People see powerful technology and are taught that it is awesome and thus makes them happy. There mistake is not in thinking it is awesome but in believing in happiness. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in sadness either. I believe in being content and efficient. You believe beer makes you happy, you believe cars make you happy, you believe drugs make you happy, you believe sex makes you happy, you believe food makes you happy.
    Those are all superficial things. With a lot of money, along with the stuff already mentioned, I would build a recording studio in my new house. Buy a great set of instruments and hire myself a music teacher. I want to be able to play guitar and drums. I have both of those, but cheap, inferior ones. Going into space would make my life, I think. I’d buy a huge motorized telescope with CCD, connected to my huge computer. The world tour of a few years would also be one huge fantastic adventure.
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    In my opinion it is a mere method of control. Happiness is an illusion. Nothing gives happiness and nothing takes it away. People see powerful technology and are taught that it is awesome and thus makes them happy. There mistake is not in thinking it is awesome but in believing in happiness. Now don't get me wrong, I don't believe in sadness either. I believe in being content and efficient. You believe beer makes you happy, you believe cars make you happy, you believe drugs make you happy, you believe sex makes you happy, you believe food makes you happy.
    Those are all superficial things. With a lot of money, along with the stuff already mentioned, I would build a recording studio in my new house. Buy a great set of instruments and hire myself a music teacher. I want to be able to play guitar and drums. I have both of those, but cheap, inferior ones. Going into space would make my life, I think. I’d buy a huge motorized telescope with CCD, connected to my huge computer. The world tour of a few years would also be one huge fantastic adventure.
    Disclaimer: I do not declare myself to be an expert on ANY subject. If I state something as fact that is obviously wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me. I welcome such corrections in an attempt to be as truthful and accurate as possible.

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    Jeeze... the mods have gotten lazy haven't they. If I had made three posts in a row (as opposed to all in one) a year ago they would have deleted them. :P
    You may want to consider editing previous posts, you can make it in a different color or something so people notice. Anyways...

    Thanks for that interesting reply TvEye.

    To be honest I don't know much about the different sects of Buddhism. I just know that lots of hippies these days love Buddhism. The great paradox however, being when one attempts to reach nirvana they are, in doing so, creating an attachment. It seems to me that many people these days (and maybe in the past as well) chose Buddhism to enhance their feelings of individuality, thus boosting their ego; which, as I understand it, is quite the opposite of what Buddhism is about. In fact, it seems to me that adopting the classification of Buddhism is anti-Buddhist.

    Now back to happiness. I believe these days many people try to find happiness in their faiths. For example: a person might become Buddhist when searching for happiness. I don't know enough to know what the original teachings would say but, I would think that enlightenment has nothing to do with happiness. However, I will not argue that being content and free from attachment may have the side effect of the feeling we know as happiness. It is the search, or pursuit, of happiness that I disagree with.

    For example, I appear happy to others and if they ask how I am doing I say "I'm good" but, my most constant emotional state is not that of happiness but that of focus. If that is not a valid emotional state than I would say the best way to describe this state would be as happiness but not in the superficial sense that is most commonly used.

    Now I'm beginning to confuse myself. :?
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    Yes, i apologise for the multiple posts. I'm on a cell phone (character limit). I'll fix it tomorrow, when i have net access from my pc again.
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