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  1. #1 Strange Thoughts... 
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    I've been thinking about two things...

    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.

    And the second thing...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are consetrating energy into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?

    Yes, I'm hoping for answers (if there is) ^^,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I've been thinking about two things...

    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.

    And the second thing...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are gathering energy togheter to a point where everything is consetrated into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?

    Yes, I'm hoping for answers (if there is) ^^,
    There really can't be any nothing mathematically, since nothing, that needs zero length in all directions, either need directions or limits in directions, and neither is nothing.

    The black holes (i see you are inspired) will become one mass in the slow pace that I have mentioned before. So was there a singularity, with infinite mass in the beginning or, well where do my last argument lead you in my other thread?


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
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    I've been thinking about two things...

    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.

    And the second thing...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are gathering energy togheter to a point where everything is consetrated into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?

    Yes, I'm hoping for answers (if there is) ^^,
    There really can't be any nothing mathematically, since nothing, that needs zero length in all directions, either need directions or limits in directions, and neither is nothing.

    The black holes (i see you are inspired) will become one mass in the slow pace that I have mentioned before. So was there a singularity, with infinite mass in the beginning or, well where do my last argument lead you in my other thread?
    I'm always inspired by science

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    My mind shall try and comprehend these things as it looks into it
    Thanks for the answer :wink:
    The reason for red shift is possibly that old matter has compareably less mass, and release light with lower frequency, and the galaxies are actually moving towards eachother.

    Though that was all a mind experiment.
    All galaxies are moving towards eachother?

    Then how about my thought here:

    Strange Thoughts...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are consetrating energy into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?
    Has it allready been thought of perhaps?
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    Has it allready been thought of perhaps?
    It is a very popular model. But to be honest, whatever that cause frequency, can never be negative, the linear process is positive and then the masses will continue to quantum fusion.

    The big bang theory is all based on redshift, but the truth is that electrons and protons 13 billion lightyears away, have quantum fusioned 13% of what our protons and electrons have. They have 13 procent of the mass.

    So they should not look on the frequency of the light, they should look on the change of the frequency of the light.

    Cause then you'll see the blueshifting. The one caused by the increasing speed of the galaxies.

    The quantas of the atom over there should be not that hard to find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.
    Here's a thread I started about nothing awhile back, so you can check it out... http://www.thescienceforum.com/Nothi...10d20d23e9036d
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemboy
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.
    Here's a thread I started about nothing awhile back, so you can check it out... http://www.thescienceforum.com/Nothi...10d20d23e9036d
    Hey! Thanks for showing me this. So... I would like to try and turn around the discussion of nothing into a larger scale :wink:

    How about everything outside the universe, and outside that (if there is something outside the universe). Would there be nothing beyond our universe?

    Or is our universe everything in some way, and there's nothing beyond it? :-D

    (nothing is defined nothing. Meaning that there is indeed nothing)

    And also a wierd question... What color is nothing?
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    Things with no rules are something.
    Things with rules are something.
    Things with neither are contradictive.

    It began with rules, then there was no rules and the end is contradictive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I've been thinking about two things...

    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.

    And the second thing...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are consetrating energy into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?

    Yes, I'm hoping for answers (if there is) ^^,

    Wake up.

    The closer you look at something else, the more you forget about yorself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Things with no rules are something.
    Things with rules are something.
    Things with neither are contradictive.

    It began with rules, then there was no rules and the end is contradictive.
    I'm a little unsure about what you mean. How does this affect the possible nothingness outside of our universe?

    Nothing (outside the universe) around something (our universe) is something. But nothing is still nothing when nothing is in the nothing.

    ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Things with no rules are something.
    Things with rules are something.
    Things with neither are contradictive.

    It began with rules, then there was no rules and the end is contradictive.
    I'm a little unsure about what you mean. How does this affect the possible nothingness outside of our universe?

    Nothing (outside the universe) around something (our universe) is something. But nothing is still nothing when nothing is in the nothing.

    ?

    If nothing has rules or no rules then it is something hence not nothing, if not it is contradictive.

    If you travelled to the end of the universe, velocity v, v would become zero since nothing has no continuum. but the acceleration would remain, in other words, it could be quite devastating for a spaceship. Just like the wave in a string vibrating in vacuum, (the wave being the spaceship and the string being space, valid explanation given that all is waves, read about particle wave duality) the vibration would not escape the string, but turn back as if th end of it wasn't there. Unfortunately, the spaceship is not only one wave, first in first out gives that all crash, and then there would be an explosion and then everything would go back to normal, vivid explanation of what we see at the end of the universe, as if the limit was drawing closer. You know my theory on that, obviously.
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    there is no "outside" of the universe. if you go in a spaceship away from earth in a "straight" line, you would end up back at earth. the universe behaves a bit like a huge black hole in that sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KALSTER
    there is no "outside" of the universe. if you go in a spaceship away from earth in a "straight" line, you would end up back at earth. the universe behaves a bit like a huge black hole in that sense.
    No, it doesn't.
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    No, it doesn't.

    what i mean is you would never encounter an "end"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    I've been thinking about two things...

    Is there Everything and Nothing, or is it just Everything? Can we prove that nothing exist? Because the closer we look, the more we seem to find.

    And the second thing...

    Is it possible that all the black holes are consetrating energy into one point (like in the big bang theory) and then cause a big bang again? That the universe is repeating a big bang over and over again?

    Yes, I'm hoping for answers (if there is) ^^,

    Everything being nothing...........

    Very zen.

    Very very zen.

    More to that, very "zero and infinity "as one"".

    You are looking for the mathematical envelope that connects all things.

    Can I entice you more with such venom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Quote Originally Posted by Obviously
    Quote Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly
    Things with no rules are something.
    Things with rules are something.
    Things with neither are contradictive.

    It began with rules, then there was no rules and the end is contradictive.
    I'm a little unsure about what you mean. How does this affect the possible nothingness outside of our universe?

    Nothing (outside the universe) around something (our universe) is something. But nothing is still nothing when nothing is in the nothing.

    ?

    If nothing has rules or no rules then it is something hence not nothing, if not it is contradictive.

    If you travelled to the end of the universe, velocity v, v would become zero since nothing has no continuum. but the acceleration would remain, in other words, it could be quite devastating for a spaceship. Just like the wave in a string vibrating in vacuum, (the wave being the spaceship and the string being space, valid explanation given that all is waves, read about particle wave duality) the vibration would not escape the string, but turn back as if th end of it wasn't there. Unfortunately, the spaceship is not only one wave, first in first out gives that all crash, and then there would be an explosion and then everything would go back to normal, vivid explanation of what we see at the end of the universe, as if the limit was drawing closer. You know my theory on that, obviously.
    Ah, ok I get it now
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    I can't make up my mind, was nothing, but since it had no rules have no rules it naturally becomes something instantly possibly, something with rules.
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    To travel to nothing, you have made it something.

    To locate nothing, you have found the edge of the universe.

    An edge is something. The vacuum of space is something.

    What you would find is not nothing, but "an expanse that is located outside of space/time". Since you can define it and locate it, it is something.

    If there really is nothing somewhere, or rather nowhere, then we could never get to it, or else it would be something.

    I’m rambling, but hopefully making sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lamb.charlie
    I’m rambling, but hopefully making sense.
    you are making more sense than StreeaSystems, but I don't want this to go to your head.
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    sometimes our ramblings and rantings make the most sense...or at least hopefully lend some conclusion.
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