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    The decider is the ego

    Humans appear to be the only species of animal that has placed self-consciousness, in the form of what is called the ego, between animal instincts and animal behavior. That is, the ego interrupts the flow of instinct directly into action. The ego, the decider, says HALT, HOLD IT, to the force of instinct. Human action does not immediately follow instinct because the ego absorbs the energy of instinct.

    The ego is also a decider regarding all manner of things that might cause the creature to feel anxious. As the ego learns what causes anxiety it learns what inputs from both inside and outside the creature must be controlled. The ego becomes both the decider and the defender.

    In its role as defender the ego utilizes the mechanisms of denial, repression, and partialization. The latter represents the highest price that the creature pays for this defense against anxiety. The process of partialization limits the experience that the ego allows the creature to enjoy.

    “The ego, the unique “psychological organ” of the higher primates, develops by skewing perceptions and by limiting action.” Early in the infants life the “ego grows by a dispossession of the child’s own inner world. The mechanisms of defense are, after all, par excellence techniques of self-deception.”

    We often lament that “I can’t make him change his mind.” Why is it virtually impossible to change another’s mind? Often it is because the ego will not allow it. The ego recognizes that to change the mind in this matter is to lead to anxiety and thus the ego will not permit it to happen.

    THEY are not necessarily too stupid to change, just as WE are not necessarily too stupid to change. It may very well be that their ego and our ego will not permit the anxiety that will result from the change.


    Perhaps this is one reason for such strong anti-intellectualism and negative bias against psychology in America. The ego controls such things so as to reduce a cause for anxiety in the individual.


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    Perhaps this is one reason for such strong anti-intellectualism and negative bias against psychology in America.
    And the rest of the world. The only way to change this, is to get to children in the first 8 years of life while their personalities are still forming.

    The ego is a product of the higher primates' strong hierarchal struggle.


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    The ego is what drives this world. We are all greedy to survive, and the more we get, the happier we get.
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    Though our ignorance must surely be a by-product of our ego.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    Perhaps this is one reason for such strong anti-intellectualism and negative bias against psychology in America.
    And the rest of the world. The only way to change this, is to get to children in the first 8 years of life while their personalities are still forming.

    The ego is a product of the higher primates' strong hierarchal struggle.
    As I comprehend it humans alone have this self-consciousness which is the reason that the ego exists and is the reason that humans are the only animals that are not completely determined by instinct.
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    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
    I read lots of stuff and have yet to read from any author of consequence that they consider primates other than humans have self-consciousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
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    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
    I read lots of stuff and have yet to read from any author of consequence that they consider primates other than humans have self-consciousness.
    Consciousness is 100% element made, and all elements are time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
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    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
    I read lots of stuff and have yet to read from any author of consequence that they consider primates other than humans have self-consciousness.
    Consciousness is 100% element made, and all elements are time.
    ???
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    Yeh,, ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
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    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
    I read lots of stuff and have yet to read from any author of consequence that they consider primates other than humans have self-consciousness.
    I must assume that you consider all authors who believe primates are self conscious are themselves self deluded. I'll just start with the obvious one - Jane Goodall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    You don't think the higher primates have self-consciousness?
    I read lots of stuff and have yet to read from any author of consequence that they consider primates other than humans have self-consciousness.
    I must assume that you consider all authors who believe primates are self conscious are themselves self deluded. I'll just start with the obvious one - Jane Goodall.
    Where did you find this bit of information?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Where did you find this bit of information?
    From forty years of reading literature on primate behaviour. I suggest you read anything by Leakey's trio of Fossey, Goodall and Gadikas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Where did you find this bit of information?
    From forty years of reading literature on primate behaviour. I suggest you read anything by Leakey's trio of Fossey, Goodall and Gadikas.
    I doubt that I would find something that would support your statement.
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    Diane Fossy did research with gorillas (gorillas in the mist) and Jane Goodall with chimpanzees. They would certainly argue with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Where did you find this bit of information?
    From forty years of reading literature on primate behaviour. I suggest you read anything by Leakey's trio of Fossey, Goodall and Gadikas.
    I doubt that I would find something that would support your statement.
    Well, if you are so close minded that you wont bloody well look then you wont find anything! What bloody arrogance on your part! I'll leave you to simmer in your deluded perception of the nature of consciousness. I'm dropping out of this one.

    Kastler, Gadikas is the least known of the trio and worked on orang utans in Borneo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Where did you find this bit of information?
    From forty years of reading literature on primate behaviour. I suggest you read anything by Leakey's trio of Fossey, Goodall and Gadikas.
    I doubt that I would find something that would support your statement.
    Well, if you are so close minded that you wont bloody well look then you wont find anything! What bloody arrogance on your part! I'll leave you to simmer in your deluded perception of the nature of consciousness. I'm dropping out of this one.

    Kastler, Gadikas is the least known of the trio and worked on orang utans in Borneo.
    Become a popularizer. Read the works of the people you mention and start writing what you learn that fit your statements or you can modify your statements to be in accord with what you learn. Become a self-actualizing self-learner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Where did you find this bit of information?
    From forty years of reading literature on primate behaviour. I suggest you read anything by Leakey's trio of Fossey, Goodall and Gadikas.
    I doubt that I would find something that would support your statement.
    Well, if you are so close minded that you wont bloody well look then you wont find anything! What bloody arrogance on your part! I'll leave you to simmer in your deluded perception of the nature of consciousness. I'm dropping out of this one.

    Kastler, Gadikas is the least known of the trio and worked on orang utans in Borneo.
    Become a popularizer. Read the works of the people you mention and start writing what you learn that fit your statements or you can modify your statements to be in accord with what you learn. Become a self-actualizing self-learner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Become a self-actualizing self-learner.
    I already am, and have been for decades.
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    I think the decider if coberst is going to read any of the material, is his ego.
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