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    Doesn't it strike you that the more intelligent you are that more and more do not understand you? I believe that is what makes people angry in relation to our intelligence. For instance were some of us on this forum don't understand something we get mad at each other for them not understanding, for instance some things in religion I understand yet both parties get mad. Is that because both parties mis understand each other and their intelligence is less than anothers? Or simple because it is a hot under the collar moment?

    Persoanlly I think the inability to grasp something and then claim that you know all about it and persist that you know a great deal about it really gets on folks nerves. Thats probably the problem with anger, stubborness to accept that one may know less than the other and thats what makes us angry?

    I know I've done it and so have quite a few of you. I'm aware that there are quite a lot of other factors, but personally I think that a lack of understanding breeds anger especially when either one won't listen, but maybe thats just who we are as humans and simply just the self proclaimed 'I'm more intelligent than you' means that I'm right prevails, or at least people think it does?

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    Some of the most intelligent people i know are about as angry as you can get. My father is extremely intelligent and - before he quit drinking - he had a tendency to get ratfaced and cause bar fights. I know a geneticist who plays rugby and does thai kickboxing as an outlet.


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    intelligent people are often intolerant of ignorance and they have a realistic worldview. The latter leaves folk wide open to depression and anger problems. Not to say all angry people are intelligent or vice versa. I just don't think they're related.
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    "Scholars hold in esteem knowledge, not acts"
    That is an old Chinese proverb. It means that they sit around all day thinking and not actually doing anything. Action is what matters I think.
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    You seem to have a tendency to think that anyone different from you must be on some lower level. 'Homosexuality is wrong'. Atheists had bad childhoods and they're angry as hell about it. Angry people have no intellect. Hold on. Does that mean you're saying atheists are unintelligent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    You seem to have a tendency to think that anyone different from you must be on some lower level. 'Homosexuality is wrong'. Atheists had bad childhoods and they're angry as hell about it. Angry people have no intellect. Hold on. Does that mean you're saying atheists are unintelligent?
    What? No? How did you make that assumption? The quote I made was tp show the relation between someone who knows a lot and doesn't actually do anything is more likely to gain the wrath of someone who does something with their intelligence rather than someone who does not. For instance someone on here would become angry at someone who crticises someone given their lack of knowledge, yet the person whom is at the other end of this may actually apply that knowledge to use even though it may not be up to scratch. The point is what one aclaims great knowledge, yet has no acts to that knowledge, the difference being that those who use it are more likely to be insulted by those who do not and are being told by that person what they are doing is wrong.

    Anyone who is different than you where intelligence is brought up your bound to think you are higher. Jeremy does, ToR does, I do, scifor does. Its all over this forum.

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    i'm not referring to any quote. I'm referring to the thread title, 'anger derives from lack of intelligence'. Follow my thinking... I view myself as intelligent. I'm not an angry person. Therefore all angry people must be unintelligent. You could jump to many other conclusions as to why people are angry...
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    ... But 'lack of intelligence' is convenient, since it allows you the opportunity to feel intellectually superior. You've already stated that you regard atheists as angry. This is a quick way to now relate anger to stupidity, thereby allowing you to feel superior once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye
    i'm not referring to any quote. I'm referring to the thread title, 'anger derives from lack of intelligence'. Follow my thinking... I view myself as intelligent. I'm not an angry person. Therefore all angry people must be unintelligent. You could jump to many other conclusions as to why people are angry...
    I didn't say that, how can all angry people be unintelligent based on the notion that anger can be derived FROM a lack of intelligence?

    This what I came up with comes from when you are in a situation where intelligence is the key:

    What I mean is, you are telling someone who thinks they know everything about something you know really well. You keep trying to explain it to them but they still remain egotistical and stubborn to hide that they lack intelligence in that one area, therefore you get angry because of their lack of intelligence in that subject, or do you get angry because it is circumstance. Thats what I mean. Thats what I wanted to debate.
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    so, wait - let me get this straight. person A and person B are talking about cats. Person A knows more about cats than person B, but person B thinks they know more than person A. As the discussion goes on person B realizes that in fact they know less than person A, but they don't want to admit it and blunder on. Person A then becomes angry. Is that the kind of situation you're talking about?

    If so, then the person A is justifiably angry because person B is basically lying to them. So the root of the problem is not person B's lack of knowledge, but the fact that person B is being proud and stubborn to the point of ridiculousness.

    To directly relate this to similar situations occurring in this forum, person A can only be truly justified in their anger if they know for a fact that person B is more or less lying about their state of knowledge, be it conscious or not. When it comes to complex topics, making this assessment accurately can be very difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paralith
    so, wait - let me get this straight. person A and person B are talking about cats. Person A knows more about cats than person B, but person B thinks they know more than person A. As the discussion goes on person B realizes that in fact they know less than person A, but they don't want to admit it and blunder on. Person A then becomes angry. Is that the kind of situation you're talking about?

    If so, then the person A is justifiably angry because person B is basically lying to them. So the root of the problem is not person B's lack of knowledge, but the fact that person B is being proud and stubborn to the point of ridiculousness.

    To directly relate this to similar situations occurring in this forum, person A can only be truly justified in their anger if they know for a fact that person B is more or less lying about their state of knowledge, be it conscious or not. When it comes to complex topics, making this assessment accurately can be very difficult.
    Thats exactly what I meant! :P. So the lack of intelligence situation is more likely to invoke frusrtation rather than anger.
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    Ah, sorry. I obviously misunderstood your initial post. On the topic at hand, then, why bother? If someone knows everything, they know everything. Can't talk to people like that. Why waste precious energy getting angry about it. Kick back, have a beer and laugh in your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Thats exactly what I meant! :P. So the lack of intelligence situation is more likely to invoke frusrtation rather than anger.
    You mean, will person B's lack of intelligence frustrate person A? Again, it's not the lack of intelligence that's the problem. It's person B's inability to admit their lack of intelligence. That's a different issue.
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    I get angry though when it's coming from a person in a position of power. Ie. South african government officials making statements like, 'hiv doesn't cause aids'. Those are the guys i want to argue with and - if possible - smack in the teeth.
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    South african government officials making statements like, 'hiv doesn't cause aids'. Those are the guys i want to argue with and - if possible - smack in the teeth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Doesn't it strike you that the more intelligent you are that more and more do not understand you?
    As many famous people have pointed out, and some humble ones (myself included), intelligence means nothing if you lack the ability to effectively convey your knowledge to others.

    Plainly put, if you talk at a level above your audience's head, you'll cause frustration, and they'll think yer being prudish and rude. Neither good for maintaining a pleasant atmosphere.


    As for the later, there are some people who believe that having more knowledge than others makes them better or more important than others. That disposition is, of course, total crap. Just because you know more about something than another person, doesn't mean you're a more valid or better person. It just means you know more about something than another person.
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    Here is my two cents:

    I am a determinist who believes that with the correct stimuli and conditions prepared in the correct order and at the correct times, any single person that ever existed can be directed to any conclusion. Since I believe this is true, in a situation where there are two people that are unable to come to the same conclusion, I believe the reason why this is is not because of any lack of knowledge on the subject, but a lack of knowledge about these two things:

    1. How ideas of the opposite person are connected, or the "map" of their conscience to use an analogy.

    2. How to direct the ideas of the other person (NOT YOUR IDEAS!) to a certain conclusion.

    I think most of the time people can't understand eachother because they try to think from their own perspective without gaining a knowledge of their audience, and then they get angry and blame it on the other's lack of intelegence. Well, it takes 2 people to have an argument, not one. If person A wants to see person B to a certain conclusion, person A must work with the tools of person B, not their own. It might help for person A to have a broad knowledge of the subject, but only to better understand the tools that person B might have in their belt.

    Also concerning anger, I've managed a restaraunt for about eight years now. I've worked with plenty of intellegent people, and one thing I've noticed about anger is that its not a lack of intellegence that causes anger, but the other way around. As the kitchen area gets more hectic tempers start flaring, even best friends will sometimes go balistic on eachother for the smallest things. This anger is caused by the tension that is created as the lunch rush or the dinner rush intensifies. When tempers flare poor decisions are made, and only experience making decisions in tense situations can counter this. However, having more scientifical knowledge or mathamatical knowledge of the universe isn't going to stop someone from being pissed off when they have an impossible amount of work to do in an impossibly short period of time, and their coworker suddenly drops a pot of boiling spaghetti sauce on their leg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by svwillmer
    Doesn't it strike you that the more intelligent you are that more and more do not understand you? I believe that is what makes people angry in relation to our intelligence. For instance were some of us on this forum don't understand something we get mad at each other for them not understanding, for instance some things in religion I understand yet both parties get mad. Is that because both parties mis understand each other and their intelligence is less than anothers? Or simple because it is a hot under the collar moment?

    Persoanlly I think the inability to grasp something and then claim that you know all about it and persist that you know a great deal about it really gets on folks nerves. Thats probably the problem with anger, stubborness to accept that one may know less than the other and thats what makes us angry?

    I know I've done it and so have quite a few of you. I'm aware that there are quite a lot of other factors, but personally I think that a lack of understanding breeds anger especially when either one won't listen, but maybe thats just who we are as humans and simply just the self proclaimed 'I'm more intelligent than you' means that I'm right prevails, or at least people think it does?

    Discuss away.
    It has nothing to do with anger at all whether you folk are defending your intelligence or something else its simply boils down to self importance , and self pity.

    Intelligence has nothing to do with , have you never heard of the fool archetype , the happy go lucky type who doesnt gives a toss but laughs at everything ?

    Its all relative and points at one things lack of " spirtual " intelligence not how you can reason things or ration them but how your level of self awareness.

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    Yeah; most of the people I deal with every day are utter morons. What are you going to do about it?

    I guess its understandable for them to be gentically dumb, but what pisses me off is when oppurtunity to gain intellignece presents itself and they do not take it. I hate people who like to be stupid and ignorant..and hence create idiotic arguments with more intelligent people just because of their own self made ignorance!

    If they would just admit it, then I would feel allot better. Maybe then I could at least teach them on topics that their ignorant towards.
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    To add to that, another thing that I find very annoying is when you completely win the argument by using all objective facts at the base- and they know that you won, yet they still do not want to admit that you are correct.

    Such as one time, I was talking to one of my intermediatly religious friends about how "god" is B.S. After 2 hours of hard cold reasoning, I, like with many others, completely eleiminated every counter argument that he had and proved to him that god does not exist, or to the least extent, not the "heaven" or "god" he think exits.

    He actually admited that I was right, yet still said that he believes in a god. Do you know why? FEAR, fear that he doesnt have a "big brother" watching over him, fear that there is nothing but this life and that he is the only persom who can determine his own complete fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
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    ''Anger, like Fear, releases a Stress hormone called Cortisol, the Long term effects of elevated cortisol levels are indeed detrimental to us, both physically and mentally'..
    In a sense people do get angry and frustrated because they lack the knowledge of this fact, and or how to achieve happiness in the situation.
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    I haven't had a legitimate bout of aggression in months. I may dislike an idea, though I never feel compelled to raise my voice or use physical contact. Then again, I am a nihilist.
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    Too much emphasis on intelligence will drive you into stupidity. It works best when you don't pay attention to it.
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    I don't think that anger derives from lack of intelligence. It all depends on the character of the person. Person will get angry if it thinks that it has a reason to gets angry. Some people gets mad easier, some people gets mad harder. It's not because of intelligence.
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    I don't think anger is directly tied to ignorance. I'm pretty educated and when someone cuts me off on the highway, I snap like the crowd at a poetry reading.

    I do think a person's character determines how they react to certain situations. Some kids, when learning difficult material, tend to get frustrated and respond by lashing out angrily. Some kids respond by trying new aproaches to the material.
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    according to an anger managment class..(seriously..it was the drugs..)

    anger does not exist by itself..
    it needs Frustration, sadness, loss, or <crap..i forgot the fourth one grief maybe?>.. i added Guilt to it..

    if you feel angry try to identify which it is that is causing the anger..for me it tends to be frustration..
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    Quote Originally Posted by TvEye View Post
    intelligent people are often intolerant of ignorance and they have a realistic worldview. The latter leaves folk wide open to depression and anger problems. Not to say all angry people are intelligent or vice versa. I just don't think they're related.
    I have to agree here. I mean, you wouldn't consider someone lacking in intelligence if they get angry when they see someone kick a puppy or punch a baby.Anger is simply an emotion that most animals experience. At least most mammals and I would guess birds... after all what else would inspire angry birds. Don't know if I would ever consider reptiles to have emotions. They don't even seem to get agitated. But then I don't have much experience with them. Maybe they do and I have just never properly observed it.

    I think what triggers anger in some people is more what indicates intelligence or at least the ability to think critically. But that probably isn't right either. I know plenty of people that can think critically 90% of the time. but that small 10% that they don't represents their hair trigger reactions to certain stimuli.

    I tend to get angry when I see certain faces, like Tom Cruise for instance. I don't know what it is about him but I just feel rage boiling up in me when I see him and he has had this affect on me since I was a child. Obviously, I don't know him personally, and when he did "Risky Business" and "Top Gun" he didn't have the reputation of being a complete nut job. Someone suggested to me that it could be because he grins so damned much, showing his teeth. But I don't get angry when other people show their teeth. So I have no idea what it is.

    Anger is more instinctual I think. Anger isn't something we have to learn, it comes naturally. We generally are taught to suppress it. Some cultures work to suppress it more than others. Anger is usually treated as if it is a destructive emotion. I don't see it that way. I think it is what it is, just an emotion, that can work for or against us depending on how we allow it to manifest itself.

    Perhaps the sign of intelligence is a person who knows how to avoid being controlled by their emotions and knows how to recognize when their emotions are getting the best of them or leading them down an irrational thought path.



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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Don't know if I would ever consider reptiles to have emotions. They don't even seem to get agitated. But then I don't have much experience with them. Maybe they do and I have just never properly observed it.
    Supposedly our emotion centres are located in our "reptilian brains", implying reptiles do have emotions. In fact, I am pretty sure emotion as a motivator to certain behaviours are pretty much ubiquitous among at least the chordates and maybe more rudimentary forms might be present in other animals with a degree of cephalisation.
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    The main connection between intelligence and anger is that those with intelligence can construct much better put downs.
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    Don't know if I would ever consider reptiles to have emotions. They don't even seem to get agitated. But then I don't have much experience with them. Maybe they do and I have just never properly observed it.
    Supposedly our emotion centres are located in our "reptilian brains", implying reptiles do have emotions. In fact, I am pretty sure emotion as a motivator to certain behaviours are pretty much ubiquitous among at least the chordates and maybe more rudimentary forms might be present in other animals with a degree of cephalisation.
    Maybe I just don't know how to piss off a snake. Never felt the need to do it or saw any benefit in it though so never bothered. Snakes that aren't hungry tend to get along with me pretty well.
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    I would have said : "Anger, triggered by a lack of control".

    But applied to a science forum, which is supposed to "derive" things out of intelligence, these things begin to equalize.

    Anger is a self afflicted state, where you get into easily if you think your are in control of other people belief and behavior.
    For me, any "discussion" mean that you'll enter a zone where you may endanger the very notions that allow you to be confident/in control of "reality"(at large).
    I have wrote it many time now, it is like o fight for me, but one for consolidating the "map of my idea connections" as described by Demen Tolden (post #17). To this day, it is my understanding of critical thinking.
    I also work daily with very intelligent people, many more then I. So I have that training of confrontation, and it is part of my tool to keep in control. We blow fuse quite regularly, but like in the kitchen, when the "dead lines" (crossing them never kills anybody BTW) or other external pressures, make 20 people working on a intricate software house of card quite touchy.

    Most angry peoples here are moderator, or troll. One because they cannot get rid of the others. A perfectly running perpetual anger machine, fueled on ego.
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    Most angry peoples here are moderator, or troll. One because they cannot get rid of the others. A perfectly running perpetual anger machine, fueled on ego.
    Of course one thing that has been known to make people angry, moderator, member, or casual lurker, is a misinterpretation of reality. Wouldn't you agree?
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    Or even, and especially, a misrepresentation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Of course one thing that has been known to make people angry, moderator, member, or casual lurker, is a misinterpretation of reality. Wouldn't you agree?
    Not only do I agree, but I also wrote it: "control of other people belief and behavior".
    This is a perfectly reversible point of view. Only weak theory are based on special/preferred frame of reference which decide what is true(right) or false(wrong). Strong theory prefer to agree that thing are or aren't.

    Like Demen Tolden, (and probably many others), I have the weak spot of thinking that the same reality may be described from any point of view...
    Big leap of faith, and proved wrong on a daily basis, yet I stubbornly continue.
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    Or even, and especially, a misrepresentation.
    Agreed, but I think it is too easy to ascribe malignant intent (i.e.misrepresentation) to instances that are actually due to incomptence (i.e. misinterpretation.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantime View Post
    Anger, derives from ...
    Strictly speaking, I have a pet theory that all negative emotions (anger, jealousy, ennui, embarrassment, fear, helplessness, etc) derive from the inability to deal with reality. Person A is smarter than you, or Person B is prettier than you, or your life's not exciting, or you're not successful, etc. Recognize it, own it, and deal with it.
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    Anger is more instinctual I think. Anger isn't something we have to learn, it comes naturally. We generally are taught to suppress it. Some cultures work to suppress it more than others. Anger is usually treated as if it is a destructive emotion. I don't see it that way. I think it is what it is, just an emotion, that can work for or against us depending on how we allow it to manifest itself.
    This rings very loud and annoying bells for me. Being a few decades older than you, I can remember when there was a lot of rubbishy amateur psychologising around the place, mostly based on Freudian confusions, that the best way to deal with anger was to "let it out". That suppressing your 'true' emotions was crippling your individual growth, that only brutal honesty was truly "authentic" - and lots of other cliche ridden garbage.

    I'm now quite satisfied that my own instinctive reaction to this - that it was profoundly wrong - is now seen as largely right. I saw such people as practising the expression of their anger and reinforcing it as their signature response to things that disturbed their equilibrium in some way. Brain plasticity is not our friend. Whatever we do most of we are likely to entrench as habit. So if people learn, somehow, to seek out flickers of anger in their reactions or their thinking and fan it into righteous rages and behave accordingly, they are practising and developing a propensity to anger. Of course, the same thing happens with people who feel that they are always right or always in the wrong or that the world is against them or lots of other unproductive ways of dealing with reality. Anger is a bit different though, because those other habits are largely damaging only to the person adopting those ways of seeing the world (until that person bores everyone rigid with stories about how they are hard done by).

    Anger has a direct and immediately negative impact on other people - not the best way to build relationships of affection, comfort and contentment where family and/ or friends feel able to rely on your emotional support or consistency. And if other people can't relax their words and behaviours around you, then they become less and less likely to conduct relationships in a way that reduces the potential for anger. Tension and anxiety about possible bad reactions from a member of a group or a family is not conducive to easiness in conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Anger is more instinctual I think. Anger isn't something we have to learn, it comes naturally. We generally are taught to suppress it. Some cultures work to suppress it more than others. Anger is usually treated as if it is a destructive emotion. I don't see it that way. I think it is what it is, just an emotion, that can work for or against us depending on how we allow it to manifest itself.
    This rings very loud and annoying bells for me. Being a few decades older than you, I can remember when there was a lot of rubbishy amateur psychologising around the place, mostly based on Freudian confusions, that the best way to deal with anger was to "let it out". That suppressing your 'true' emotions was crippling your individual growth, that only brutal honesty was truly "authentic" - and lots of other cliche ridden garbage.

    I'm now quite satisfied that my own instinctive reaction to this - that it was profoundly wrong - is now seen as largely right. I saw such people as practising the expression of their anger and reinforcing it as their signature response to things that disturbed their equilibrium in some way. Brain plasticity is not our friend. Whatever we do most of we are likely to entrench as habit. So if people learn, somehow, to seek out flickers of anger in their reactions or their thinking and fan it into righteous rages and behave accordingly, they are practising and developing a propensity to anger. Of course, the same thing happens with people who feel that they are always right or always in the wrong or that the world is against them or lots of other unproductive ways of dealing with reality. Anger is a bit different though, because those other habits are largely damaging only to the person adopting those ways of seeing the world (until that person bores everyone rigid with stories about how they are hard done by).

    Anger has a direct and immediately negative impact on other people - not the best way to build relationships of affection, comfort and contentment where family and/ or friends feel able to rely on your emotional support or consistency. And if other people can't relax their words and behaviours around you, then they become less and less likely to conduct relationships in a way that reduces the potential for anger. Tension and anxiety about possible bad reactions from a member of a group or a family is not conducive to easiness in conversation.

    I can see why it annoys you. But I don't think they were completely wrong. IMO, anger is a natural instinct, but learning to reinforce anger is the same as learning to suppress it. No one really knows what would happen if we were all left to our natural instincts. Because one of our instincts as a species is to live in communities. And living in communities means adapting behaviors that ingratiates us with that community, and in doing so, ensuring our survival. So learning to control anger, ie suppress it, is largely a survival instinct. But there are times when allowing anger to persist and influence our behavior is also conducive to survival. Consider a woman who is constantly beaten by her spouse or a parent who witnesses the abuse of their children. If they constantly suppress that anger, then they will not likely develop the motivation to take action to change the circumstances. Still in those situations you have to allow anger to build to a safe level. You certainly don't want it to drive you to murder, but it should drive you enough to fight back and find an escape. To protect the ones you love.

    I don't see emotions as negative or positive. Love can hurt as easily as anger or hate can. When love reaches the level of obsession and is directed at someone who rejects it, it can be harmful to an otherwise healthy friendship.

    I agree with you that "letting it out" as you describe is an irresponsible stance for any psychologist to take. Especially considering letting anger run our lives quite often will land you in jail in due time. I don't believe anyone should allow their emotions to have their way with them. Even if it is love. As they say, love can blind you. Think of all the times people get into a relationship with someone who is, to everyone outside the relationship, obviously very bad for them. The love they have for that person won't allow them to see clear warning signs of danger. Emotions in general are notorious for clouding judgement. But without them we become machines with little motivation to live. So we need emotions for the motivation they provide. We simply need more self awareness so that we can better recognize when our emotions are creating a false perception of reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    Anger has a direct and immediately negative impact on other people - not the best way to build relationships of affection, comfort and contentment where family and/ or friends feel able to rely on your emotional support or consistency.
    In a business setting my management style tends towards the democratic where I lay out a vision then provide freedom as to how we move towards achieving it. I therefore spend time consensus building and seeking to persuade rather than order.

    However, there are instances where subordinates have made a serious error and require to be disciplined. I don't get upset by those instances - I focus on correcting the error and ensuring the subordinate understands what they did wrong and how they can avoid it in future. Yet I there were occassion when it seems the subordinates expected me to be angry and almost demanded that I be so. On those occassion I learned to fake it. The result was a positive one, with the subordinate seemingly finding it easier to accept the correction tahn when it was delivered in a calm and objective manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    On those occassion I learned to fake it. The result was a positive one, ...
    Is it when you start using "frigging" ? Because, I found it frigging negative...

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    But in those instances I was trying to make you feel negative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    But in those instances I was trying to make you feel negative.
    That was not a particularly smart move, because the whole post turned negative, and by contrast it would just re-enforce the positive self absorbed snarkiness of your "opponent" (trying hard to maintain the conservation of feeling in the forum'o sphere)

    Or maybe it was, because finally, all those that stay in your frame of emotional frame of reference (faked or not), got the same impression.
    So I retract, it was indeed a sneaky smart move...
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    Every decision I had made when angry
    was a bad decision
    ...........
    to paraphrase George Washington:
    "good decisions come from wisdom
    wisdom comes from making bad decisions"
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Every decision I had made when angry
    was a bad decision
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    to paraphrase George Washington:
    "good decisions come from wisdom
    wisdom comes from making bad decisions"
    I don't wanna disagree with George Washington, but if that is certainly true, then with all the bad decisions I have made in my life, I should be revered as a freaking sage, and I am sure we can all agree that I am no sage. And I know plenty of people who constantly make bad decisions and they prove constantly to just be stupid. There are the people who make bad decisions and then blame other people, bad luck, or the devil for the consequences they suffer and they never ever manage to figure out that they are responsible for their own suffering.

    Wisdom seems to be from the ability to learn from the bad decisions they make.

    In my experience many things can inspire bad decisions, like, lack of accurate information, fear, insecurity, anger, love, stupidity,..... basically the imperfect nature of being human.
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    Frustration from being unable to figure something is but one of many sources of anger.

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    Ya George Washington was one of those smart enough to learn from his mistakes; a lot of people aren't or unwilling to do the review or soul searching to figure out what went wrong--the type that don't learn from their mistakes.
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    alternately phrased:

    If you ain't making no mistakes,
    congratulations, you've stagnated.
    If you ain't learning from your mistakes,
    congratulations, you've stagnated.
    ....................................
    or
    If you feel you're nearing "anger"
    may I recommend proceeding as one of my heroes, and a true "officer and gentleman"
    colonel Earl Ellsworth Hendricksen(a man who earned my undying respect)
    When someone had royally screwed up and pretended that "it wasn't his fault"
    Colonel Hendricksen would put his anger out in front of him, and (much as hamlet played with his insanity)
    control the anger rather than letting the anger control him.
    I saw him chewing out a major with what seemed to be unbridled anger, he then turned to another soldier, and politely ordered him to do something, then turned in "anger" to the screw-up, and finished chewing him out.

    If anger is imminent,
    push it out in front, and use it wisely
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    alternately phrased:

    If you ain't making no mistakes,
    congratulations, you've stagnated.
    If you ain't learning from your mistakes,
    congratulations, you've stagnated.
    ....................................
    or
    If you feel you're nearing "anger"
    may I recommend proceeding as one of my heroes, and a true "officer and gentleman"
    colonel Earl Ellsworth Hendricksen(a man who earned my undying respect)
    When someone had royally screwed up and pretended that "it wasn't his fault"
    Colonel Hendricksen would put his anger out in front of him, and (much as hamlet played with his insanity)
    control the anger rather than letting the anger control him.
    I saw him chewing out a major with what seemed to be unbridled anger, he then turned to another soldier, and politely ordered him to do something, then turned in "anger" to the screw-up, and finished chewing him out.

    If anger is imminent,
    push it out in front, and use it wisely
    My kids in the past said I scared them because I used to argue like that. Now I tend to just get real quiet when I am mad. My kids will tell you that as long as I am yelling, everyone is safe, once I go quiet, ... things happen.

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    File:Lövheim cube of emotion.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Says anger involves low serotonin (happiness), high noradrenaline (stress, with no similar effects to adrenaline) and high dopamine (motivation).

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    Yeah; most of the people I deal with every day are utter morons. What are you going to do about it?

    I guess its understandable for them to be gentically dumb, but what pisses me off is when oppurtunity to gain intellignece presents itself and they do not take it. I hate people who like to be stupid and ignorant..and hence create idiotic arguments with more intelligent people just because of their own self made ignorance!

    If they would just admit it, then I would feel allot better. Maybe then I could at least teach them on topics that their ignorant towards.
    I think a lot of people just don't care enough to gain intelligence, or don't care about the particular topic. Or their life sucks so much they would rather ignore their own ignorance. Don't hate people, if you were completely serious (which I don't think you were.) No matter how stupid or mean a person is, what's the point at getting mad? Having fun? Ruining an autistic kid's life? Maybe some people like anger because of the dopamine it produces.
    Sometimes the message anger sends has a purpose. Other than that, anger is a primative mechanism which has caused a lot of suffering.
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    I haven't had a legitimate bout of aggression in months. I may dislike an idea, though I never feel compelled to raise my voice or use physical contact. Then again, I am a nihilist.
    Me too. Maybe that's why I have that opinion of anger.
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    Maybe I just don't know how to piss off a snake. Never felt the need to do it or saw any benefit in it though so never bothered. Snakes that aren't hungry tend to get along with me pretty well.
    Snake emotions could have changed a lot since. Maybe they were less extreme, because there would have been less triggers.
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    I've screwed up, and it took a very long time to fix (multiple years.) You can fix big mistakes, but it will feel like re-wiring your brain. It's extremely difficult to fix some mistakes, but but the alternative is often more difficult.
    "It is the ability to make predictions about the future that is the crux of intelligence."
    -Jeff Hawkins.
    For example, you can predict that 3+5=8. You can predict what sequence of muscle commands you should generate during a conversation, or whether an object is a desk or a chair. The brain is very complicated, but that is essentially how intelligence works. Instinct, emotions, and behavior are somewhat seperate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NNet View Post
    I've screwed up, and it took a very long time to fix (multiple years.) You can fix big mistakes, but it will feel like re-wiring your brain. It's extremely difficult to fix some mistakes, but but the alternative is often more difficult.
    Sometimes "fixing" is nothing more than figuring out how to avoid making the same mistake again. And that is more often than not, the best any of us can do.
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